"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Honestly freeza should have stayed alive and fought for u7. Would've made the tournament more interesting. From then on it could go two ways. Beerus destroying him because he doesn't need him anymore (which would be cool and cement the fact that he isn't a good guy) or keep him around for some other role. Maybe he could be been the next God of destruction?

I can't agree with this. The whole point that Beerus and Whis tried to drill into Goku's head is that there are people who shouldn't be spared. Goku gave Freeza the chance to walk away and master his golden form and he blew it, and that's not even getting into the other chances Goku gave Freeza. What makes you think Freeza would fight on the side of Goku and the others during the U7 tournament? Freeza hates them, plain and simple. A person like Freeza can't be spared, otherwise he will just keep coming back and killing people.

And on him being a God of Destruction, no. Even a character like Beerus have boarders. Freeza has none.

[kinisking]

Honestly freeza should have stayed alive and fought for u7. Would've made the tournament more interesting. From then on it could go two ways. Beerus destroying him because he doesn't need him anymore (which would be cool and cement the fact that he isn't a good guy) or keep him around for some other role. Maybe he could be been the next God of destruction?

I can't agree with this. The whole point that Beerus and Whis tried to drill into Goku's head is that there are people who shouldn't be spared. Goku gave Freeza the chance to walk away and master his golden form and he blew it, and that's not even getting into the other chances Goku gave Freeza. What makes you think Freeza would fight on the side of Goku and the others during the U7 tournament? Freeza hates them, plain and simple. A person like Freeza can't be spared, otherwise he will just keep coming back and killing people.

And on him being a God of Destruction, no. Even a character like Beerus have boarders. Freeza has none.

Since when we're they trying to teach him that lesson. Damn am I already forgetting that arc? I thought whis was just trying to get him to stop putting his guard down. And besides, even if that was the lesson it's not like goku would ever listen. And the fact that Freeza is scared shitless of Beerus makes me think he would fight on their side. It would have been interesting to see Freeza get disgusted by frost, only to like him in the end. After that I wouldn't be surprised if Beerus killed him.

[fadeddreams5]

Honestly freeza should have stayed alive and fought for u7. Would've made the tournament more interesting. From then on it could go two ways. Beerus destroying him because he doesn't need him anymore (which would be cool and cement the fact that he isn't a good guy) or keep him around for some other role. Maybe he could be been the next God of destruction?

I can't agree with this. The whole point that Beerus and Whis tried to drill into Goku's head is that there are people who shouldn't be spared. Goku gave Freeza the chance to walk away and master his golden form and he blew it, and that's not even getting into the other chances Goku gave Freeza. What makes you think Freeza would fight on the side of Goku and the others during the U7 tournament? Freeza hates them, plain and simple. A person like Freeza can't be spared, otherwise he will just keep coming back and killing people.

And on him being a God of Destruction, no. Even a character like Beerus have boarders. Freeza has none.

Goku already learned not to spare anyone after the Namek saga. That whole tidbit with Whis and Beerus teaching Goku not to spare anyone is bullshit regression on the part of Super and RF.

[HeroR]

Honestly freeza should have stayed alive and fought for u7. Would've made the tournament more interesting. From then on it could go two ways. Beerus destroying him because he doesn't need him anymore (which would be cool and cement the fact that he isn't a good guy) or keep him around for some other role. Maybe he could be been the next God of destruction?

I can't agree with this. The whole point that Beerus and Whis tried to drill into Goku's head is that there are people who shouldn't be spared. Goku gave Freeza the chance to walk away and master his golden form and he blew it, and that's not even getting into the other chances Goku gave Freeza. What makes you think Freeza would fight on the side of Goku and the others during the U7 tournament? Freeza hates them, plain and simple. A person like Freeza can't be spared, otherwise he will just keep coming back and killing people.

And on him being a God of Destruction, no. Even a character like Beerus have boarders. Freeza has none.

Since when we're they trying to teach him that lesson. Damn am I already forgetting that arc? I thought whis was just trying to get him to stop putting his guard down. And besides, even if that was the lesson it's not like goku would ever listen. And the fact that Freeza is scared shitless of Beerus makes me think he would fight on their side. It would have been interesting to see Freeza get disgusted by frost, only to like him in the end. After that I wouldn't be surprised if Beerus killed him.

There were two lessons in the Resurrection 'F'' Saga and the movie for Goku. The first was that he was too relaxed, which leads to him dropping his guard, which is how Sorbet shoot him. The second lesson that both Whis and Beerus hammered into Goku was that his mercy towards Freeza allowed Freeza to destroy the Earth and give him his final victory. When Goku was kicking himself, he was mad that he showed mercy to Freeza despite knowing better.

Freeza is a creature who can never be shown mercy. Him working with Goku against U6, even Beerus breathing down his neck, simply wouldn't happened. His pride and hatred of Goku robs Freeza of all his common sense, as we saw when attacked Goku when he lost more than half of his body. Beerus doesn't even like Freeza. In the movie, he humored killing Freeza himself because he's a scumbag. He also disliked Frost for being like Freeza. Beerus may be a manchild asshole, but he does have standards.

[sintzu]

Use petty insults all you want since you can't get your facts straight,

I'd rather have smart discussions with someone that knows how to have them.

If Super decides to do that then that's the direction it should go.

what's important is for the show to be coherent. There's a difference between a show losing all identity just to please fans and tweaking stuff as it goes along.

What are you talking about ?

There's not much that can be discussed with someone who thinks everything Super does is perfect.

So you don't have an opinion on it, you just agree with whatever it does.

We're over 50 episodes in and I'm still waiting for it to be coherent and find its identity.

If he/she thinks something positive about SUPER that's an opinion of his/her own, therefore there's no lack of opinion.

There's no such thing as not having an opinion as even what you described is an opinion.

Blindly following what a company does regardless of you agreeing with it or not isn't much of an opinion.

[namekiansaiyan]

The tournament depends on how many participants for each universe, It should be 5 or the fans will end up rioting though.

1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3. Piccolo
4. Buu ?
5. Future Trunks ?

The tournament will be a free for all. They don't want to show the best universe, only the best fighter amongst all inhabitants.
So, even 100 fighters by universe. Even Yamcha could sign in.
Tests, broad preliminaries, then a 8 classic ending phase. Goku Vegeta Hit Cabba and someone else.
Don't EVEN think about a 30 or 20 new characters being introduced: that didn't happened in the DB golden age, it cannot happen now.

It won't be like that, Champa did not kill his fighters as he need them for the tournament. This is a fight between universes not in each universe. What is the point of having 2 people fighting from the same universe.

[Bullza]

RoF had no purpose at all, they had the opportunity of a cliffhanger in the end, like Freeza blowing Earth but staying alive and Goku, Vegeta couldn't use Namek DB to restore everything for some plot reason, but nah let's just end like the standard Toei Movies, the villain dies, Goku saves the day, the end.

I don't think something like that would really work. Cliffhangers are better suited to TV series than a movie where you'd have to wait 2-3 years to see what happens next. They'd also have to guarantee that the movie would be successful enough to get a follow up.

There could have been more to Frieza 's revival if it were like the sagas they're doing now where they aren't limited for time but they only had 90 minutes for the movie and I think killing him off again at the end was probably for the best.

[sintzu]

They'd also have to guarantee that the movie would be successful enough to get a follow up.

I think killing him off again at the end was probably for the best.

BOG should've been more then enough to guarantee it being successful.

Why bring him back then ? if they weren't going to do anything with him then they should've just introduced a new villain instead cause not only would the story be the same, it would've ended up better cause they wouldn't be wasting a great villain like Freeza and we'd get someone new.

[HeroR]

RoF had no purpose at all, they had the opportunity of a cliffhanger in the end, like Freeza blowing Earth but staying alive and Goku, Vegeta couldn't use Namek DB to restore everything for some plot reason, but nah let's just end like the standard Toei Movies, the villain dies, Goku saves the day, the end.

I don't think something like that would really work. Cliffhangers are better suited to TV series than a movie where you'd have to wait 2-3 years to see what happens next. They'd also have to guarantee that the movie would be successful enough to get a follow up.

There could have been more to Frieza 's revival if it were like the sagas they're doing now where they aren't limited for time but they only had 90 minutes for the movie and I think killing him off again at the end was probably for the best.

And Freeza really couldn't live in the end. Goku tried to spare Freeza several times and Freeza kept coming back and in the movie, blew up the planet. A monster like that can't become a recurring villain like the Joker since Freeza is pure spite after Goku beat him.

[sintzu]

A monster like that can't become a recurring villain like the Joker since Freeza is pure spite after Goku beat him.

Instead of Whis rewinding time they could've had earth be the reason for doing the tournament so whoever won would get their earth back and instead of coming up with a Freeza clone for U6, Vados could've brought Freeza along after finding him in space.

In terms of Vegeta, Goku could've grabbed him before the planet exploded.

I understand why they didn't do this cause planning 5 minutes ahead would require time that could be used to count merchandise $$$ instead.

[ekrolo2]

The primary issue with F was Freeza handling. His fight against everyone on Namek essentially breaks him over a long period of time, the movie kept him in some weird place where he's polite but can turn completely insane at the drop of the hat. Which we've already seen before. The smart thing would've been for Freeza to reinvent himself into a more pragmatic antagonist. How interesting would it be to have your villain be the one to get character development while the good guys are the ones floundering in their old ways still.

[Bullza]

BOG should've been more then enough to guarantee it being successful.

Why bring him back then ? if they weren't going to do anything with him then they should've just introduced a new villain instead cause not only would the story be the same, it would've ended up better cause they wouldn't be wasting a great villain like Freeza and we'd get someone new.

Well yeah Battle of Gods was successful but you can never be sure. A Hunter X Hunter movie came out just before BoG and it made ¥1.21 billion, it got a sequel which then only made ¥690 million and there's been no other movie since.

The movies plot was pretty straightforward and had the same plotline of the older Toei movies. Villain shows up, causes trouble, dies at the end. It's a story that takes place over a couple hours of the characters lives.

Putting Frieza in that role almost certainly made the movie more successful and brought the movie far more interest than if it had been just some new villain.

It also made the movie better because we were already familiar with the character, his history and his relationship with other characters so it was satisfying seeing Vegeta him up.

So simply put with the simplistic plot that the movie had, if they'd had a new villain it wouldn't have been as interesting or as successful.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

What are you talking about ?

There's not much that can be discussed with someone who thinks everything Super does is perfect.

So you don't have an opinion on it, you just agree with whatever it does.

We're over 50 episodes in and I'm still waiting for it to be coherent and find its identity.

If he/she thinks something positive about SUPER that's an opinion of his/her own, therefore there's no lack of opinion.

There's no such thing as not having an opinion as even what you described is an opinion.

Blindly following what a company does regardless of you agreeing with it or not isn't much of an opinion.

1. Just because we think something positive about Super doesn't mean we think we it's perfect,I have my problems with it.
2. What's your definition of coherent and identity?(Don't reply using BS power levels with the former) Every story arc so far has been connected with previous story arcs events and didnt event happens because of nothing.
3. How exactly am I blindly following TOEI? I point out above that I have problems.
It can be said that you also "blindly" follow them by the mere fact of keeping up to date with series, even going as far pirate their product just to keep being updated.

[sintzu]

It was satisfying seeing Vegeta him up.

This was the only thing that redeemed it from being a complete waste of time.

[sintzu]

1. Just because we think something positive about Super doesn't mean we think we it's perfect,I have my problems with it.

2. What's your definition of coherent and identity?

3. How exactly am I blindly following TOEI? I point out above that I have problems.

It can be said that you also "blindly" follow them by the mere fact of keeping up to date with series, even going as far pirate their product just to keep being updated.

He does.

The arcs leading into one another and characters developing throughout them would make it coherent.

Knowing what it wants to do and be would give it an identity.

I wasn't talking about you.

Of course I follow it, it's part of my favorite franchise but that doesn't mean I agree with everything they do.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

We got to hear Ayers again. That's enough reason to bring Freeza back. (and Nakao).

Was his revival a waste? Sure. But they didn't have anything planned for after movie so they needed to tie the movie up. Now the retelling was a perfect opportunity to make something out of the movie but they dropped the ball so hard and we got a much much much worser rendition of that story.

Side comment- Having Frost turn out to be essentially a U6 Freeza was made worse by the fact that we had an entire Freeza arc literally before.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

That's enough reason to bring Freeza back. (and Nakao).

This. The only reason why i even watched F was cause of Nakao.

- Travis

[alakazam^]

What are you talking about ?

There's not much that can be discussed with someone who thinks everything Super does is perfect.

So you don't have an opinion on it, you just agree with whatever it does.

We're over 50 episodes in and I'm still waiting for it to be coherent and find its identity.

Blindly following what a company does regardless of you agreeing with it or not isn't much of an opinion.

I'm talking about you using "fanboy" as an insult instead of coming up with a proper argument, although that's par for the course with you. If you're still waiting is because you're not paying enough attention, which shows when all you do is complain and make stuff up. It's time to accept F was factually a successful movie even if it didn't live up to your ideas for it and that Super, while having issues, is successful as well. You don't need to like Toriyama's plot but using cop-out reasons like "oh, Toei/Toriyama was afraid to write x" is ridiculous and makes people think you're only posting out of spite instead of having a well-thought-out argument.

So, I don't have an opinion or I have one and it's just not much of an opinion? How does that work? Again, you're making stuff up and you don't get to define what is an opinion or not. I never stated what you said I did and I'd appreciate if you had proof to back your claims up. By this point, it just looks like you're getting defensive because someone dares not think Super is bad.

Instead of Whis rewinding time they could've had earth be the reason for doing the tournament so whoever won would get their earth back and instead of coming up with a Freeza clone for U6, Vados could've brought Freeza along after finding him in space.

In terms of Vegeta, Goku could've grabbed him before the planet exploded.

I understand why they didn't do this cause planning 5 minutes ahead would require time that could be used to count merchandise $$$ instead.

Toriyama wrote the movie, not "they" and you do realize F was supposed to be a standalone movie, right? There was no follow up at that time so what you are suggesting wouldn't be in anyone's mind. But ok, let's ignore it just like you do. So, they didn't have time to plan stuff ahead because they had to count money, right? Well, if the shareholders had money to count in the first place, it means the franchise was in a good place and that's why F got made. Surely, it would serve no one's interest if the movie was half-assed, right? Going by the box office numbers it did great and, most likely, was the reason Super got greenlit. The same Super that retold the two previous movies but, although making sense in order to have a coherent story, would they spend half an year on it had they not been received well? Why isn't Super a GT sequel?

If you don't like something, admit it. Don't come up with poor excuses like saying Toei/Toriyama has a secret agenda to hate on characters or is afraid to go "serious". There's no proof for that, you can't back it up, that's not a proper argument and that's why you find it hard to properly discuss about it.

[Luso Saiyan]

The arcs leading into one another and characters developing throughout them would make it coherent.

That's exactly what we got (and are getting).

[Shuby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0ffdeJ77Bo

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