TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Okay. Here you guys go. Spoilered because of size, not for content. If you're in here, you know the risks. =P
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The description of Episode 52 is fucking meta. Toei are just yanking the chain of Gohan's fanbase so damn much. I love it.
I'm very excited at the prospect of Vegeta training Future Trunks. Perhaps he's gonna give him the same tips or training methods that he received from Whis that lead to him becoming a SSJB. We can only hope this leads to some kind of progression for Future Trunks in some fashion. Or at the very least, it will explore and hopefully even develop the relationship between Vegeta and Future Trunks.
I'm also very intrigued with Goku vs Zamasu potentially happening. I hope Zamasu doesn't turn into what Kaioshin turned out to be, and his aura of mystique remain throughout his appearances in the show.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Okay. Here you guys go. Spoilered because of size, not for content. If you're in here, you know the risks. =P
[spoiler] [/spoiler]
The description of Episode 52 is fucking meta. Toei are just yanking the chain of Gohan's fanbase so damn much. I love it.
I'm very excited at the prospect of Vegeta training Future Trunks. Perhaps he's gonna give him the same tips or training methods that he received from Whis that lead to him becoming a SSJB. We can only hope this leads to some kind of progression for Future Trunks in some fashion. Or at the very least, it will explore and hopefully even develop the relationship between Vegeta and Future Trunks.
I'm also very intrigued with Goku vs Zamasu potentially happening. I hope Zamasu doesn't turn into what Kaioshin turned out to be, and his aura of mystique remain throughout his appearances in the show.
A Kai that doesn't suck? Ha, that'll be the day.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Okay. Here you guys go. Spoilered because of size, not for content. If you're in here, you know the risks. =P
[spoiler] [/spoiler]
The description of Episode 52 is fucking meta. Toei are just yanking the chain of Gohan's fanbase so damn much. I love it.
I'm very excited at the prospect of Vegeta training Future Trunks. Perhaps he's gonna give him the same tips or training methods that he received from Whis that lead to him becoming a SSJB. We can only hope this leads to some kind of progression for Future Trunks in some fashion. Or at the very least, it will explore and hopefully even develop the relationship between Vegeta and Future Trunks.
I'm also very intrigued with Goku vs Zamasu potentially happening. I hope Zamasu doesn't turn into what Kaioshin turned out to be, and his aura of mystique remain throughout his appearances in the show.
A Kai that doesn't suck? Ha, that'll be the day.
A man can dream. I will say this, if Goku and Zamasu actually legitimately duke it out, and Zamasu kicks Goku's ass easily, that would be amazing. I would love Super forever if that happened.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
[spoiler]I don't know if this is was already cogitated here, but what if there are two Zamasus, one in the present and other in the future timeline? Maybe they visited Zamasu in the present timeline, and he actually told the truth when he said he had no part in this, since the one causing all this mess is his future timeline counterpart, which for some reason has gone berserk...[/spoiler]
Konig wrote:[spoiler]I don't know if this is was already cogitated here, but what if there are two Zamasus, one in the present and other in the future timeline? Maybe they visited Zamasu in the present timeline, and he actually told the truth when he said he had no part in this, since the one causing all this mess is his future timeline counterpart, which for some reason has gone berserk...[/spoiler]
Yes, it's been noted that Beerus and company are visiting him in the present.
Konig wrote:[spoiler]I don't know if this is was already cogitated here, but what if there are two Zamasus, one in the present and other in the future timeline? Maybe they visited Zamasu in the present timeline, and he actually told the truth when he said he had no part in this, since the one causing all this mess is his future timeline counterpart, which for some reason has gone berserk...[/spoiler]
Y'know, originally there were five Kaioshin in Universe 7. The only reason that number was reduced was because Boo killed/absorbed the other four. Universe 6 only showed one and his attendant, and it is possible that it was simply the highest ranking Kaioshin, and that Universe 6 contains more.
I don't know Japanese, but the translated description makes it sound like Universe 10 only has one Kaioshin.
I wonder if it will ever be explained why the universes are "organized" differently with respect to their chief deities. I doubt it will, and it's not a huge deal, but it's mildly irksome.
Edit: I also wonder if the Omni-King will get pissed at Beerus, Goku et al. for crossing into other universes so casually.
I have to say, after reading the summaries for the upcoming eps., I wonder how things are going to play out between F. Trunks and F. Mai. I mean ep. 51's summary didn't really reveal anything new. All it did was really recap a couple of things we've known/learned about the ep. between last week and this week.
I would not be surprised if trunks arc would go up to episode #72. It would actually make sense considering they were confident enough to announce blu ray at least until #72.
Sodhi wrote:I would not be surprised if trunks arc would go up to episode #72. It would actually make sense considering they were confident enough to announce blu ray at least until #72.
I hope it does. Tomorrow will be the 5th episode and barely anything has happened so far.
Sodhi wrote:I would not be surprised if trunks arc would go up to episode #72. It would actually make sense considering they were confident enough to announce blu ray at least until #72.
I hope it does. Tomorrow will be the 5th episode and barely anything has happened so far.
Thats the Dragon Ball we all know and love, barely anything happens in an episode.
Konig wrote:[spoiler]I don't know if this is was already cogitated here, but what if there are two Zamasus, one in the present and other in the future timeline? Maybe they visited Zamasu in the present timeline, and he actually told the truth when he said he had no part in this, since the one causing all this mess is his future timeline counterpart, which for some reason has gone berserk...[/spoiler]
Well of course there is one Zamasu in the present and another existing in the future. Unless he died, he would continue existing into the future.
"The life is the hardest video games of ever. Because you have only one life and the powers are kinda lame. And sometimes a stage takes years"
"The life is a game, the objective of the game is trying to find the objective of the game, and then, finish the game"
--by Ranely Jr
I'd be surprised if by the end of this, Trunks doesn't use the Dragon Balls, or Super Dragon Balls to fix his world. Though that is if they can even affect alternate timelines. I'd guess the Super one's definitely could, but no say about the original ones. Especially since they never were used before to fix his world, so why would they now? Though they could at least tell Trunks where to find new namek. It should exist in his time line too.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:I'd be surprised if by the end of this, Trunks doesn't use the Dragon Balls, or Super Dragon Balls to fix his world. Though that is if they can even affect alternate timelines. I'd guess the Super one's definitely could, but no say about the original ones. Especially since they never were used before to fix his world, so why would they now? Though they could at least tell Trunks where to find new namek. It should exist in his time line too.
Hopefully the Nameks would evolve into like those in DBO and give Piccolo that as a new form
I find it funny that Trunks has awoken to a time period where Vegeta is tame and even offers him training. Imagine if he went back in time to find Majin Vegeta blow up a stadium with innocent people.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
dbzfan7 wrote:I'd be surprised if by the end of this, Trunks doesn't use the Dragon Balls, or Super Dragon Balls to fix his world. Though that is if they can even affect alternate timelines. I'd guess the Super one's definitely could, but no say about the original ones. Especially since they never were used before to fix his world, so why would they now? Though they could at least tell Trunks where to find new namek. It should exist in his time line too.
Personally, I'm hoping that if F. Trunks does use the DBs to fix his timeline, I hope he uses the Super Dragon Balls. Here's an idea I came up with a while back for the Black arc:
Personally, I want F. Trunks to have a happy ending no matter what. This includes EVERYONE returning to life in his timeline. However, I feel that if ANYTHING should be used to bring back everyone, it HAS to be the Super Dragon Balls, NOTHING LESS. I feel that there just HAS to be some sort of challenge in restoring his timeline to its former glory, and searching for those planet-sized MacGufffins are the BEST way to go about it, IMO. Heck, I kind of doubt Shenron and Porunga have THAT much strength to restore F. Trunks' timeline to its former glory anways, and personally? I REALLY want that to be the case. That both Shenron AND Porunga have a limit on that kind of wish-granting power, and who else should help restore F. Trunks' timeline than the strongest (?) Eternal Dragon? Also, it could allow Goku and the Dragon Team to have an excuse to travel between universes.
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