The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Galan007]

Buu was not fighting seriously with Gotenks; If Buu wanted he could win.

You could argue that Boo wasn't trying to *kill* Gotenks. However, IF Boo was capable of overpowering/incapacitating Gotenks any time he wanted, he would have certainly done so... Instead of, you know, 'allowing' Gotenks to smack him around whilst becoming visible enraged.

IMO.

[Captain Space]

Buu was not fighting seriously with Gotenks; If Buu wanted he could win.

If anything, I got the opposite impression. Buu was being run ragged when Gotenks went SSJ3, and only gained momentary advantages through surprise or Gotenks dropping his guard due to cockiness. Look at the state Buu's in when Gotenks defuses; Buu's half-dead and quite frankly, terrified. Gotenks, who's just fine, is moments away from finishing him off.

(I can't find a screenshot and I don't want to link to a scanlation since that's against the rules here, but hopefully you know what I'm talking about.)

[AvatarReiko]

Even if Buu were holding back or just dragging the fight out, why would he allow himself to get beaten to a pulp?

[Galan007]

*Speed Equalized*

1.) USSJ Vegeta + USSJ Goku vs. SSJ2 Gohan.
2.) USSJ Vegeta + USSJ Goku + USSJ Trunks vs. SSJ2 Gohan.

*Cell saga iterations.

[Doctor.]

*Speed Equalized*

1.) USSJ Vegeta + USSJ Goku vs. SSJ2 Gohan.
2.) USSJ Vegeta + USSJ Goku + USSJ Trunks vs. SSJ2 Gohan.

*Cell saga iterations.

I personally think the MSS multiplier is the same as Grade 3, so Gohan would be stronger than those fighters in his normal MSS form, and more than twice as strong in SS2. So, even if their speed is the same, they wouldn't have the power to fight back. Even if you disagree with my theory and think the Grade 3 multiplier is superior to the MSS multiplier, Cell Games Gohan was still much, much stronger than Goku, Vegeta or Trunks at that point.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

*Speed Equalized*

1.) USSJ Vegeta + USSJ Goku vs. SSJ2 Gohan.
2.) USSJ Vegeta + USSJ Goku + USSJ Trunks vs. SSJ2 Gohan.

*Cell saga iterations.

Gohan would win both matches rather easily in my opinion. I personally see Grade 3's power as relegating into FPSS' power (but keeping the 50x multiplier) so it would be inaccessible for any of the Saiyans at the Cell Games. But even applying the same multiplier I use for Trunks in the Perfect Cell saga, I still think Gohan would have enough of a power advantage to win all of these matches.

[ahill1]

Buu was not fighting seriously with Gotenks; If Buu wanted he could win.

You could argue that Boo wasn't trying to *kill* Gotenks. However, IF Boo was capable of overpowering/incapacitating Gotenks any time he wanted, he would have certainly done so... Instead of, you know, 'allowing' Gotenks to smack him around whilst becoming visible enraged.

IMO.

Agreed.

[supercat]

*Speed Equalized*

1.) USSJ Vegeta + USSJ Goku vs. SSJ2 Gohan.
2.) USSJ Vegeta + USSJ Goku + USSJ Trunks vs. SSJ2 Gohan.

*Cell saga iterations.

Gohan blitzes through both of those matches without batting an eye. While Grade 3 wields massive amounts of raw strength, I doubt the transformation has anything on the Mastered Super Saiyan even in its own area of expertise. A number of different clues and instances have convinced me that MSSJ Goku had Trunks beat in all categories, including strength. Therefore, even with equal speed, the muscle-bound metamorphosis is unlikely to give the user a winning chance against it's ascended counterpart.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Android saga Piccolo vs. Yardrat SS Goku + Trunks saga SS Trunks

[Captain Space]

Android saga Piccolo vs. Yardrat SS Goku + Trunks saga SS Trunks

I'm not sure who I'd say is stronger honestly, but even if Piccolo is stronger I don't think it's by too much. So the Super Saiyans.

[supercat]

Android saga Piccolo vs. Yardrat SS Goku + Trunks saga SS Trunks

While Piccolo's phenomenal gains did grant him the power to give Gero the beating of his life, I doubt either one of the two were that much stronger than Frieza, let alone Goku (Namek).

Frieza - 120 million
SSJ Goku (Namek) - 150 million
Gero - 140 million
Piccolo (Android arc) - 160 million (possibly 180 million given the fact that he felt he could take on foes that gave Future Trunks a thrashing)
Trunks - 170-175 million
Yardrat Goku - 180 million

[LonelyShadow]

*Speed Equalized*

1.) USSJ Vegeta + USSJ Goku vs. SSJ2 Gohan.
2.) USSJ Vegeta + USSJ Goku + USSJ Trunks vs. SSJ2 Gohan.

*Cell saga iterations.

I always had them like this:
SSJ2 Gohan > Bulky Cell > Perfect Cell > FPSSJ Gohan and Goku > USSJ Trunks > 2nd Grade SSJ Vegeta and Trunks > The Farmer.

I'm sure that Gohan wins very easily.

Android saga Piccolo vs. Yardrat SS Goku + Trunks saga SS Trunks

If this is regular Piccolo, he loses, he didn't show any signs of being stronger than a Super Saiyan after training with Goku without the help of Kami, but I think that he was close to that league of power.

[dbzfan7]

*Speed Equalized*

1.) USSJ Vegeta + USSJ Goku vs. SSJ2 Gohan.
2.) USSJ Vegeta + USSJ Goku + USSJ Trunks vs. SSJ2 Gohan.

*Cell saga iterations.

DB era: Gohan has no problem handling them all as Full Power Cell is also much stronger than them, and Gohan could oneshot FP Cell if he wanted to.

Neo DB era: Gohan trips or he gets dust in his eye. He's then proceeded to be knocked out.

[supercat]

Haven't posted one of these in awhile, but here goes!

Frieza's first three forms (post training) - Gauntlet:

Super Perfect Cell
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Kid Buu
Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan
SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc)

My answers:
First Form Frieza effortlessly climbs all the way up to Super Buu / SSJ3 Gotenks, and either goes down after a long fight, or barely advances and gets crushed by Ultimate Gohan. On the contrary, I will add that it's quite plausible for even this form of Frieza to sit a few notches above Ultimate Gohan, as I'm sure a remark about the latter being able to win during his peak would have been elicited if that weren't the case.

Second Form Frieza should be a notch or two higher than Buutenks, and at around the same level as Buuhan at the least, if not a tad bit stronger. That said, if Frieza's first form truly does possess the strength to trounce Ultimate Gohan, his second form should be able to casually trump Buuhan with little to no difficulty.

Third Form Frieza should be able to give SSJ Vegetto an exceptional fight.

Final Form Frieza would incinerate everyone on that list in the blink of an eye.

Here's one for a good laugh:

Peter Griffin and Ernie vs Goku (Beginning of Dragon Ball)

[Sayo-chan]

Haven't posted one of these in awhile, but here goes!

Freeza's first three forms (post training) - Gauntlet:

Super Perfect Cell
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Kid Buu
Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan
SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc)

Freeza repeatedly fails to kill Cell, who in turns receives enough zenkais to win effortlessly, thus not involving the latter characters. After all's said and done, Boo absorbs Gohan and Vegetto throws a party in honor of Boohan's return.

[supercat]

Haven't posted one of these in awhile, but here goes!

Freeza's first three forms (post training) - Gauntlet:

Super Perfect Cell
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Kid Buu
Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan
SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc)

Freeza repeatedly fails to kill Cell, who in turns receives enough zenkais to win effortlessly, thus not involving the latter characters. After all's said and done, Boo absorbs Gohan and Vegetto throws a party in honor of Boohan's return.

How would Frieza fail to kill Cell? Yes, Gohan did regress, but I honestly doubt a power level that falls below SSJ2-tier would instill that much fear into someone who once wielded Super Buu-crushing strength.

Also, I doubt Cell has a limitless supply of Zenkais just waiting to be used. The overall efficacy of the once sought out process of damage and repair was pretty darn trivial after the introduction of Super Saiyans. There's no reason for Cell be an exception to this.

[Lord Beerus]

Haven't posted one of these in awhile, but here goes!

Freeza's first three forms (post training) - Gauntlet:

Super Perfect Cell
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Kid Buu
Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan
SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc)

First Form Freeza doesn't make it past Majin Buu
Second Form Freeza make progress until he takes on Super Buu, who stomps him
Thrid Form Freeza clear most of the list effortlessly but then hits a brick wall at Buuhan, who one shots the tyrant
Final Form Freeza stomps everyone on the list

[Sayo-chan]

Haven't posted one of these in awhile, but here goes!

Freeza's first three forms (post training) - Gauntlet:

Super Perfect Cell
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Kid Buu
Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan
SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc)

Freeza repeatedly fails to kill Cell, who in turns receives enough zenkais to win effortlessly, thus not involving the latter characters. After all's said and done, Boo absorbs Gohan and Vegetto throws a party in honor of Boohan's return.

How would Freeza fail to kill Cell? Yes, Gohan did regress, but I honestly doubt a power level that falls below SSJ2-tier would instill that much fear into someone who once wielded Super Buu-crushing strength.

Also, I doubt Cell has a limitless supply of Zenkais just waiting to be used. The overall efficacy of the once sought out process of damage and repair was pretty darn trivial after the introduction of Super Saiyans. There's no reason for Cell be an exception to this.

Because Freeza's incompetent and unaware of Cell's ability to regenerate, and never comes to the conclusion that he has the ability until it's too late.

Uh, but Cell is the exception, it's outright stated he received a zenkai that made up the power difference between he and Gohan. Zenkais were useless to the Saiyans by the Cell arc, but Cell, whose base battle power easily trumps the Saiyans' received one that gave him a massive increase. This leads me to the conclusion, like his regeneration, his zenkais are better.

I should also note that Cell isn't invited to the afterparty because Vegetto harbors negative feelings towards him.

[RandomGuy96]

Haven't posted one of these in awhile, but here goes!

Freeza's first three forms (post training) - Gauntlet:

Super Perfect Cell
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Kid Buu
Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan
SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc)

His 1st form gets splattered by Cell. Roshi bothering to ask if they had a chance against him suggests he wasn't literally hundreds of times stronger than their strongest teammate, and that's really all we have for him other than him being way stronger than SS Gohan. Absolutely nothing suggests he's King Shit. Also, none of his first three forms should be above Majin Buu, as Freeza went to his final form immediately when confronting Goku, and all he knew about Goku was that Goku could defeat Majin Buu.

His 2nd form defeats Cell easily, but gets taken down by Fat Buu's suppressed power level against Vegeta, after a hard fight.

His 3rd form easily defeats the suppressed Fat Buu, but is then splattered when Fat Buu powers up. Goku need not be involved.

His 4th form smashes his way through Fat Buu and SS3 Goku, but meets a serious challenge at SS3 Gotenks, and is then smashed himself by Ultimate Gohan.

His hypothetical 100% bulky form would defeat Gohan before being defeated by Buutenks, after a tough fight.

[supercat]

How would Freeza fail to kill Cell? Yes, Gohan did regress, but I honestly doubt a power level that falls below SSJ2-tier would instill that much fear into someone who once wielded Super Buu-crushing strength.

Also, I doubt Cell has a limitless supply of Zenkais just waiting to be used. The overall efficacy of the once sought out process of damage and repair was pretty darn trivial after the introduction of Super Saiyans. There's no reason for Cell be an exception to this.

Because Freeza's incompetent and unaware of Cell's ability to regenerate, and never comes to the conclusion that he has the ability until it's too late.

Uh, but Cell is the exception, it's outright stated he received a zenkai that made up the power difference between he and Gohan. Zenkais were useless to the Saiyans by the Cell arc, but Cell, whose base battle power easily trumps the Saiyans' received one that gave him a massive increase. This leads me to the conclusion, like his regeneration, his zenkais are better.

I should also note that Cell isn't invited to the afterparty because Vegetto harbors negative feelings towards him.

Yes, Frieza does have a track record of making emotionally influenced decisions that ended up costing him, but there would be no room for error here, as any ki blast would probably incinerate every last one of Cell's cells.

Furthermore, Frieza had enough sense to promptly eliminate Dende, so it's pretty unlikely he would just sit around and fall victim to Cell's scheming tactics.

Just because the biological android saw an increase in power after recovering from his own explosion, doesn't automatically mean he'll always come back as a new and improved version of himself after every injury. How do we know he'll have that kind of luxury on an ongoing basis? Regardless, the amount of times he would need to go through that whole cycle to come even remotely close to Frieza-tier would be mind-boggling. By the second or third round of recovery, the tyrant would get bored and go straight for the kill.

His 1st form gets splattered by Cell. Roshi bothering to ask if they had a chance against him suggests he wasn't literally hundreds of times stronger than their strongest teammate, and that's really all we have for him other than him being way stronger than SS Gohan. Absolutely nothing suggests he's King Shit. Also, none of his first three forms should be above Majin Buu, as Freeza went to his final form immediately when confronting Goku, and all he knew about Goku was that Goku could defeat Majin Buu.

His 2nd form defeats Cell easily, but gets taken down by Fat Buu's suppressed power level against Vegeta, after a hard fight.

His 3rd form easily defeats the suppressed Fat Buu, but is then splattered when Fat Buu powers up. Goku need not be involved.

His 4th form smashes his way through Fat Buu and SS3 Goku, but meets a serious challenge at SS3 Gotenks, and is then smashed himself by Ultimate Gohan.

His hypothetical 100% bulky form would defeat Gohan before being defeated by Buutenks, after a tough fight.

How could Final Form Frieza possibly be weaker than Ultimate Gohan? If Gohan was that powerful during his Super Buu-crushing days, don't you think he would have taken the time to kick himself for neglecting his training?

Also, Piccolo immediately told Roshi that they were leagues apart. The old master probably asked that question because he wasn't sure if Gohan or Piccolo still had some latent power they had not yet shown.