The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Birusu16]

Here's some:

• Super Saiyans Goku (Healthy) and Vegeta (Android Saga) vs. Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town)
  
  Base Vegeta (RoF) vs. Super Buu, then Buutenks, then Buuhan (Gauntlet)
  
  Dabura vs. Paikuhan
  
  Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Cell Games) vs. Bojack (Transformed)
  
  Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Buu Arc) vs. 100% True Form Freeza (RoF)

Imperfect Cell is overwhelmed power wise. However, he has the edge over all his later incarnations. Perfect Cell is smarter, but blinded by arrogance when he's overwhelmed. Imperfect Cell knows he's flawed and doesn't resort to Vegeta or Freeza tactics. Vegeta might get overconfident and blow everything into pieces, allowing Cell to suppress his battle power and leave, effectively convincing the two he's dead. It's also possible he could separate the two and capture one, absorbing part of them. If all else fails, he'd just do what he did when Piccolo was laying into him.

The first Boo stomps him effortlessly. I don't believe the base Saiyans are all that strong.

This one's difficult. I don't believe Paikuhan beat Super Perfect Cell. It looks to be that he cold-clocked a suppressed Cell. That said, it's hard to say. I place Dabra around full-power Perfect Cell. I sincerely doubt Goku improved significantly during those couple of months being dead. I'd say they're roughly equal, maybe with Paikuhan having the edge, making Dabra vastly stronger. Combined with his spit and other magical abilities, Paikuhan has no chance whatsoever.

Goku's a couple steps behind Gohan, so it's possible they'd be equal, but I still feel like Goku easily takes this.

Freeza takes this. Now, if it were GT SSJ4 Goku, Freeza gets one-shotted.

Um what? RoF Base Vegeta is Vegeta with the power of SSJG absorbed. This isn't the normal base Saiyan like Goku and Vegeta from the Buu saga. Any fighter with power on par with or above SSJG would destroy any version of Buu. RoF Base Vegeta happens to fit that bill.

[Sayo-chan]

Um what? RoF Base Vegeta is Vegeta with the power of SSJG absorbed. This isn't the normal base Saiyan like Goku and Vegeta from the Buu saga. Any fighter with power on par with or above SSJG would destroy any version of Buu. RoF Base Vegeta happens to fit that bill.

I don't see it. Neither of them seem all that impressive. I take Freeza's 1.3 million statement as is (granted I also believe this is merely writer's incompetence). In fact, the whole movie to me looks as though they're weaker than their Cell arc counterparts.

[Captain Space]

Here's some:

• Super Saiyans Goku (Healthy) and Vegeta (Android Saga) vs. Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town)
  
  Base Vegeta (RoF) vs. Super Buu, then Buutenks, then Buuhan (Gauntlet)
  
  Dabura vs. Paikuhan
  
  Super Saiyan 2 Goku (Cell Games) vs. Bojack (Transformed)
  
  Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Buu Arc) vs. 100% True Form Freeza (RoF)

-Cell should be a bit stronger than them, but this will probably end up in a fight like the first Meta-Cooler; eventually the saiyans pull off a victory through some Teeth-Clenched Teamwork.

-RoF base Goku should be above post-BoG base Goku, who isn't much weaker than SSJG Goku...and base RoF Vegeta is about equal with base RoF Goku...

...so Vegeta slaughters any version of Buu.

-Depends which interpretation of Paikuhan's power we're using. One scene he one-shots Cell while weighted, then a few episodes later he has to take off his weights to match Cell Games SSJ Goku... (Dabura should be in-between those two.)

-Can't be 100%, but probably Goku.

-This Goku should still be vast leagues below Vegetto...and this Freeza is probably at least on par with Vegetto...so Freeza.

SSGSS Goku & SSGSSSVegeta vs Golden Freeza( Full Power) - No power drain

Freeza barely had an advantage on Goku at full power; Goku and Vegeta together can take him easy.

Um what? RoF Base Vegeta is Vegeta with the power of SSJG absorbed. This isn't the normal base Saiyan like Goku and Vegeta from the Buu saga. Any fighter with power on par with or above SSJG would destroy any version of Buu. RoF Base Vegeta happens to fit that bill.

I don't see it. Neither of them seem all that impressive. I take Freeza's 1.3 million statement as is (granted I also believe this is merely writer's incompetence). In fact, the whole movie to me looks as though they're weaker than their Cell arc counterparts.

That really is what they are in base in this movie; with god-power absorbed. Like Goku in the latter stages of his fight with Beerus--the state that allowed him to land several good hits on 70% Beerus.

[Sayo-chan]

That really is what they are in base in this movie; with god-power absorbed. Like Goku in the latter stages of his fight with Beerus--the state that allowed him to land several good hits on 70% Beerus.

I didn't contest that's what they were. I contested their power. As far as I'm concerned, like Trunks brought the stupid virus to everyone during the Cell arc, Beerus brought the weakling virus in BoGs. I'd place them (transformed) maybe around SSJ Trunks.

[Birusu16]

Um what? RoF Base Vegeta is Vegeta with the power of SSJG absorbed. This isn't the normal base Saiyan like Goku and Vegeta from the Buu saga. Any fighter with power on par with or above SSJG would destroy any version of Buu. RoF Base Vegeta happens to fit that bill.

I don't see it. Neither of them seem all that impressive. I take Freeza's 1.3 million statement as is (granted I also believe this is merely writer's incompetence). In fact, the whole movie to me looks as though they're weaker than their Cell arc counterparts.

It doesn't matter if they don't "seem" that impressive. That's what they are. They possess the power of SSJG in base. The same form that was capable of giving a 70% Beerus a fight. The same Beerus who would utterly stomp any version of Buu. If we're going strictly off visuals/feats then Super Buu isn't even as strong as BoS Piccolo who blew up the moon.

[Sayo-chan]

Um what? RoF Base Vegeta is Vegeta with the power of SSJG absorbed. This isn't the normal base Saiyan like Goku and Vegeta from the Buu saga. Any fighter with power on par with or above SSJG would destroy any version of Buu. RoF Base Vegeta happens to fit that bill.

I don't see it. Neither of them seem all that impressive. I take Freeza's 1.3 million statement as is (granted I also believe this is merely writer's incompetence). In fact, the whole movie to me looks as though they're weaker than their Cell arc counterparts.

It doesn't matter if they don't "seem" that impressive. That's what they are. They possess the power of SSJG in base. The same form that was capable of giving a 70% Beerus a fight. The same Beerus who would utterly stomp any version of Buu.

Uh, it does matter. To me (in this particular instance), they're not impressive and neither is Beerus. As far as I'm concerned, Freeza's max battle power is below his max battle power on Namek before he used his golden form. I'd place base Vegeta around base Goku on Namek, with Goku being slightly stronger. Beerus I'd say, maybe around #17.

[Birusu16]

Uh, it does matter. To me, they're not impressive and neither is Beerus. As far as I'm concerned, Freeza's max battle power is below his max battle power on Namek before he used his golden form. I'd place base Vegeta around base Goku on Namek, with Goku being slightly stronger. Beerus I'd say, maybe around #17.

You have a serious skewered view of how power-scaling works in this series if this is how you see things. Not even going to continue this argument otherwise I'll just end up saying some things that probably shouldn't be said because this logic is some of the worst logic I've ever come across.

[Sayo-chan]

Uh, it does matter. To me, they're not impressive and neither is Beerus. As far as I'm concerned, Freeza's max battle power is below his max battle power on Namek before he used his golden form. I'd place base Vegeta around base Goku on Namek, with Goku being slightly stronger. Beerus I'd say, maybe around #17.

You have a serious skewered view of how power-scaling works in this series if this is how you see things. Not even going to continue this argument otherwise I'll just end up saying some things that probably shouldn't be said because this logic is some of the worst logic I've ever come across.

Well, considering that's not how illogic works, I'm assuming you're referring to the rationality therein. There is no set interpretation, what you view as skewered others may not. Your position is no more "provable" than what I've laid out. If you have some sort of logical syntax to deconstruct, please by all means, show me the syllogistical errors I've made. Also note where I said "this particular instance". That alone should tell you I have no definitive ideals regarding this.

[Birusu16]

You're using visual interpretation/feats as a basis for who's stronger than who, which is ridiculously flawed for numerous reasons. BoS Piccolo vaporized the moon. I guess we should put him above Vegetto, Cell, Freeza, etc. because his showings are more impressive despite the fact that the version of Piccolo in question is the weakest one in the series (DB excluded). That's illogical in every sense of the word. No, we'd put Vegetto, Cell, Freeza, etc. far above him because they've all defeated characters far stronger than said version of Piccolo regardless of whether or not they have as impressive feats.

And there is no "particular instance". You can't use this logic for a few characters and then ignore said logic for everyone else.

[Sayo-chan]

You're using visual interpretation/feats as a basis for who's stronger than who, which is ridiculously flawed for numerous reasons.

I disagree. The universe is heavily inconsistent and people are welcome to make inferences however they please.

BoS Piccolo vaporized the moon. I guess we should put him above Vegetto, Cell, Freeza, etc. because his showings are more impressive despite the fact that the version of Piccolo in question is the weakest one in the series (DB excluded).

That's not even remotely comparable to anything I've stated. All those characters have good enough reasons behind them to believe they're capable of destroying the Moon.

That's illogical in every sense of the word.

No it isn't. Logic doesn't operate like that. I could make a valid syllogism for Zeus existing, but that doesn't mean he does. There's a difference in formal and informal operations when it comes to logic and the type of logic you're applying.

No, we'd put Vegetto, Cell, Freeza, etc. far above him because they've all defeated characters far stronger than said version of Piccolo regardless of whether or not they have as impressive feats.

Not everyone has to follow that line of reasoning, so refrain from generalizing as though your opinion is factual. I do not view the movies to have a fluid consistency with the manga. That said, I don't infer much of it to be consistent with the manga, because it doesn't have to be.

And there is no "particular instance". You can't use this logic for a few characters and then ignore said logic for everyone else.

So, you get to tell me what I think and when? No deal. I'm welcome to make as many interpretations as I please, especially when I'm not aiming for consistency among them. Why would I have to? Each circumstance is subject to however I want to view it. I can also apply logic as I see fit to whatever circumstance, because each circumstance concerning my interpretations are in a vacuum.

[Birusu16]

You're using visual interpretation/feats as a basis for who's stronger than who, which is ridiculously flawed for numerous reasons.

I disagree. The universe is heavily inconsistent and people are welcome to making inferences however please. You have this bad habit of saying something is "bad" or "flawed" without actually saying why.

BoS Piccolo vaporized the moon. I guess we should put him above Vegetto, Cell, Freeza, etc. because his showings are more impressive despite the fact that the version of Piccolo in question is the weakest one in the series (DB excluded).

That's not even remotely comparable to anything I've stated. All those characters have good enough reasons behind them to believe they're capable of destroying the Moon.

That's illogical in every sense of the word.

No it isn't. Logic doesn't operate like that. I could make a valid syllogism for Zeus existing, but that doesn't mean he does.

No, we'd put Vegetto, Cell, Freeza, etc. far above him because they've all defeated characters far stronger than said version of Piccolo regardless of whether or not they have as impressive feats.

Not everyone has to follow that line of reasoning, so refrain from generalizing as though your opinion is factual. I do not view the movies to have a fluid consistency with the manga. That said, I don't infer much of it to be consistent with the manga, because it doesn't have to be.

And there is no "particular instance". You can't use this logic for a few characters and then ignore said logic for everyone else.

So, you get to tell me what I think and when? No deal. I'm welcome to make as many interpretations as I please, especially when I'm not aiming for consistency among them. Why would I have to? Each circumstance is subject to however I want to view it. I can also apply logic as I see fit to whatever circumstance, because each circumstance concerning my interpretations are in a vacuum.

1. I've already said why. You've merely chosen to ignore it.

2. Yes, it certainly is. You're saying Beerus, SSJG Goku, Vegeta, etc. don't seem as impressive as earlier characters and thus are weaker than them. Well Vegetto, Cell, Freeza, etc. didn't show anything as impressive as destroying the moon either when they've fought so they to are weaker than Piccolo according to your logic.

3. Logic certainly does work like that. If character A can defeat character B and character B was able to defeat character C then the clear logical conclusion is that character A would triumph over character C. But you're not using that logic. You're using visual interpretation/feats as a the determining factor of who's stronger than who despite it being an inherently flawed way of determining strength relative to another in DB.

4. So your best argument is they're weaker because... That's not an argument. And the argument of they're not that impressive isn't an argument either for reasons I've already stated. Well unless you want to admit Vegetto is weaker than BoS Piccolo.

5. You're free to do whatever you want, but I certainly won't be taking it seriously.

Either way, this argument is over for me.

[Sayo-chan]

1. I've already said why. You've merely chosen to ignore it.

2. Yes, it certainly is. You're saying Beerus, SSJG Goku, Vegeta, etc. don't seem as impressive as earlier characters and thus are weaker than them. Well Vegetto, Cell, Freeza, etc. didn't show anything as impressive as destroying the moon either when they've fought so they to are weaker than Piccolo according to your logic.

Partially you're correct, you did say why, hence why I edited that portion of my statement out once I was finished editing my post. However, I haven't ignored anything.

Now, that's still not comparable, because you're grasping straws here. Aside from being objectively wrong about Piccolo having greater feats than Freeza, someone that flicked his finger and blew up a planet, that's a reduction of my reasoning. I'm making an inference based off how nothing they do is impressive in conjunction with Freeza's 1.3 million statement. This can neither be proved nor disproved.

3. Logic certainly does work like that. If character A can defeat character B and character B was able to defeat character C then the clear logical conclusion is that character A would triumph over character C. But you're not using that logic. You're using visual interpretation/feats as a the determining factor of who's stronger than who despite it being an inherently flawed way of determining strength relative to another in DB.

It doesn't, at all. There's informal and formal structures. Even if you could prove me as illogical, which you didn't, you'd still be wrong, as I made no formal errors; therefore meaning it can't be in every sense of the word.

The bolded argument works if the universe is perfectly consistent, which it isn't. I don't view the movie as being fluidly consistent with the manga, therefore I, in this particular instance, view them all as weaker.

You're not employing the word inherently right. These things are subject to context, as there really aren't any absolutes here. Maybe if you were referring to certain events in the manga as though it were a vacuum I'd agree with you.

4. So your best argument is they're weaker because... That's not an argument. And the argument of they're not that impressive isn't an argument either for reasons I've already stated. Well unless you want to admit Vegetto is weaker than BoS Piccolo.

I'm not making any arguments. I'm exploring a possibility based off an interpretation, that's it. Anything more is something you're looking into that isn't there. The rest of your statement adheres to the grasp at straws I mentioned above. All official media isn't within a vacuum. Whether or not you view there as being a fluid consistency between X and the Freeza movie is entirely up to you. That can and will affect how inferences are made.

5. You're free to do whatever you want, but I certainly won't be taking it seriously.

Either way, this argument is over for me.

That's fine? Why are you going out of your way to say this? You're coming across as passive aggressive, over what? Because I share a different view than you?

[LonelyShadow]

- SSJ2 Vegeta (Beginning of Buu) vs SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games)
- Goku (EoZ, original timeline) vs Freeza 100%
- Saiyan beyond God Goku vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby saga)
- Super Perfect Cell "El Cucaracho Sanchez" vs SSJ2 Goku (First time unlocking this transformation in the afterlife)
- SSJ4 Gogeta (GT) vs Whis

[Darkron2151]

- SSJ2 Vegeta (Beginning of Buu) vs SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games)
- Goku (EoZ, original timeline) vs Freeza 100%
- Saiyan beyond God Goku vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby saga)
- Super Perfect Cell "El Cucaracho Sanchez" vs SSJ2 Goku (First time unlocking this transformation in the afterlife)
- SSJ4 Gogeta (GT) vs Whis

1. Gohan wins IMO. SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta were implied to be not that much stronger than Gohan's Cell Games self, while there was a reasonable gap between Goku and non-majin Vegeta.

2. By "original timeline", I assume you mean without BOG or RoF? Regardless, I have Goku and Freeza as equals, and that's not even going by Beerus' "Freeza > Base Saiyans" quote. However, Freeza will start to lose power due to the drain of his Bulky Form and then lose outright to Goku.

3. SSJ4 Goku.....cuz GT.

4. Cell......cuz Spanish.

5. SSJ4 Gogeta.....cuz GT......again.

[Sayo-chan]

- SSJ2 Vegeta (Beginning of Buu) vs SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games)
- Goku (EoZ, original timeline) vs Freeza 100%
- Saiyan beyond God Goku vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby saga)
- Super Perfect Cell "El Cucaracho Sanchez" vs SSJ2 Goku (First time unlocking this transformation in the afterlife)
- SSJ4 Gogeta (GT) vs Whis

SSJ2 Vegeta (Beginning of Buu) vs SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games)
Gohan easily takes this. The gap between Goku and Vegeta was fairly large during the Cell Games, thus making it even larger between he and Gohan. I was always under the impression that Vegeta wasn't on his level until the Majin boost.

Saiyan beyond God Goku vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby saga)
If we view GT as being in the same continuity as the god stuff, then SSJ4 would naturally be stronger, unless Goku were to somehow lose all that power beforehand. If they're viewed as two separate continuities, based on kid base Goku being above Boo, I'd still say SSJ4 emerges the victor.

Super Perfect Cell "El Cucaracho Sanchez" vs SSJ2 Goku (First time unlocking this transformation in the afterlife)
There was a substantial gap between Cell and Goku. We don't know when he unlocked SSJ2, but given it took seven years for him to become a bit stronger than Gohan (minus SSJ3), I doubt he'd have a chance.

SSJ4 Gogeta (GT) vs Whis
Well like above, if they both take place in the same continuity, Gogeta one-shots him. If not, I'd still say Gogegta is the strongest character shown to us. SSJ4 Goku is already ridiculously strong, with Vegeta receiving a deus ex machina to get on his level, combined they're unstoppable. Whis is a 15, with god Goku being a 6. I place SSJ4 above him, but at minimum they'd have to be an 8 or so each in order to have an edge.

[Captain Space]

- SSJ2 Vegeta (Beginning of Buu) vs SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games)
- Goku (EoZ, original timeline) vs Freeza 100%
- Saiyan beyond God Goku vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby saga)
- Super Perfect Cell "El Cucaracho Sanchez" vs SSJ2 Goku (First time unlocking this transformation in the afterlife)
- SSJ4 Gogeta (GT) vs Whis

-Vegeta was shocked by Goku's power against Yakon, but didn't realise he'd surpassed Gohan until later when they fought; hence Majin Vegeta/SSJ2 Goku > CG Gohan > flash-of-SSJ2-vs-Yakon Goku > SSJ2 Vegeta (pre-Majin)...so Gohan wins.

-Goku's either insanely beyond Freeza or not far behind, and given just how experienced and skilful a fighter he is by this point, either way I give this one to Goku. (Plus Freeza's time limit, plus Goku's pretty adept at getting the better of stronger foes in ways that would be lethal if they couldn't regenerate).

-In BoG post-god base Goku was able to land some good hits on 70% Beerus, so couldn't be that far below SSJG; he's probably a bit stronger due to training by RF, at that. I'm sticking by Beerus >>> Vegetto >= SSJ4 Goku, but this Godku is a few steps below Beerus...eh, still probably Godku, but not by a huge amount.

-SSJ2 Goku by the Buu Saga probably wasn't that far above Cell Games Gohan, so when he first unlocked it, before getting SSJ3 or anything, he was probably considerably weaker. Add in Cell's hax, and you get either a repeat of their fight at the Cell Games (i.e. Cell wins after a hard fight), or a stomp in Cell's favour, depending on the exact difference.

-Okay, starting with Beerus >>> Vegetto >= SSJ4 Goku. Then we have Omega Shenron, who wasn't actually ridiculously far above SSJ4 Goku or Vegeta--both were able to last a few seconds in hand-to-hand with him at times, and Goku would've actually killed him if it wasn't for regeneration. Now for SSJ4 Gogeta, who...actually wasn't ridiculously far above Omega, at that. Sure, he had enough of an advantage to goof around, but it would've taken two shots from his strongest attack to put Omega down, purely based on Omega's durability.

So with all that said, I can't see the gap between SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Gogeta being as big as the gap between (the maybe a bit stronger than SSJ4 Goku) Vegetto and Beerus. And this is Whis, who's 1.5x Beerus' strength.

So in my opinion, Whis wins pretty handily.

[Doctor.]

Super Perfect Cell vs SS2 Gohan, Cell Games. No cheap shots, no sacrifices, no moral support. Just assume Vegeta never flipped out and that Goku never knew that Cell survived and let the fight continue from there.
Super Saiyan Future Trunks, when he fought against Imperfect Cell vs Super Saiyan Trunks, after training for the tournament
Super Saiyan 2 Goten and Trunks vs Super Saiyan 2 Goku
Super Saiyan Time Patrol Trunks vs Super Saiyan 2 Goku
Hatchyack vs Super Saiyan Goku, Boo arc
Super Saiyan God Raditz vs Android #18

[ekrolo2]

Super Perfect Cell vs SS2 Gohan, Cell Games. No cheap shots, no sacrifices, no moral support. Just assume Vegeta never flipped out and that Goku never knew that Cell survived and let the fight continue from there.
Super Saiyan Future Trunks, when he fought against Imperfect Cell vs Super Saiyan Trunks, after training for the tournament
Super Saiyan 2 Goten and Trunks vs Super Saiyan 2 Goku
Super Saiyan Time Patrol Trunks vs Super Saiyan 2 Goku
Hatchyack vs Super Saiyan Goku, Boo arc
Super Saiyan God Raditz vs Android #18

Cell and Gohan kill each other.

Regular Trunks cause of his bullshit head start on his future version.

Goku stomps them both, rightfully so.

Apparently he got strong enough to be considered impressive by Beerus in XV without God so I'd say Trunks would win.

Goku.

If the God power sticks and he doesn't BS around, Raditz wins. If it completely vanishes before he finishes her off, 18 stomps.

[Captain Space]

Super Perfect Cell vs SS2 Gohan, Cell Games. No cheap shots, no sacrifices, no moral support. Just assume Vegeta never flipped out and that Goku never knew that Cell survived and let the fight continue from there.
Super Saiyan Future Trunks, when he fought against Imperfect Cell vs Super Saiyan Trunks, after training for the tournament
Super Saiyan 2 Goten and Trunks vs Super Saiyan 2 Goku
Super Saiyan Time Patrol Trunks vs Super Saiyan 2 Goku
Hatchyack vs Super Saiyan Goku, Boo arc
Super Saiyan God Raditz vs Android #18

-I say Gohan, but that's just a matter of opinion.

-Kid Trunks. I'd estimate the gap between him and Buu Saga Vegeta to be less than that same Vegeta and any version of Future Trunks.

-Goku, pretty easily. He should have a decent power advantage, and the smarts and skills to outwit them, whereas they're colossal dumbasses.

-How powerful even is Time Patrol Trunks? I have absolutely no idea.

-I guess Hatchiyak?

-Honestly, the gap between them is probably even greater than what the gap between Goku and Beerus was. I'd guess 18 wins.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

- SSJ2 Vegeta (Beginning of Buu) vs SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games)
- Goku (EoZ, original timeline) vs Freeza 100%
- Saiyan beyond God Goku vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby saga)
- Super Perfect Cell "El Cucaracho Sanchez" vs SSJ2 Goku (First time unlocking this transformation in the afterlife)
- SSJ4 Gogeta (GT) vs Whis

• Gohan
• Goku (I don't go with the Freeza> Base Saiyans thing..)
• SSJ4 Goku
• It'd be a close fight but I'm weighing towards Cell.
• Gogeta takes him out easily.

Super Perfect Cell vs SS2 Gohan, Cell Games. No cheap shots, no sacrifices, no moral support. Just assume Vegeta never flipped out and that Goku never knew that Cell survived and let the fight continue from there.
Super Saiyan Future Trunks, when he fought against Imperfect Cell vs Super Saiyan Trunks, after training for the tournament
Super Saiyan 2 Goten and Trunks vs Super Saiyan 2 Goku
Super Saiyan Time Patrol Trunks vs Super Saiyan 2 Goku
Hatchyack vs Super Saiyan Goku, Boo arc
Super Saiyan God Raditz vs Android #18

• Cell would have a huge advantage in this fight so I'll give it to him.
• I'd give it to Future Trunks.
• The kids overwhelm him.
• Goku
• Goku
• Raditz