Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[RandomGuy96]

It was never really suggested that Goku's power had dropped before he used the kaio-ken x3. You'd think something like that would be noted. So I just think that Vegeta shrugged off that kaio-ken x3 beat down where he was at a 33% disadvantage because... well, he's survived worse.

[Mjb1985]

Goku mentions it. He says it right before Vegeta unleashes the Galick Gun.

[Rocketman]

I just like Vegeta being insanely durable.

[Mjb1985]

Insanely durable and insanely high amplification? 3x or so?

[Rocketman]

Don't give a shit about "amplification".

[Mjb1985]

I don't blame you. Ki blasts are ridiculously inconsistent and more of a pain to try to figure out than anything. Maybe I should follow your lead and abandon all hope on trying to address them logically.

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't blame you. Ki blasts are ridiculously inconsistent and more of a pain to try to figure out than anything. Maybe I should follow your lead and abandon all hope on trying to address them logically.

Makes my day a lot easier

[RandomGuy96]

Question: does Freeza experience any physical changes when going to 70% power? Do his muscles grow? Does his aura change? Does he tire out easier?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Question: does Freeza experience any physical changes when going to 70% power? Do his muscles grow? Does his aura change? Does he tire out easier?

I gains a little bulk from what I noticed but nothing that would hinder him in any way.

[RandomGuy96]

Thanks. I'm likening Freeza's species' forms (and Perfect Cell's power ups) to the Super Saiyan forms and I'm not sure if their bulked out state is equivalent to Grade II or Grade III. I'm leaning towards:

50% = Grade I (natural max)
70% = Grade II (x1.4)
100% = Grade III (x2)
Fifth Form = Super Saiyan 2 (x4)

Just something I was interested in. Then again the bulked out form can also be Grade II, not Grade III, with the 70% form being the normal Super Saiyan, because:

-No speed loss.
-Stamina doesn't seem to drain as fast as Grade III.
-The boost is nearly identical (x1.5) to what a lot of people have for Grade II.
-Both forms have a similar increase in muscle mass.

In which case I'd change the fifth form multiplier to x3. As in, x3 the 70% power. Twice as good as the bulked out form.

No, I don't know why I have a need to liken everything to the Super Saiyan forms.

[Victorious]

Don't give a shit about "amplification".

"Amplification" definitely exists though. See warm up Cell vs Super Vegeta.

Cell tanks a kick to the head from Vegeta, but then gets obliterated by the Final Flash.

Vegeta's Final Flash >>> Cell >>> Vegeta's physical attacks


Same thing happened with Raditz and Piccolo, etc.

[Kaboom]

Sure, it exists, but not everybody cares enough to work out specific multipliers for each attack and fuss over how that'd potentially effect the standard levels of the people tossing the attacks around. I know I don't.

[Mjb1985]

Yea I don't like using the numbers for amplified blasts the 2.22x stuff makes things really crazy. Ki amplification defense is a good option but my main thing is that their amplified blasts get progressively stronger. To which many reply that they are too strong because of the 2.22x boost which is why I avoid that number.

[Rocketman]

Vegeta's Final Flash greater than greater than greater than Cell greater than greater than greater than Vegeta's physical attacks

I thought the whole gamefaqs ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>" shit was taboo here.

[Mjb1985]

Vic any possibility Cell was trolling Vegeta?

[Victorious]

Vegeta's Final Flash greater than greater than greater than Cell greater than greater than greater than Vegeta's physical attacks

I thought the whole gamefaqs ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>" shit was taboo here.

It's back in style with me around.

[Victorious]

Vic any possibility Cell was trolling Vegeta?

Cell was trolling Vegeta about what?

You mean maybe lowering his power to get wrecked by a blast, just to show off regeneration and troll Vegeta? I don't think so.

I think he felt the blast would be strong [around his level of power] then it was way stronger than what he expected and got wrecked. Then after he got wrecked and he shook off the pain of the burn and pretended he was ruined, but then was like "gotcha" and regenerated.

[Godo]

Vegeta's Final Flash greater than greater than greater than Cell greater than greater than greater than Vegeta's physical attacks

I thought the whole gamefaqs ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>" shit was taboo here.

It's back in style with me around.

If you are not going to take your time to write posts correctly, I am not going to take my time reading them.

Unless you want to provide me with a precise guide to how much one ">" is worth compared with ">>" and ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>".
And in that case, I want numbers, because those symbols are math symbols, not ones to use in the English languages.
And if you provide numbers, I would like to see some formula how to convert them to the fictional facts.

And also, does one ">" measure the same amount between all members here using them? What about ">>"? Or ">>>"?
Are you basing them on powerlevels, or specific strength attributes (as in, physical strength, defense, attack, ki, special techniques)? I mean, just using symbols like that doesn't elaborate on your opinion, does it? It just says "I think this" and nothing more.

Unless there is some kind of agreed formula to use those signs so that we can look at different "equations" of users, and clear-cut rules to this newly created language, I call laziness, and posts like that are not worth my time.

[Kamiccolo9]

If you are not going to take your time to write posts correctly, I am not going to take my time reading them.

Unless you want to provide me with a precise guide to how much one ">" is worth compared with ">>" and ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>".
And in that case, I want numbers, because those symbols are math symbols, not ones to use in the English languages.
And if you provide numbers, I would like to see some formula how to convert them to the fictional facts.

And also, does one ">" measure the same amount between all members here using them? What about ">>"? Or ">>>"?
Are you basing them on powerlevels, or specific strength attributes (as in, physical strength, defense, attack, ki, special techniques)? I mean, just using symbols like that doesn't elaborate on your opinion, does it? It just says "I think this" and nothing more.

Unless there is some kind of agreed formula to use those signs so that we can look at different "equations" of users, and clear-cut rules to this newly created language, I call laziness, and posts like that are not worth my time.

Bravo sir.

[RandomGuy96]

Ki amplification on the level of the Kamehameha at the beginnng of the series does indeed make later feats impossible and also unnecessarily bloats power levels. I find that the best way to do this is just to consider that one Super Kamehameha an outlier. It makes every blast before and after it look like shit. For example, Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon takes 5 minutes for x3.5 amplification while the Kamehameha only took a few seconds for x2.22 amplification. Vegeta's Final Flash has to be charged a shitload to take out someone who is not even twice as strong as him. Yamachas's Kamehameha fails to one shot a Saibaman. Goku's Kamehameha at the tournament did shit to Piccolo. Gohan's first Kamehameha didn't disintegrate Cell. Et cetera.

Charged blasts are still obviously stronger than their user. But not THAT much stronger. I only give most blasts around x1.3 to x2 amplification. It works pretty well. The exceptions are the extremely long and impractical attacks like Final Flash.

Actually, now that I think about, how long DID Goku spend charging up that Kamehameha against Raditz? If you want you can assume that was a Super Kamehameha and therefore amplified more than most blasts in the series. You can make a "tier" of amplified blasts like:

Tier 1: Galick Gun, Kamehameha (x1.8, x1.5)

Tier 2: Super Kamehameha, Light Grenade (x.2.22, x2)

Tier 3: Final Flash, Special Beam Cannon (x3.5, x3)

...with each blast being stronger than the last, but also much more impractical due to energy drain and especially charge time.