Lord Beerus wrote:
If Goku eliminates all of the Pride Troopers apart from Dyspo, Toppo and Jiren stood by and did nothing to prevent it... I have to question his character. Just like I did in the anime.
It could be happening in the other side of the ring my speculation is that Jiren is having a dilema,he doesn't want to take out anyone or he is a jerk.
Lord Beerus wrote:
Is that legit? Because if so, U7 will steamroll everyone again.
This remind me of U9 for some reason did the chapter ended like that,this is could be the manga excuse of having Jiren hate Goku,we will see how this turn out.
If Goku eliminates all of the Pride Troopers apart from Dyspo, Toppo and Jiren stood by and did nothing to prevent it... I have to question his character. Just like I did in the anime.
To be fair, in the anime it's made clear that Jiren doesn't like being relied on.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
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HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Lord Beerus wrote:
Is that legit? Because if so, U7 will steamroll everyone again.
This remind me of U9 for some reason did the chapter ended like that,this is could be the manga excuse of having Jiren hate Goku,we will see how this turn out.
If Goku eliminates all of the Pride Troopers apart from Dyspo, Toppo and Jiren stood by and did nothing to prevent it... I have to question his character. Just like I did in the anime.
They don't get ringed out, but looks like he fights them all by himself.
The gr wrote:
This remind me of U9 for some reason did the chapter ended like that,this is could be the manga excuse of having Jiren hate Goku,we will see how this turn out.
If Goku eliminates all of the Pride Troopers apart from Dyspo, Toppo and Jiren stood by and did nothing to prevent it... I have to question his character. Just like I did in the anime.
They don't get ringed out, but looks like he fights them all by himself.
Goku fighting seven fighters on his own is something that didn't even happen in the anime.
Also, why do I get the feeling that Toriyama specified how many fighters Universe 7 would eliminate?
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
From what I've heard and seen I'm liking how the manga version of the TOP is playing out so far. Only thing I'm not to keen on is Goku vs the pride troopers. Not that I don't like me some 1 vs many fights, just I'll be a bit annoyed if they all get taken out by Goku. Not going to say that their treatment in the anime was any better but atleast it had some other characters fighting them. And if they do all get taken out by Goku I just gotta wonder why Toppo and Dyspo and just sitting around. It was bad enough that they pulled that stunt in the anime version so it'll annoy me if they do it again here.
perucho1990 wrote:The whole overthrowing the Gods stuff was Toei filler for the looks of it.
Filler or not, I still prefer the anime's take. Freeza gain nothing by still keeping his grudge against the Saiyans.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
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Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Lord Beerus wrote:
If Goku eliminates all of the Pride Troopers apart from Dyspo, Toppo and Jiren stood by and did nothing to prevent it... I have to question his character. Just like I did in the anime.
They don't get ringed out, but looks like he fights them all by himself.
Goku fighting seven fighters on his own is something that didn't even happen in the anime.
Also, why do I get the feeling that Toriyama specified how many fighters Universe 7 would eliminate?
Wow I'm surprised to see him fighting right off the bat but I'm glad that he's not just gonna stand around and do nothing until the half way point like in the anime. Liking how the manga is handling the start of the tournament more so than the anime, hopefully it doesn't fall apart.
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Jiren....doing something? He really is a different Jiren XD
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
That's awesome! I hope the top 3 Pride Troopers are more active in the manga. Something I hated about the anime was how it felt like there were so many background filler battles that show two characters exchanging blows and end without an elimination or conclusion. If we cut those out, I think it wouldve really helped with the pacing in the anime.
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
my speculation is that Jiren is having a dilema,he doesn't want to take out anyone or he is a jerk.did the chapter ended like that,this is could be the manga excuse of having Jiren hate Goku,we will see how this turn out.
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