Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[TheDipDap1234]

There's no reason to put 18 and Ribrianne below base level fighters when they both showed things that put them well above them. Super Ribrianne was stronger than base Goku, and her Giant form was even stronger than that. 18 easily defeated that Ribrianne with an injured ankle.

Android 18 was getting blitzed by Katopesla in his speed form while Base Vegeta was overpowering Katopesla in his power form. This implies that 18 isn't as strong as Base Goku or Vegeta.

That happened before the Ribrianne fight. I said it many times but I highly think 18 got a powerup when she was fighting against giant Ribrianne. Plus Katopesla barely even fought with 18. She was impressed by his speed, but he didn't even manage to punch her as 17 stopped the fight immediately. 18 then was angry at 17 for helping her, probably meaning that she could have taken Katopesla out all by herself without any help.

[BWri]

How would you guys rank these characters from strongest to weakest?

Basil
Bergamo
Android 18
Good Buu
Ribrianne
Tagoma

Bergamo
Good Buu
Android 18
Ribrianne
Basil
Tagoma

Bergamo in his giant form was capable of pushing back a big Kamehameha from SSBKK Goku, so he should be much stronger than the others. The only thing that he's lacking is speed. Idk why people downplay him so much.

That was mainly all Goku's power though. Goku basically fed him until he was an opponent worth fighting. I doubt these other fighters do the same. On his own, he likely is lower than the others since they all held their own 1 on 1 while Bergamo was toyed with or had to fight with a group of people to even touched Goku.

[Freezerbaby]

So it looks like acording to latest leaks, by the episode 124 not only haven´t vegeta and goku been able to defeat Jiren, but the later has grown even stronger,in fact, goku and vegeta ( who is severely wounded) only managed to land a one single hit on Jiren, gohan will be helping freeza take on dyspo, and by episode 125, God of destruction Toppo would be joining the fight.....

[dragon boss z]

How would you guys rank these characters from strongest to weakest?

Basil
Bergamo
Android 18
Good Buu
Ribrianne
Tagoma

Ribrianne at max love power (18 need 17's help)
Bergamo (but could still lose to Buu since Buu is so hard to put down)
Good Fat Buu (beat drugged Basil)
Android 18
Basil (with drugs he is probably above 18 but she maybe could outlast him)
Tagoma (his best feat is beating a nerfed Piccolo and lost to a rusty Gohan. He could be as low as suppressed namek Frieza, at max I would put him at semi perfect Cell)

[TheDipDap1234]

How would you guys rank these characters from strongest to weakest?

Basil
Bergamo
Android 18
Good Buu
Ribrianne
Tagoma

Ribrianne at max love power (18 need 17's help)
Bergamo (but could still lose to Buu since Buu is so hard to put down)
Good Fat Buu (beat drugged Basil)
Android 18
Basil (with drugs he is probably above 18 but she maybe could outlast him)
Tagoma (his best feat is beating a nerfed Piccolo and lost to a rusty Gohan. He could be as low as suppressed namek Frieza, at max I would put him at semi perfect Cell)

Not really. 17 only protected 18 from a ki blast, and later on 18 went through another one of Ribrianne's ki blasts with her fists, so 17's help was unnecesarry.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Are people still claiming that Gohan isn't Ssb level? It's wrong, as in its not even debatable or a case of differing interpretation, it's just wrong.

https://i.imgur.com/BPlytWp.jpg

And for 17, he performed on the level of the other 4 Ssb tiers against anilaza and toshio deems his power as equal to Gohan whom was stated to rival Goku.

[majinwarman]

So it looks like acording to latest leaks, by the episode 124 not only haven´t vegeta and goku been able to defeat Jiren, but the later has grown even stronger,in fact, goku and vegeta ( who is severely wounded) only managed to land a one single hit on Jiren, gohan will be helping freeza take on dyspo, and by episode 125, God of destruction Toppo would be joining the fight.....

Well, at least that means that Vegeta hasn't been eliminated yet. Even though I'm not a fan of him, I still want him to be in the tournament.

[dragon boss z]

Not really. 17 only protected 18 from a ki blast, and later on 18 went through another one of Ribrianne's ki blasts with her fists, so 17's help was unnecesarry.

True, though Ribrianne still may of had a higher "power level". However she was just a large energy projection while 18 was just overall a better fighter, who didn't get tired, and was a proper size.

[ZombieVito]

How would you guys rank these characters from strongest to weakest?

Basil
Bergamo
Android 18
Good Buu
Ribrianne
Tagoma

Skinny Boo > Bergamo > Good Boo > 18 > Ribrianne > Tagoma

[PushoverMediaCritic]

Here's something to ruminate on. Dyspo's superpower is that he can multiply his speed 1,000 times over, but his reaction time can't catch up. Jiren and UI Goku are both faster than Dyspo. This means that Dyspo's actual Power Level is less than 0.1% of theirs. The gap between Blue and UI is large, but I don't think it's 1,000-fold large. I'd say Dyspo's actual Power Level is at or below SSG, but when he's using his speed boost he's between SSB KKx20 and UI Goku in terms of raw speed. Speed also translates into force, so Dyspo can probably hit well above Blue when using his speed boost.

Makes sense that Freeza would have trouble with him now, especially since Freeza doesn't have any of Hit or Maji Kayo's abilities for getting around Dyspo's speed or immobilizing him.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Here's something to ruminate on. Dyspo's superpower is that he can multiply his speed 1,000 times over, but his reaction time can't catch up. Jiren and UI Goku are both faster than Dyspo. This means that Dyspo's actual Power Level is less than 0.1% of theirs. The gap between Blue and UI is large, but I don't think it's 1,000-fold large. I'd say Dyspo's actual Power Level is at or below SSG, but when he's using his speed boost he's between SSB KKx20 and UI Goku in terms of raw speed. Speed also translates into force, so Dyspo can probably hit well above Blue when using his speed boost.

Makes sense that Freeza would have trouble with him now, especially since Freeza doesn't have any of Hit or Maji Kayo's abilities for getting around Dyspo's speed or immobilizing him.

I disagree completly on the gap of UI and Blue. Thanks to shin pointing out that ssb vegito is probably on G.o.D level, we can safely assume UI is thousands of times stronger than a ssb. The potara multiplier is insane. Look what it did to kafla. Her base was stronger than a ssg, that is in the thousands of times range.

Its not hard to believe Jiren and UI Goku to be thousands of times above a regular ssb. Gods of destruction are nearly incomprehensible in power, Jirens power is even more.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

I'm personally not sold on the Ultra Instinct being a power up in the traditional sense.

From what I've seen and interpreted, it seems more like the ability to bring out power beyond limits, but only in specific ways related to the Ultra Instinct's mechanics, like allowing the technique to form plans of attack for you instead of consciously putting in the effort.

When Goku is "in control", his attacks are unable to land as hard as this state of being should allow, something which I think his fight with Jiren demonstrated the proper usage of.

[Sora Saiyan]

Judging by the episode 123 spoilers posted on Herms twitter it seems that Goku was actually weaker when he fought Kafka as blue, and will only just be back to full power. So it actually makes sense that Champa was only confident in Kaflas chances because Goku was drained, obviously she would’ve won with her being equal to the the GD in the anime, but it would’ve been a much better fight, that, or Goku will somehow be stronger than ever in episode 123, or all Kaflas statements in regards to power were hyperbole.
Well maybe the anime is taking FP SSJB from the manga, but I doubt that.

Spoilers for 123.
[spoiler]DBS ep.123 “Full body, power, and spirit unleashed! Goku and Vegeta!!
Goku is finally at full power! He transforms into SSJB!
Vegeta loses to Jiren without even being able to put up a decent fight. And then Goku finally challenges Jiren! For the final battle, he transforms into full power SSJB![/spoiler]

[Hugo Boss]

How would you guys rank these characters from strongest to weakest?

Basil
Bergamo
Android 18
Good Buu
Ribrianne
Tagoma

- A serious Boo is much stronger than any of TrioDeDangers, but Bergamo has a tricky ability.
- 18 surpassed Ribrianne, whose power depends on shared love and sometimes allows her to pressure the Saiyans in their normal forms.
- A member of TrioDeDangers alone is barely a match for Goku and Vegeta in their normal forms as long as they know how to properly counter their special abilities, but together they are troublesome.
- Tagoma was easily killed by Vegeta in his normal form.

[Kenneth La Torre]

So I'm guessing ssb vegeta isnt stronger than ssb kaioken x20 Goku? They are making a big deal out of goku going back to full power ssb.
Which means that the only God tier characters in the tournament are Jiren, UI Goku and Ssj2 Kefla.
Jiren probably being an entire tier above the other 2.

[Bullza]

Aren't people underestimating Bergamo? Even before he was given any power at all, he was an equally to Base Goku so he should be able to wreck Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks easily too.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Aren't people underestimating Bergamo? Even before he was given any power at all, he was an equally to Base Goku so he should be able to wreck Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks easily too.

I don't know.

With the way the tournament has been portrayed, it could just as easily be that he's simply a pretty good fighter that could match Goku's movements for a little bit before he decided to rely on his special ability. When him and Goku fought again in the tournament proper, he wasn't really doing any better than before. Add in that he didn't use his damage-absorption technique, it seems that the tournament's showing might be more representative of how a prolonged fight with Goku would've went if Bergamo didn't rely on Goku powering him up.

[Bullza]

When him and Goku fought again in the tournament proper, he wasn't really doing any better than before.

I wouldn't say he did any worse though either. Gohan was able to fend off Lavender fairly easily when he was concentrating but Bergamo did quite well against Goku. He was doing better in their fight at first.

[TheSaiyanGod]

So I'm guessing ssb vegeta isnt stronger than ssb kaioken x20 Goku? They are making a big deal out of goku going back to full power ssb.
Which means that the only God tier characters in the tournament are Jiren, UI Goku and Ssj2 Kefla.
Jiren probably being an entire tier above the other 2.

I think the best thing to do is wait.

Yonkou's translation says that Vegeta gets a good fight against Jiren, unlike the Herms version.
I think the scan in Japanese has not yet been released, so maybe the translation is different (Herms and Yonkou translated from Korean).

Anyway, the synopses of the WSJ have already erred several times or showed very different interpretations of what really happened in the episode, so I do not know if you can trust it

[Kenneth La Torre]

So I'm guessing ssb vegeta isnt stronger than ssb kaioken x20 Goku? They are making a big deal out of goku going back to full power ssb.
Which means that the only God tier characters in the tournament are Jiren, UI Goku and Ssj2 Kefla.
Jiren probably being an entire tier above the other 2.

I think the best thing to do is wait.

Yonkou's translation says that Vegeta gets a good fight against Jiren, unlike the Herms version.
I think the scan in Japanese has not yet been released, so maybe the translation is different (Herms and Yonkou translated from Korean).

Anyway, the synopses of the WSJ have already erred several times or showed very different interpretations of what really happened in the episode, so I do not know if you can trust it

Waiting? Here? In kanzenshuu? Haaaa