"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[BrolyKale]

I like how Kale is handled in the Manga, she is very quiet which reminds me of Broly base form. I really like it.

[Will]

Good chapter, but those rushed eliminations of Jimize and Katopesla are bad.

17 mvp of the chapter anyway.

I agree about Jimeze but how was Katopesla's elimination bad? Nink was eliminated the same way yet you don't say anything about him. Katopesla had nothing going for him. The anime just decided to give him more screentime and make him stronger for some reason. Even in the anime he was nothing more than just a gag character.

Katopesla had an "original" power for Dragon Ball with his belt and was (for me) a funny character so yeah, sad to see him go withtout being funny or showing something.

Nink only had the gimmick of being too strong for base Goku, so he wasn't really interesting in the anime either.

I liked that most characters in the top (except mostly u10) showed an "orignal"/"unique" power, a gimmick or a style of fighting before going down in the anime, I hope for the same in the mangas but for now it isn't the case.

[Doctor.]

Jimeze being knocked off without them explaining what a Yardrat is doing in U2 in both the anime and the manga makes me wonder what even was the point of including him in the first place. Sure we can rationalize and say he used IT, but nobody has ever used IT on such a scale before and we could have had a nice bit of lore, either with Yardrats being originally from U2 or a group of Yardrats migrating to U2 from U7; something like that. Instead we get nothing.

This was a much better start than the anime but I still have my gripes. Namely with fighters holding back for no apparent reason and Jiren's attitude. I'll have to see how the Freeza/Frost team-up will pay off but I'm not really feeling confident that Toyotaro will do Freeza justice. Curious about all the attention Roshi got this chapter, hopefully this means he'll be treated as well as in the anime.

[Xeogran]

Zoiray (the little U11 guy) has wings in the manga and can fly naturally.

I wonder why this wasn't the case in the Anime too..

On another note, I found it funny how Jiren VS Maji Kayo happened briefly in this chapter but Jiren didn't eliminate him. Maybe my U3 boy will manage to eliminate someone here.

[The gr]

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This was a much better start than the anime but I still have my gripes. Namely with fighters holding back for no apparent reason and Jiren's attitude. I'll have to see how the Freeza/Frost team-up will pay off but I'm not really feeling confident that Toyotaro will do Freeza justice. Curious about all the attention Roshi got this chapter, hopefully this means he'll be treated as well as in the anime.

IIRC someone in a forum said that Goku and Vegeta are holding back cuz their saving their stamina gosh this pisses me off and I was expecting this nonsense.At least we're not treated to this

Oh no Goku is struggling in his base, for no reason Goku isn't using SS1 .Here Goku went straight to SS1.

[Draconic]

While I agree that Jimize is barely a character and is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, so not exploring him isn't a deal breaker, finding out why there are Yardrats in Universe 2

Don't forget about the Tsfruan.

I actually thought of mentioning him, but since Jimize is out in both anime and manga without fanfare, he's the example most relevant (not to mention he was the topic at hand). The Tsufurian is still in the ring, so he might get something. Or, at least a shout out, since the anime completely ignores it.

[Doctor.]

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This was a much better start than the anime but I still have my gripes. Namely with fighters holding back for no apparent reason and Jiren's attitude. I'll have to see how the Freeza/Frost team-up will pay off but I'm not really feeling confident that Toyotaro will do Freeza justice. Curious about all the attention Roshi got this chapter, hopefully this means he'll be treated as well as in the anime.

IIRC someone in a forum said that Goku and Vegeta are holding back cuz their saving their stamina gosh this pisses me off and I was expecting this nonsense.At least we're not treated to this

Oh no Goku is struggling in his base, for no reason Goku isn't using SS1 .Here Goku went straight to SS1.

Yeah, it was nice to see Goku going Super Saiyan when faced with a problem, but it doesn't really explain why Goku and Vegeta aren't SS1 from the start considering the form literally has no drawbacks anymore or why none of the top fighters start knocking the fodder off the instant the tournament started.

[Dragon Ball Gus]

Can somebody give me the link to the raw chapter so that I can read it?

[The gr]

Yeah, it was nice to see Goku going Super Saiyan when faced with a problem, but it doesn't really explain why Goku and Vegeta aren't SS1 from the start considering the form literally has no drawbacks anymore or why none of the top fighters start knocking the fodder off the instant the tournament started.

Oh this problem, yup the manga screw up here and they could have made a better excuse like if zeno see the tournament end in a instant,he will erased everyone.

Seem like a dialogue heavy chapter, interested on the interaction of Frost and Frieza & Goku and Hit.

Also U3 are the Ginyu force here.

[Hawk9211]

Jimeze being knocked off without them explaining what a Yardrat is doing in U2 in both the anime and the manga makes me wonder what even was the point of including him in the first place. Sure we can rationalize and say he used IT, but nobody has ever used IT on such a scale before and we could have had a nice bit of lore, either with Yardrats being originally from U2 or a group of Yardrats migrating to U2 from U7; something like that. Instead we get nothing.

This was a much better start than the anime but I still have my gripes. Namely with fighters holding back for no apparent reason and Jiren's attitude. I'll have to see how the Freeza/Frost team-up will pay off but I'm not really feeling confident that Toyotaro will do Freeza justice. Curious about all the attention Roshi got this chapter, hopefully this means he'll be treated as well as in the anime.

I am not going to rule out tingly feeling and yardrat till their respective universes are erased.

Holding back is a classical trope,Imo it will only be bad if it is dyspo level.

Apparently,hit is also stronger and U2 is not spouting precure homeages,we might get some classical magical girl insread.

[Vegeta_Sama]

Why are you all complaining about these nobodies beign eliminated? Who cares? We already know which characters are the focal point of the ToP. Everyone besides the main three of U11, U6 and U7 is just fodder put there to make for a higher body count. What did you all expect, that Toyotaro suddenly put focus on characters nobody is interested in?

[Hawk9211]

Why are you all complaining about these nobodies beign eliminated? Who cares? We already know which characters are the focal point of the ToP. Everyone besides the main three of U11, U6 and U7 is just fodder put there to make for a higher body count. What did you all expect, that Toyotaro suddenly put focus on characters nobody is interested in?

Who's to say there is not going to be some dark horse?Besides,they are blank slates and can be converted into interesting characters.

[Draconic]

Honestly, seeing that characters who got some screen time in the anime getting thrown out early only makes me hopeful Toyotaro focuses on some of the others that got completely wasted. That way, trough both mediums, we get to explore more of them.

For example, I don't care if Obuni doesn't get his moment like vs Gohan if Murichim does more than get trashed by Freeza off-screen.

[Lord Beerus]

Took a look at the raws for Chapter 33 and it's pretty much the same as Episode 97, but with U7 having more eliminations from the get go and the Kamikaze Fireballs ahve already transformed.

Nice stuff from Toyotaro.

Honestly, seeing that characters who got some screen time in the anime getting thrown out early only makes me hopeful Toyotaro focuses on some of the others that got completely wasted. That way, trough both mediums, we get to explore more of them.

For example, I don't care if Obuni doesn't get his moment like vs Gohan if Murichim does more than get trashed by Freeza off-screen.

That's a really good way of looking at it. The characters who didn't get much screen time in the anime version of the TOP, could thrive in the manga version of the TOP.

I hope.

[Doctor.]

Why are you all complaining about these nobodies beign eliminated? Who cares? We already know which characters are the focal point of the ToP. Everyone besides the main three of U11, U6 and U7 is just fodder put there to make for a higher body count. What did you all expect, that Toyotaro suddenly put focus on characters nobody is interested in?

You might as well skip to Goku vs Jiren if you don't care.

Attitudes like this is why nobody outside this fanbase takes Dragon Ball seriously.

[Vegeta_Sama]

Why are you all complaining about these nobodies beign eliminated? Who cares? We already know which characters are the focal point of the ToP. Everyone besides the main three of U11, U6 and U7 is just fodder put there to make for a higher body count. What did you all expect, that Toyotaro suddenly put focus on characters nobody is interested in?

You might as well skip to Goku vs Jiren if you don't care.

Attitudes like this is why nobody outside this fanbase takes Dragon Ball seriously.

Fodder characters is what I don't care for, characters like Ribrianne, her friends with forgettable names, and almost everyone from U4 and U10. Did I say I don't care for U6? Hit? Cabba? Caulifla? Kale? Frost? U11? All the characters from U7? The answer is no, I didn't. See? There's a lot more here than just Goku and Jiren, so don't make false assumptions on what I care or don't care about. The manga has a faster pace, so I don't want to waste time on characters nobody remembers, I want to see the GOOD characters shine, and that does not include only Goku and Jiren

[Doctor.]

Why are you all complaining about these nobodies beign eliminated? Who cares? We already know which characters are the focal point of the ToP. Everyone besides the main three of U11, U6 and U7 is just fodder put there to make for a higher body count. What did you all expect, that Toyotaro suddenly put focus on characters nobody is interested in?

You might as well skip to Goku vs Jiren if you don't care.

Attitudes like this is why nobody outside this fanbase takes Dragon Ball seriously.

Fodder characters is what I don't care for, characters like Ribrianne, her friends with forgettable names, and almost everyone from U4 and U10. Did I say I don't care for U6? Hit? Cabba? Caulifla? Kale? Frost? U11? All the characters from U7? The answer is no, I didn't. See? There's a lot more here than just Goku and Jiren, so don't make false assumptions on what I care or don't care about. The manga has a faster pace, so I don't want to waste time on characters nobody remembers, I want to see the GOOD characters shine, and that does not include only Goku and Jiren

Nobody remembers those characters because they weren't given the time to be remembered. If Cabba, Hit, Caulifla, Frost and Kale were all fodder knocked out instantly the moment they were introduced, you wouldn't care for them either.

[Vegeta_Sama]

You might as well skip to Goku vs Jiren if you don't care.

Attitudes like this is why nobody outside this fanbase takes Dragon Ball seriously.

Fodder characters is what I don't care for, characters like Ribrianne, her friends with forgettable names, and almost everyone from U4 and U10. Did I say I don't care for U6? Hit? Cabba? Caulifla? Kale? Frost? U11? All the characters from U7? The answer is no, I didn't. See? There's a lot more here than just Goku and Jiren, so don't make false assumptions on what I care or don't care about. The manga has a faster pace, so I don't want to waste time on characters nobody remembers, I want to see the GOOD characters shine, and that does not include only Goku and Jiren

Nobody remembers those characters because they weren't given the time to be remembered. If Cabba, Hit, Caulifla, Frost and Kale were all fodder knocked out instantly the moment they were introduced, you wouldn't care for them either.

Fair enough. Maybe if Toyo will handle these characters well, I will care for them a little more

[Lord Beerus]

Fodder characters is what I don't care for, characters like Ribrianne, her friends with forgettable names, and almost everyone from U4 and U10. Did I say I don't care for U6? Hit? Cabba? Caulifla? Kale? Frost? U11? All the characters from U7? The answer is no, I didn't. See? There's a lot more here than just Goku and Jiren, so don't make false assumptions on what I care or don't care about. The manga has a faster pace, so I don't want to waste time on characters nobody remembers, I want to see the GOOD characters shine, and that does not include only Goku and Jiren

Nobody remembers those characters because they weren't given the time to be remembered. If Cabba, Hit, Caulifla, Frost and Kale were all fodder knocked out instantly the moment they were introduced, you wouldn't care for them either.

Fair enough. Maybe if Toyo will handle these characters well, I will care for them a little more

I hope so. Despite the anime's issue, I gave a shit about Universe 6, Universe 2, Universe 9 and Universe 3. I really want Toyotaro to make me feel something with the other universes characters in TOP.

[Vegeta_Sama]

Nobody remembers those characters because they weren't given the time to be remembered. If Cabba, Hit, Caulifla, Frost and Kale were all fodder knocked out instantly the moment they were introduced, you wouldn't care for them either.

Fair enough. Maybe if Toyo will handle these characters well, I will care for them a little more

I hope so. Despite the anime's issue, I gave a shit about Universe 6, Universe 2, Universe 9 and Universe 3. I really want Toyotaro to make me feel something with the other universes characters in TOP.

Fingers crossed. Hopefully this arc will be longer than the previous ones and less rushes since the anime is ensing. If these conditions are met, I think Toyotaro will deliver.