Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

So according to the Episode 123 information from Herms, Vegeta gets stomped without putting up any real fight at all.

Then it also mentions that Goku is now at full power so he's going to use his full power Super Saiyan Blue.....does that mean he wasn't using his full power against Koichiarator and Aniraza?

[Kenneth La Torre]

So according to the Episode 123 information from Herms, Vegeta gets stomped without putting up any real fight at all.

Then it also mentions that Goku is now at full power so he's going to use his full power Super Saiyan Blue.....does that mean he wasn't using his full power against Koichiarator and Aniraza?

Dragon ball supers writting in a nutshell.

[Hugo Boss]

Aren't people underestimating Bergamo? Even before he was given any power at all, he was an equally to Base Goku so he should be able to wreck Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks easily too.

In episode 98 the wolf brothers seem roughly equal in power, so Bergamo would probably be weaker than Boo as well, at least in a serious fight. Though, I agree he can beat Gotenks.

So according to the Episode 123 information from Herms, Vegeta gets stomped without putting up any real fight at all.

Then it also mentions that Goku is now at full power so he's going to use his full power Super Saiyan Blue.....does that mean he wasn't using his full power against Koichiarator and Aniraza?

I don’t know which difference a full power Super Saiyan Blue would do, but I think it’s sensible to leave it for the final match, considering stamina is the most valuable attribute in a battle royal this long. U11 aces were very lucky on this part. By the way, despite what the blurb says, I think we all knew Vegeta would be no match for Jiren, but it doesn’t look like he will go down that easily.

[TheSaiyanGod]

So I'm guessing ssb vegeta isnt stronger than ssb kaioken x20 Goku? They are making a big deal out of goku going back to full power ssb.
Which means that the only God tier characters in the tournament are Jiren, UI Goku and Ssj2 Kefla.
Jiren probably being an entire tier above the other 2.

I think the best thing to do is wait.

Yonkou's translation says that Vegeta gets a good fight against Jiren, unlike the Herms version.
I think the scan in Japanese has not yet been released, so maybe the translation is different (Herms and Yonkou translated from Korean).

Anyway, the synopses of the WSJ have already erred several times or showed very different interpretations of what really happened in the episode, so I do not know if you can trust it

Waiting? Here? In kanzenshuu? Haaaa

Yes, as many other users are doing. But it's okay if you prefer to jump to conclusions based on a synopsis of a magazine that has already gone wrong several times (just as some people did when basing only on EP 122 preview), not to mention that the Japanese version was not even released to confirm that.

[Issei189]

So according to the Episode 123 information from Herms, Vegeta gets stomped without putting up any real fight at all.

Then it also mentions that Goku is now at full power so he's going to use his full power Super Saiyan Blue.....does that mean he wasn't using his full power against Koichiarator and Aniraza?

Yeah, but probably doesn't mean anything since we know they're getting wrecked again

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[Kenneth La Torre]

I think the best thing to do is wait.

Yonkou's translation says that Vegeta gets a good fight against Jiren, unlike the Herms version.
I think the scan in Japanese has not yet been released, so maybe the translation is different (Herms and Yonkou translated from Korean).

Anyway, the synopses of the WSJ have already erred several times or showed very different interpretations of what really happened in the episode, so I do not know if you can trust it

Waiting? Here? In kanzenshuu? Haaaa

Yes, as many other users are doing. But it's okay if you prefer to jump to conclusions based on a synopsis of a magazine that has already gone wrong several times (just as some people did when basing only on EP 122 preview), not to mention that the Japanese version was not even released to confirm that.

Dude, the point of my response WAS that no one actually waits. Have you not been in the dragon ball super official announcement page?

[lord turbo]

There's no reason to put 18 and Ribrianne below base level fighters when they both showed things that put them well above them. Super Ribrianne was stronger than base Goku, and her Giant form was even stronger than that. 18 easily defeated that Ribrianne with an injured ankle.

Android 18 was getting blitzed by Katopesla in his speed form while Base Vegeta was overpowering Katopesla in his power form. This implies that 18 isn't as strong as Base Goku or Vegeta.

Or perhaps base goku is actually far inferior to base Vegeta? There was that scene where base Goku seemibgly was getting hammered by Tupper's weight, the same one that 18 casually chucked with one hand, and we seemingly have SSJB Vegeta = UI Goku (first appearance) > KKx20 SSJB Goku. You got Suoer Ribrianne > base Goku who needed SSJB to sneak attack her off guard which couldn't put her down and the stronger Giany Ribria ne one-shotted by 18.

Looks like 18 may be a good deal stronger than base Goku and base Vegeta is simply way above that as its implied non-attack Cop guy > or = to 18 and a strength mode 300x that got fodderized by base Vegeta.

Is there any particular reason people assume Goku and Vegeta are the same level this late in the game?

[ZombieVito]

Aren't people underestimating Bergamo? Even before he was given any power at all, he was an equally to Base Goku so he should be able to wreck Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks easily too.

In episode 98 the wolf brothers seem roughly equal in power, so Bergamo would probably be weaker than Boo as well, at least in a serious fight. Though, I agree he can beat Gotenks.

But how can he beat Gotenks if he's weaker than Good Boo?

[Hugo Boss]

Aren't people underestimating Bergamo? Even before he was given any power at all, he was an equally to Base Goku so he should be able to wreck Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks easily too.

In episode 98 the wolf brothers seem roughly equal in power, so Bergamo would probably be weaker than Boo as well, at least in a serious fight. Though, I agree he can beat Gotenks.

But how can he beat Gotenks if he's weaker than Good Boo?

Good Boo can become stronger than Gotenks if he fights seriously, I guess.

[Bullza]

So is Base Gohan also supposed to be far stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks now?

That's really confusing because twice he's fought Goku and been on par with him so he should be above Gotenks easily, I'd chalk that up to training with Piccolo I suppose.

But the story still seems to make out that he wasn't as good as he used to be and even with Super Saiyan 2 he doesn't have his "original power" which would be the Ultimate power from the Buu saga.

And if Base Gohan is stronger than Super Saiyan Gotenks then wouldn't Piccolo be well over a hundred times stronger than that if he's on par with Super Saiyan 2 Gohan?

Or is he actually not as strong as Base Goku and is infact vastly weaker?

[Hugo Boss]

So is Base Gohan also supposed to be far stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks now?

That's really confusing because twice he's fought Goku and been on par with him so he should be above Gotenks easily, I'd chalk that up to training with Piccolo I suppose.

But the story still seems to make out that he wasn't as good as he used to be and even with Super Saiyan 2 he doesn't have his "original power" which would be the Ultimate power from the Buu saga.

And if Base Gohan is stronger than Super Saiyan Gotenks then wouldn't Piccolo be well over a hundred times stronger than that if he's on par with Super Saiyan 2 Gohan?

Or is he actually not as strong as Base Goku and is infact vastly weaker?

I think Gohan is not quite as good as Goku in the same forms, but he seems very close when he sharps his fighting senses. In another hand, there is too much of a difference between SS3 Gotenks and Base Vegeta/Base Goku. There is also the fact that Gohan and Piccolo seem equal when fighting Saonel and Pirina until Gohan uses his “full power” mode. So, it could mean Gohan evolved to the point he doesn’t need Super Saiyan or his full power to compete with Piccolo. This is my opinion.

[Bullza]

I think Gohan is not quite as good as Goku in the same forms, but he seems very close when he sharps his fighting senses. In another hand, there is too much of a difference between SS3 Gotenks and Base Vegeta/Base Goku. There is also the fact that Gohan and Piccolo seem equal when fighting Saonel and Pirina until Gohan uses his “full power” mode. So, it could mean Gohan evolved to the point he doesn’t need Super Saiyan or his full power to compete with Piccolo. This is my opinion.

Yeah it's all kind of hard to say.

Base Goku and Final Form Frieza were supposed to be, or we originally all thought, were about equal I guess before.

That Final Form Frieza easily beat up Jimeze who easily beat up Base Gohan so...if Base Goku really was on par with Final Form Frieza then he should be comfortably above Gohan.

Also when Base Goku and Gohan fought, at first they were equal, Gohan went off and powered up and continued fighting and Goku didn't but they were still equal.

[ZombieVito]

I think Gohan is not quite as good as Goku in the same forms, but he seems very close when he sharps his fighting senses. In another hand, there is too much of a difference between SS3 Gotenks and Base Vegeta/Base Goku. There is also the fact that Gohan and Piccolo seem equal when fighting Saonel and Pirina until Gohan uses his “full power” mode. So, it could mean Gohan evolved to the point he doesn’t need Super Saiyan or his full power to compete with Piccolo. This is my opinion.

Yeah it's all kind of hard to say.

Base Goku and Final Form Frieza were supposed to be, or we originally all thought, were about equal I guess before.

That Final Form Frieza easily beat up Jimeze who easily beat up Base Gohan so...if Base Goku really was on par with Final Form Frieza then he should be comfortably above Gohan.

Also when Base Goku and Gohan fought, at first they were equal, Gohan went off and powered up and continued fighting and Goku didn't but they were still equal.

Jimeze only had the advantage against Gohan because of IT.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I think Gohan is not quite as good as Goku in the same forms, but he seems very close when he sharps his fighting senses. In another hand, there is too much of a difference between SS3 Gotenks and Base Vegeta/Base Goku. There is also the fact that Gohan and Piccolo seem equal when fighting Saonel and Pirina until Gohan uses his “full power” mode. So, it could mean Gohan evolved to the point he doesn’t need Super Saiyan or his full power to compete with Piccolo. This is my opinion.

Yeah it's all kind of hard to say.

Base Goku and Final Form Frieza were supposed to be, or we originally all thought, were about equal I guess before.

That Final Form Frieza easily beat up Jimeze who easily beat up Base Gohan so...if Base Goku really was on par with Final Form Frieza then he should be comfortably above Gohan.

Also when Base Goku and Gohan fought, at first they were equal, Gohan went off and powered up and continued fighting and Goku didn't but they were still equal.

Jimeze only had the advantage against Gohan because of IT.

Probably could have fodderized Gohan without it.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Yeah it's all kind of hard to say.

Base Goku and Final Form Frieza were supposed to be, or we originally all thought, were about equal I guess before.

That Final Form Frieza easily beat up Jimeze who easily beat up Base Gohan so...if Base Goku really was on par with Final Form Frieza then he should be comfortably above Gohan.

Also when Base Goku and Gohan fought, at first they were equal, Gohan went off and powered up and continued fighting and Goku didn't but they were still equal.

Jimeze only had the advantage against Gohan because of IT.

Probably could have fodderized Gohan without it.

You wish. Jimeze is weak without IT.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Jimeze only had the advantage against Gohan because of IT.

Probably could have fodderized Gohan without it.

You wish. Jimeze is weak without IT.

Gohan's even weaker.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Probably could have fodderized Gohan without it.

You wish. Jimeze is weak without IT.

Gohan's even weaker.

You wish he was.

[TheUltimateNinja]

You wish. Jimeze is weak without IT.

Gohan's even weaker.

You wish he was.

Jimmy was effortlessly destroying Gohan the whole time, Gohan wouldn't be able to do anything even if he didn't use IT.

[wolflonnie]

Regarding Vegeta vs Jiren, we can always chalk it up to Jiren having one moment off, and Vegeta being way too aggressive for what Jiren has prepared for.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Regarding Vegeta vs Jiren, we can always chalk it up to Jiren having one moment off, and Vegeta being way too aggressive for what Jiren has prepared for.

All antagonists are taken off-guard at first by Vegeta's patented "ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!" strategy