DragonBall: Raging Blast (PS3/360)

Vino · Post by **Vino** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:17 am

It's nice to see Vegeta finally archiving SSJ3 form. Any possibilities for SSJ Bardock and Raditz?

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:50 am

I never thought I'd see this day! SSJ3 VEGETA!

And what with all the extra goodies and whatnot, there's my pre-order for the PS3 Limited Edition...

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:29 am

Hm... Super Saiya-jin 3 Vegeta. Nay. I wanted Super Saiya-jin 3 Vegetto.

goku the krump dancer · Post by **goku the krump dancer** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:02 pm

Cold Skin wrote:You guys shouldn't worry about your personnal fantasies not being shown this time, they probably will.

Just like these, popular fandom imagination or question we've all wondered (what if Boo had absorbed someone else, what if Cell had absorbed someone else, what if Yamcha and Ten Shin Han had fused, what if Raditz and else turned into giant apes...) will probably be the inspiration of several new what-if characters in sequels/DLCs.

And don't worry about seeing a Super Saiyan 5: I don't think they'll ever do that, because it's not based on anything existing, they wouldn't invent a transformation from scratch or from fans' crazy imagination, it would lead to a mess and be obviously going too far (if they did, then why not Super Saiyan 6, 7, 8, 9...).
I think they're mostly making a "transfer" for transformations that were meant for another character, like "what if A had gone through the same transformation than B?": they did it with the giant apes, with the fusios, now they do it with the Super Saiyan 3...

Next stop Super Saiyan 4 for Gohan, Trunks and Goten? Hum, not sure, since it is often said that only pure-blooded Saiyan can go there, so it would be a risk to offend fans with something that is widely said as being impossible...

Super Saiyan Raditz, Tullece and Nappa are more likely (they wouldn't have to worry much about Nappa's hair at least... ).

And having a separate character for what-if transformations could be the right way not to offend fans: I think most of them want to play with the characters they know from the manga and TV shows, meaning the original Vegeta who never went Super Saiyan 3. If they played with the regular Vegeta and he could become a Super Saiyan 3, they might not feel like they're playing the REAL Vegeta. That's my guess anyway...

But did it feel unnatural when playing as goku in B3 and turning SSJ4.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:11 pm

Krakabeast wrote:I wonder how the online battles are going to work out. I hope it is interseting because everything else about this game, except SSJ3 Broly and Vegeta, looks pretty much bland to me. Seems like just another Dragon Ball fighting game that I will be playing for a week to unlock everything and be done with it.

Give us something to really toy around with!

My thoughts exactly. Which is why I'm hoping I can extend the replayability with everyone else here that has XBL. I have a feeling I'm going to enjoy playing the Wii title more, if not for the fact, that it's at least something new.

Cold Skin · Post by **Cold Skin** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:18 pm

goku the krump dancer wrote: But did it feel unnatural when playing as goku in B3 and turning SSJ4.

Good point! It did feel natural to me actually, cause the character does exist (in the anime at least). It is really Son Goku and what he becomes storywise (if we take in account the GT events). So it's true that we skip the fact that he's supposed to be little when he can turn Super Saiyan 4, but it's not shocking because he ends up really doing that, and it is obviously the very same Super Saiyan 4 he would become whether he's little or not. So, I don't know if I make my point clear, but it's still the character of the anime.

So sure, it skips the fact that he's little, but turning Vegeta into a Super Saiyan when he has his Saiyan armor also mix the past and future of a same character and is not shocking, is not out of character, though it is a logical impossibility, you are playing the real Vegeta.

But... how can explain this? It's hard to explain what I mean, but it's like if you could turn Baddack Super Saiyan. Sure, it would be cool, but wouldn't you feel like "it's not the Baddack from the movie, it's a Baddack that never existed at any point and isn't part of any Dragon Ball existing). That's why, having him as a separate character while still being able to play the original might be better to feel like you're really that character from the show. That's what I think, but obviously, it doesn't mean I'm right, maybe most players would be unshocked or even happy if the unexisting character was mixed with the existing one. At least, judging by Super Saiyan 3 Broly being separate from regular movie Broly, it seems the developers think so too.

But when you think about it, the giant ape Nappa, Raditz, Tullece never happened and yet they were part of the regular character and no one complained about it, so... But maybe it's because it's logical that they can. In the case of Raging Blast, people could argue that the original characters CAN'T be that way: they could say Broly supposedly can't go Super Saiyan 3 and therefore being happy to have the normal Broly, or that Vegeta being unable to reach Super Saiyan 3 is part of his character as in the manga/anime, etc, etc...

But I guess it's a safety solution to have the what-if as separate characters, so that fans unhappy with those fantasies can just forget about them and not select them at all... Fans thinking "it's just a mess, why did they give him the ability to go Super Saiyan 3" can just face the "normal" Broly/Vegeta, and fans thinking "finally, Super Saiyan 3 comes real for him", can face the "fantasy" Broly/Vegeta. Everybody's happy that way, the little price to pay being that those who want them to be able to transform from normal to Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan 3 won't be satisfy, but that's the least insatisfaction I guess...

B · Post by B » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:18 pm

Vino wrote:It's nice to see Vegeta finally archiving SSJ3 form. Any possibilities for SSJ Bardock and Raditz?

What did they do to deserve that form? Exist?

Fox_Boogie · Post by **Fox_Boogie** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:58 pm

B wrote:
Vino wrote:It's nice to see Vegeta finally archiving SSJ3 form. Any possibilities for SSJ Bardock and Raditz?
What did they do to deserve that form? Exist?

Yeah, Bardock and Radditz have no business bein' SSJ3. That is very much too far fetched.

Those that can't even achieve the first Super Saiya-jin level are out of the question for SSJ3! Fantasy or no fantasy, let's not be abuse!

Besides, Vegeta was closer than anyone for that !

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:01 pm

No one said Super Saiyan 3 Bardock and Raditz, they said Super Saiyan, and it would be badass.

Vino · Post by **Vino** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:12 pm

B wrote:
Vino wrote:It's nice to see Vegeta finally archiving SSJ3 form. Any possibilities for SSJ Bardock and Raditz?
What did they do to deserve that form? Exist?

Nothing, hence its "what if"

What did Broly do to archive SSJ3? he didn't do shit, Vegeta also didn't reach SSJ3 either.

I'm just saying that if they're adding what if characters, they might as well include Bardock transforming into SSJ and beating Freeza, that would be a nice scenario.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:18 pm

Vino wrote:I'm just saying that if they're adding what if characters, they might as well include Bardock transforming into SSJ and beating Freeza, that would be a nice scenario.

Super Saiyan is a x50 increase.

Bardock was roughly 10,000.

SS Bardock would be 500,000.

First Form Freeza was 530,000.

In fact, Super Saiyan 4 Bardock would still be only 25% of Freeza's full power.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:31 pm

Rocketman wrote:In fact, Super Saiyan 4 Bardock would still be only 25% of Freeza's full power.

I can kick Kid Boo's ass with Videl in BT3.

It would just be a cool what if, never mind the battle power difference, the fight would still be cool.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:35 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:
Rocketman wrote:In fact, Super Saiyan 4 Bardock would still be only 25% of Freeza's full power.
I can kick Kid Boo's ass with Videl in BT3.

Yeah, I know. I just thought it was funny how completely overpowered Freeza was.

SSJmole · Post by **SSJmole** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:55 pm

If they do what if transformations again, I'd like more fun ones than "blonde hair" Like the following :

Super Buu with Vegetto absorbed.
Cell with 16 Absorbed
Goku and Piccolo fused (either method.)
Frieza with an extra cooler like transformation.

Or a big What if like "What if Goku never hit his head" I see this one playing like Future trunks shows up and noticces the earth is in ruins much sooner than it should be. After a few fights he encounters why. Goku but in saiyan armour and evil.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:16 pm

SSJmole wrote:Cell with 16 Absorbed

Cell can't absorb #16. He tried to, but couldn't.

SSJmole · Post by **SSJmole** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:40 pm

Rocketman wrote:
SSJmole wrote:Cell with 16 Absorbed
Cell can't absorb #16. He tried to, but couldn't.

That's why it's what-if. Vegeta can't go SSJ 3 in fact even in GT he skipped it and went straight for SSJ4. So What if Cell could absorb 16? What would his new form look like?

You see where I'm going? It's like my Super Buu with Vegetto absorbed. He couldn't fully absorb him as we saw and they separated inside and freed everyone. But What-if it had worked? How would Buu look, what moves would he do ect...

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:42 pm

He tried stealing his energy, which he couldn't. He never tried to absorb him the way he did #17 and #18.

JamieDBZFan1995 · Post by **JamieDBZFan1995** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:10 pm

Does anyone know when the Achievements will be released? The game comes out in under two weeks.

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:00 pm

RoarkVegeta wrote:Hm... Super Saiya-jin 3 Vegeta. Nay. I wanted Super Saiya-jin 3 Vegetto.

I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing SSJ3 Gogeta and Vegetto in Raging Blast 2

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:41 am

I really don't get what's with people and Cell absorbing someone else, he was MADE to absorb ONLY #17 and #18, it's not possible for him to absorb anyone else, in fact, after he reaches his perfect form, he cannot absorb anyone or anything else, despite what GT leads us to believe.

Vegeta didn't skip to SS4, he cheated to get it. And he COULD achieve SS3, with enough training and time.

Cell absorbing someone else is like Piririn, Kuririn and Piccolo are beings from completely different races, they are different in size, power, everything, according to the rules of dance fusion, it could never happen. Cell could not absorb anyone else according to the rules of his own creation, of his own body. Even if he absorbed #18 first and then #17 it would not make any difference. Anyone who thinks that is just grabbing at straws. The maximum you're gonna get is Super Cell, that really buffed form, because even if he transformed into something like a SS3, it would not make any physical difference.

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