"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[ToshioWrites]

I have a feeling the manga is going to go the boring route by just having the one form of Ultra Instinct that Goku will get at the very end.

I wouldn't mind that actually. While it was hype in the anime, the manga obviously can't have the animation/music that helped make he moment and Goku pulling the form out 1 time when he needs it is more swallowable for me then it just activating 3 seperate times on its own.

[Marlowe89]

I have a feeling the manga is going to go the boring route by just having the one form of Ultra Instinct that Goku will get at the very end.

I'd vastly prefer that to him activating it three times in the arc and accomplishing nothing the first time or the third time until he obtains the completed version.

[dbzfan7]

I have a feeling the manga is going to go the boring route by just having the one form of Ultra Instinct that Goku will get at the very end.

I'd vastly prefer that to him activating it three times in the arc and accomplishing nothing the first time or the third time until he obtains the completed version.

I'd prefer that too than pulling the form out of his butt 3 times in a row.

[jeffbr92]

I don't know, though it was annoying to see him using for three times, at least it was shown was something he had no full control yet... If people are complaining about Hakai being an asspull to Goku, imagine him having UI mastered in the very first time?

[Bullza]

I'd vastly prefer that to him activating it three times in the arc and accomplishing nothing the first time or the third time until he obtains the completed version.

It's that what made Ultra Instinct better in the first place and separate of it from all the other forms.

Him just getting the Mastered Ultra Instinct from the start and that being his power has been done over and over. Him gradually gaining and losing it to in an attempt to finally get the hang of it hasn't been done before.

[Marlowe89]

It's that what made Ultra Instinct better in the first place and separate of it from all the other forms.

Him just getting the Mastered Ultra Instinct from the start and that being his power has been done over and over. Him gradually gaining and losing it to in an attempt to finally get the hang of it hasn't been done before.

I'd disagree with the implication that it's automatically better because it hasn't been done before. Having Goku learn to master its abilities gradually is a potentially interesting concept, but not when it's implemented on 3 (THREE) separate occasions in the same tournament that all usually end in a failure to fully grasp the form. It's certainly not as exciting by the third time since, as a viewer, you know exactly what to expect and you're kinda just waiting for the completed version to show up so the real fight can begin.

[batistabus]

The only reason people are so obsessed with the idea that Toei/Toriyama "dropped the ball" on Goku being responsible for the destruction of universes is entirely due to the anime playing it up so much initially. The manga reconciles it immediately, and nobody really bothers Goku about it except for Hit in jest. Besides, if anyone is truly to blame for the Tournament of Power, it's Beerus and Champa. Zeno decided to hold the tournament because he was inspired by their petty feud, but again, it's really a chance for survival above all. If Goku didn't remind Zeno about the tournament, it's possible he would have forgotten about it until after Goku/Vegeta died, at which point Universe 7 likely wouldn't stand a chance.

[OLKv3]

-Volume 5 bonus pages-

I was expecting Toyotaro to draw a bonus page with Beerus using Hakai in front of Goku and Vegeta, even though I doubt a scene like that happening off-screen wouldn't feel forced.
Seems like he didn't. It's a plothole then! Both Goku and Vegeta know about Hakai, even though they never watched it on-screen and there's no mention when they learn about it off-screen. Toyotaro probably got confused with the anime, since Goku was there when Beerus erased Present Zamasu.

Dude, that's not a plothole. They just saw it offscreen, since they constantly train on his planet.

[Cipher]

The only reason people are so obsessed with the idea that Toei/Toriyama "dropped the ball" on Goku being responsible for the destruction of universes is entirely due to the anime playing it up so much initially. The manga reconciles it immediately, and nobody really bothers Goku about it except for Hit in jest. Besides, if anyone is truly to blame for the Tournament of Power, it's Beerus and Champa. Zeno decided to hold the tournament because he was inspired by their petty feud, but again, it's really a chance for survival above all. If Goku didn't remind Zeno about the tournament, it's possible he would have forgotten about it until after Goku/Vegeta died, at which point Universe 7 likely wouldn't stand a chance.

Yep. I'm fine with it either being or not being an element—just so long as it isn't presented as a major source of conflict then half-heartedly backed away from (depending on who's writing that week).

[OLKv3]

The only reason people are so obsessed with the idea that Toei/Toriyama "dropped the ball" on Goku being responsible for the destruction of universes is entirely due to the anime playing it up so much initially. The manga reconciles it immediately, and nobody really bothers Goku about it except for Hit in jest. Besides, if anyone is truly to blame for the Tournament of Power, it's Beerus and Champa. Zeno decided to hold the tournament because he was inspired by their petty feud, but again, it's really a chance for survival above all. If Goku didn't remind Zeno about the tournament, it's possible he would have forgotten about it until after Goku/Vegeta died, at which point Universe 7 likely wouldn't stand a chance.

Yep. I'm fine with it either being or not being an element—just so long as it isn't presented as a major source of conflict then half-heartedly backed away from (depending on who's writing that week).

The anime also brought up another plot point and then dropped it. Remember how they couldn't sense Trio De Danger's ki? And said this will be a major factor in the ToP? It was never brought up again

[Hawk9211]

The only reason people are so obsessed with the idea that Toei/Toriyama "dropped the ball" on Goku being responsible for the destruction of universes is entirely due to the anime playing it up so much initially. The manga reconciles it immediately, and nobody really bothers Goku about it except for Hit in jest. Besides, if anyone is truly to blame for the Tournament of Power, it's Beerus and Champa. Zeno decided to hold the tournament because he was inspired by their petty feud, but again, it's really a chance for survival above all. If Goku didn't remind Zeno about the tournament, it's possible he would have forgotten about it until after Goku/Vegeta died, at which point Universe 7 likely wouldn't stand a chance.

Yep. I'm fine with it either being or not being an element—just so long as it isn't presented as a major source of conflict then half-heartedly backed away from (depending on who's writing that week).

The anime also brought up another plot point and then dropped it. Remember how they couldn't send Trio De Danger's ki? And said this will be a major factor in the ToP? It was never brought up again

Along with charging hakai energy,but this belong in the anime vs. manga thread.

[emperior]

The only reason people are so obsessed with the idea that Toei/Toriyama "dropped the ball" on Goku being responsible for the destruction of universes is entirely due to the anime playing it up so much initially. The manga reconciles it immediately, and nobody really bothers Goku about it except for Hit in jest. Besides, if anyone is truly to blame for the Tournament of Power, it's Beerus and Champa. Zeno decided to hold the tournament because he was inspired by their petty feud, but again, it's really a chance for survival above all. If Goku didn't remind Zeno about the tournament, it's possible he would have forgotten about it until after Goku/Vegeta died, at which point Universe 7 likely wouldn't stand a chance.

Yep. I'm fine with it either being or not being an element—just so long as it isn't presented as a major source of conflict then half-heartedly backed away from (depending on who's writing that week).

The anime also brought up another plot point and then dropped it. Remember how they couldn't sense Trio De Danger's ki? And said this will be a major factor in the ToP? It was never brought up again

Actually Goku in the ToP said he was having trouble with U9 because he couldn’t sense their ki.

[DBZ Macky]

It's that what made Ultra Instinct better in the first place and separate of it from all the other forms.

Him just getting the Mastered Ultra Instinct from the start and that being his power has been done over and over. Him gradually gaining and losing it to in an attempt to finally get the hang of it hasn't been done before.

I'd disagree with the implication that it's automatically better because it hasn't been done before. Having Goku learn to master its abilities gradually is a potentially interesting concept, but not when it's implemented on 3 (THREE) separate occasions in the same tournament that all usually end in a failure to fully grasp the form. It's certainly not as exciting by the third time since, as a viewer, you know exactly what to expect and you're kinda just waiting for the completed version to show up so the real fight can begin.

Exactly. This was probably why EP129 wasn't as enjoyable as it could've been. Most of us were just waiting for Goku to go full Blanco the whole time.

[alakazam^]

He absolutely is. Although Zeno is explained to have been dissatisfied with the number of Universes on his own, Goku definitely expedited the move to consolidate.

Goku speeded things up but the arc would happen eventually, which is what I was saying.

You should consider this as well:

Besides, if anyone is truly to blame for the Tournament of Power, it's Beerus and Champa. Zeno decided to hold the tournament because he was inspired by their petty feud

So, Goku interacting with Zen'ou doesn't lead to anything in and of itself.

[OLKv3]

He absolutely is. Although Zeno is explained to have been dissatisfied with the number of Universes on his own, Goku definitely expedited the move to consolidate.

Goku speeded things up but the arc would happen eventually, which is what I was saying.

You should consider this as well:

Besides, if anyone is truly to blame for the Tournament of Power, it's Beerus and Champa. Zeno decided to hold the tournament because he was inspired by their petty feud

So, Goku interacting with Zen'ou doesn't lead to anything in and of itself.

The only reason the arc is happening is because there are 2 Zenos. That only happened because of Goku. So it's still his fault either way

[TheMikado]

He absolutely is. Although Zeno is explained to have been dissatisfied with the number of Universes on his own, Goku definitely expedited the move to consolidate.

Goku speeded things up but the arc would happen eventually, which is what I was saying.

You should consider this as well:

Besides, if anyone is truly to blame for the Tournament of Power, it's Beerus and Champa. Zeno decided to hold the tournament because he was inspired by their petty feud

So, Goku interacting with Zen'ou doesn't lead to anything in and of itself.

The only reason the arc is happening is because there are 2 Zenos. That only happened because of Goku. So it's still his fault either way

The Future Trunks arc empirically proves and dispels the myth that the ToP would have occurred without Goku, at least within the 20 years which we saw into the future.

Without two Zenos and the idea of a tournament, none of this happens.

[ToshioWrites]

Hopefully the manga takes time to explain jiren and belmod's connection/ how he got so strong and what his wish is. The anime could tell us this stuff in episode 130 but considering the past two episodes have expounded nothing more on his story, I have doubts 130 will be anything other than Goku's swan song

[prince212]

This link goes to a web that shows all the new drawings contain in vol.5 manga
https://dragonballsuper-france.fr/drago ... -inedites/

[OLKv3]

Hopefully the manga takes time to explain jiren and belmod's connection/ how he got so strong and what his wish is. The anime could tell us this stuff in episode 130 but considering the past two episodes have expounded nothing more on his story, I have doubts 130 will be anything other than Goku's swan song

The anime explained Belmod's connection to Jiren. He found out about Jiren's desire for power above all and was touched and impressed

[ToshioWrites]

Hopefully the manga takes time to explain jiren and belmod's connection/ how he got so strong and what his wish is. The anime could tell us this stuff in episode 130 but considering the past two episodes have expounded nothing more on his story, I have doubts 130 will be anything other than Goku's swan song

The anime explained Belmod's connection to Jiren. He found out about Jiren's desire for power above all and was touched and impressed

That’s too basic for me atleast . Did belmod train him or what? What is their relationship like? I know more about ribrianne than the antagonist of this arc