Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Doctor.]

So Vegeta apparently asspulls a new ability next episode. Anyone wanna bet it's Toei-only and won't get explained just like Trunks'?

[Birusu16]

That really looks like UI+SSB in that ending shot there for Vegeta. He has pupils just like UI Goku (which SSJB lacks) and the form just looks different from SSJB. Whether it is or not, Vegeta's clearly getting some new transformation next episode.

[Kenneth La Torre]

So i just watched it subbed, and i got to say, it was way more one sided than i thought. Vegeta even pointed out that jiren was using less power against him than jiren used against goku. Jiren calling vegetas final flash "not half bad" might put him above the ssbkx20 spirit bomb, probably.

[ekrolo2]

This is the same guy that learned how to sense ki, which was considered quite hard to do at that time, from just watching it once. Vegeta is a quick learner. I have a feeling Vegeta will be pushed to the brink like Goku was and will probably achieve Ultra Instinct.

Oh God that's another thing I hate, how people can just copy one another by watching, it's literally how every SS form ever got devalued and UI getting the same treatment irks the shit out of me since it's something nobody but the angels can apparently do properly.

I can excuse Goku and Vegeta's rapid adaptability with Ultra Instinct because Goku is a fighting genius, and Vegeta went of his way and busted his ass training with the greatest martial in the universe (Whis) for nearly a year. And that is the very same martial artists who also taught a user of Ultra Instinct (Beerus) everything he knows.

I does have precedence and build up.

Goku getting it was a fluke after extremely tiring and near lethal events, it has nothing to do with him being a genius nor is Whis training relevant to UI since all he did was generically improve the duo, he never stopped and trained them to get over their personality defects that hinder their ability to use UI. Vegeta getting it from an ass whooping and because he's super determined (like he isn't about everything by default) is the kind of BS I expected.

[Zamasu55]

Vegeta said that Jiren's the strongest person he's ever fought.
So if someone still thought Merged Zamasu was stronger than him... Forget it.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Vegeta said that Jiren's the strongest person he's ever fought.
So if someone still thought Merged Zamasu was stronger than him... Forget it.

Jiren is above a god of destruction... does anyone actually believe merged zamasu is above jiren?
Not only are vegeta and goku more powerful than against merged zamasu aa ssb, but they are magically powering up their ssb to ridiculous amounts, yet is nothing to jiren.

[MagmonKai]

What lies beyond strenght? I don't understand what Jiren is talking about when he's asking Goku why he wants to become stronger. Maybe he wants to become immortal or something.

[Myzt0gun]

Or maybe just go UI.

The only thing Vegeta should be is a corpse since Spirit Bomb KKX20 Blue Goku did precisely dick and all to Jiren but Vegeta wanking mode is on so he's probably gonna get UI now just because, even though Goku had to basically die and come back to do it. I knew UI was gonna get devalued because anything of worth is destined for that in Dragon Ball, but I figured UI would last a bit longer than this.

How Goku attained Ultra Instinct is still a little ambiguous, but the methodology seem to be consistent with how Goku attains it... you have to be on the brink of death and then (subconsciously) ascend to a realm of power in a desperate means to survive.

It's basically an extreme and more complicated version of the "Zenkai" power-up.

Goku almost died during his encounter with Hit (where Goku secretly contracted Hit to kill him) but he did not attain UI then, so IMO the spirit bomb did help Goku attain UI while the Desperate Will to Survive is what unlocked UI. (sorry for my bad english)

Anyway, in the next episode i think its SSB2 Vegeta and SSBKK Goku vs Serious Jiren
and did the new ending spoiled Universe 6 being wished back (if its true then i think its not only U6 getting wished back but all of the erased universe)

And please in the next arc, let the other minor characters (like Trio De Dangers, Katopesla, Maji Kayo, Ganos and etc. appear in a supporting role even for just a few episodes?)

[BWri]

Jiren battles SSJB Goku.
Jiren wastes SSJB Goku and Vegeta. At the same time.
Vegeta figures out Jiren's fighting pattern by observing his thrashing SSJB Goku.
SSJB is able to hold his own against Jiren and even catch him on the counterattack, surprising Jiren and everyone else.
Jiren then regains his composure quickly and thrashes SSJB Vegeta and starts no selling shit from SSJB Vegeta
Toppo emreges unscated from a Kamehemeha from Ultimate Gohan.
Dyspo gives Final Form Freeza a real runaround. And has Freeza (Final Form)
SSJB Vegeta hits Jiren with a Final Flash and Jiren no sells it.
Jiren knocks out Vegeta with a ki blast electric cage-like attack.

NEP teases that Vegeta was ascend beyond SSJB. We also see Goku with Kaioken stacked on top of Kaioken.

And we all laughed when SSBlue 2 could be a thing, Noah is gonna be a smug prick about this.

It'll likely just end up being mastered SSB from the manga. It's what I'm banking on. Or maybe a vague combination of MSSB, SSBI (blue ikari), and SSB2. Maybe it'll be SSBP (blue pride )

[PushoverMediaCritic]

Jiren battles SSJB Goku.
Jiren wastes SSJB Goku and Vegeta. At the same time.
Vegeta figures out Jiren's fighting pattern by observing his thrashing SSJB Goku.
SSJB is able to hold his own against Jiren and even catch him on the counterattack, surprising Jiren and everyone else.
Jiren then regains his composure quickly and thrashes SSJB Vegeta and starts no selling shit from SSJB Vegeta
Toppo emreges unscated from a Kamehemeha from Ultimate Gohan.
Dyspo gives Final Form Freeza a real runaround. And has Freeza (Final Form)
SSJB Vegeta hits Jiren with a Final Flash and Jiren no sells it.
Jiren knocks out Vegeta with a ki blast electric cage-like attack.

NEP teases that Vegeta was ascend beyond SSJB. We also see Goku with Kaioken stacked on top of Kaioken.

And we all laughed when SSBlue 2 could be a thing, Noah is gonna be a smug prick about this.

It'll likely just end up being mastered SSB from the manga. It's what I'm banking on. Or maybe a vague combination of MSSB, SSBI (blue ikari), and SSB2. Maybe it'll be SSBP (blue pride )

Mastered Blue doesn't have an aura, while Vegeta's new form's aura is an even deeper blue than SSB.

[BWri]

And we all laughed when SSBlue 2 could be a thing, Noah is gonna be a smug prick about this.

It'll likely just end up being mastered SSB from the manga. It's what I'm banking on. Or maybe a vague combination of MSSB, SSBI (blue ikari), and SSB2. Maybe it'll be SSBP (blue pride )

Mastered Blue doesn't have an aura, while Vegeta's new form's aura is an even deeper blue than SSB.

It has an aura? Sorry. I was just going by the ending image with him and UI Goku.

[majinwarman]

It'll likely just end up being mastered SSB from the manga. It's what I'm banking on. Or maybe a vague combination of MSSB, SSBI (blue ikari), and SSB2. Maybe it'll be SSBP (blue pride )

Mastered Blue doesn't have an aura, while Vegeta's new form's aura is an even deeper blue than SSB.

It has an aura? Sorry. I was just going by the ending image with him and UI Goku.

I believe the new ending was just showing Blue Vegeta. I don't think he's going to get a new form yet. But, if he does then I wouldn't mind it at all.

[Lord Frieza]

What lies beyond strenght? I don't understand what Jiren is talking about when he's asking Goku why he wants to become stronger. Maybe he wants to become immortal or something.

Maybe Jiren's asking because he's reached "ultimate strength", now life has lost meaning and he's trying to find a reason to keep going.

[Amir]

Mastered Blue doesn't have an aura, while Vegeta's new form's aura is an even deeper blue than SSB.

It has an aura? Sorry. I was just going by the ending image with him and UI Goku.

I believe the new ending was just showing Blue Vegeta. I don't think he's going to get a new form yet. But, if he does then I wouldn't mind it at all.

Did you not see the color of his hair, and the black pupils?

[BWri]

Mastered Blue doesn't have an aura, while Vegeta's new form's aura is an even deeper blue than SSB.

It has an aura? Sorry. I was just going by the ending image with him and UI Goku.

I believe the new ending was just showing Blue Vegeta. I don't think he's going to get a new form yet. But, if he does then I wouldn't mind it at all.

The eyes make it look like a new form and the darker tint of the hair. The eyes are ultra instincty, if that's a word.

[majinwarman]

It has an aura? Sorry. I was just going by the ending image with him and UI Goku.

I believe the new ending was just showing Blue Vegeta. I don't think he's going to get a new form yet. But, if he does then I wouldn't mind it at all.

The eyes make it look like a new form and the darker tint of the hair. The eyes are ultra instincty, if that's a word.

The eyes looked blue to me but we have to wait for next week to be sure. I'm willing to be wrong because I don't really care about arguing over it.

[ZombieVito]

Vegeta said that Jiren's the strongest person he's ever fought.
So if someone still thought Merged Zamasu was stronger than him... Forget it.

No one did. Corrupted Zamasu was just GoD tier.

Jiren is above the GoD's.

[PushoverMediaCritic]

Mastered Blue doesn't have an aura, while Vegeta's new form's aura is an even deeper blue than SSB.

It has an aura? Sorry. I was just going by the ending image with him and UI Goku.

I believe the new ending was just showing Blue Vegeta. I don't think he's going to get a new form yet. But, if he does then I wouldn't mind it at all.

Goku also literally says during the NEP that Vegeta has achieved a new form, and Blue Vegeta in the NEP has darker blue hair and aura than Goku's Blue does.

[BWri]

I believe the new ending was just showing Blue Vegeta. I don't think he's going to get a new form yet. But, if he does then I wouldn't mind it at all.

The eyes make it look like a new form and the darker tint of the hair. The eyes are ultra instincty, if that's a word.

The eyes looked blue to me but we have to wait for next week to be sure. I'm willing to be wrong because I don't really care about arguing over it.

It's cool, I'm not putting any stock in it either way. It is or it isn't. Will be fun to see what the hell it is next week.

[majinwarman]

It has an aura? Sorry. I was just going by the ending image with him and UI Goku.

I believe the new ending was just showing Blue Vegeta. I don't think he's going to get a new form yet. But, if he does then I wouldn't mind it at all.

Goku also literally says during the NEP that Vegeta has achieved a new form, and Blue Vegeta in the NEP has darker blue hair and aura than Goku's Blue does.

He said that Vegeta has achieved power beyond Blue. He didn't say a new form at all.