"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Shuby]

But yeah i am done talking with apologists lol watch this average-tier anime while i watch some good animes.

Is it so bad that it's not worth watching for free ?

Even average things are watched for free wonder who aside from fanboys would pay to see Super after reading time and time again or watching vids of how Super is suffering. Especially in the early days BOG and ROF arcs which do count.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Yep 2,000 views, clearly every DB fan agrees with him.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Actually just over 120 viewers agree with his opinion, IT MUST CLEARLY BE A FACT!!!

[Shuby]

Yep 2,000 views, clearly every DB fan agrees with him.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Actually just over 120 viewers agree with his opinion, IT MUST CLEARLY BE A FACT!!!

Even if some did not agree , no one cant deny that he makes some valid points, honestly, I don't care that Goku and Vegeta are the strongest, it's just that no one else gets a moment in this show. I can go to DBZ and watch an epic fight of Piccolo vs Frieza, Trunks vs Cell, Kid Gohan vs Ginyu(Goku's body), Tien blasting Cell.Now it's entirely Goku and Vegeta and it's annoying. No one gets a chance to shine in this show anymore. No one.

[ArchedThunder]

Yep 2,000 views, clearly every DB fan agrees with him.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Actually just over 120 viewers agree with his opinion, IT MUST CLEARLY BE A FACT!!!

Even if some did not agree , no one cant deny that he makes some valid points, honestly, I don't care that Goku and Vegeta are the strongest, it's just that no one else gets a moment in this show. I can go to DBZ and watch an epic fight of Piccolo vs Frieza, Trunks vs Cell, Kid Gohan vs Ginyu(Goku's body), Tien blasting Cell.Now it's entirely Goku and Vegeta and it's annoying. No one gets a chance to shine in this show anymore. No one.

Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, Roshi and Tenshinahan all got to shine in early F. Piccolo also got a solid enough fight in the Champa arc. We're at the very beginning of a new arc and we have no idea where it's going.

[Shuby]

Actually just over 120 viewers agree with his opinion, IT MUST CLEARLY BE A FACT!!!

Even if some did not agree , no one cant deny that he makes some valid points, honestly, I don't care that Goku and Vegeta are the strongest, it's just that no one else gets a moment in this show. I can go to DBZ and watch an epic fight of Piccolo vs Frieza, Trunks vs Cell, Kid Gohan vs Ginyu(Goku's body), Tien blasting Cell.Now it's entirely Goku and Vegeta and it's annoying. No one gets a chance to shine in this show anymore. No one.

Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, Roshi and Tenshinahan all got to shine in early F. Piccolo also got a solid enough fight in the Champa arc. We're at the very beginning of a new arc and we have no idea where it's going.

If you really think that is shining or a moment of shining then... oh well you are probably an apologist too

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, Roshi and Tenshinahan all got to shine in early F. Piccolo also got a solid enough fight in the Champa arc. We're at the very beginning of a new arc and we have no idea where it's going.

If you really think that is shining or a moment of shining then... oh well you are probably an apologist too

Super´s shining moments are no different DBZ´s shining moments, both shows had the secondary characters have minor low key fights.

[Shuby]

Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, Roshi and Tenshinahan all got to shine in early F. Piccolo also got a solid enough fight in the Champa arc. We're at the very beginning of a new arc and we have no idea where it's going.

If you really think that is shining or a moment of shining then... oh well you are probably an apologist too

Super´s shining moments are no different DBZ´s shining moments, both shows had the secondary characters have minor low key fights.

Because Piccolo vs the andriods and Frieza, because Gohan vs Frieza , Cell and Buu and Dabura , because Tien vs Cell , Because Krillin had little relevance in the Cell arc because Goten and Trunks relevance in the Buu arc because everyone at the end helped to defeat Buu because aplogists.

[fadeddreams5]

General character utilization isn't really a major issue with Super. The same thing happened after the Cell saga, and that was inevitable given how the stories are structured and powers are scaled every arc.

Like, I can't fathom why people would even want characters like Yamcha, Tien, or Krillin to contribute anything of major significance. As a kid, I didn't care about them, as they were seen as fodder to me. As an adult, I care even less. It's nice to see them around and act as support, but that's about.

What's inexcusable is sidelining characters like Gohan, Gotenks, and Buu, when they were all on par with or stronger than Goku and Vegeta at the start of this series, and have the potential to be greater than them. It's even more inexcusable when you have a tournament arc where only Goku and Vegeta participate.

Then there's character portrayals in general, which have been dreadful.

But really, this is all factored into the same thing: bad writing.

[Soppa Saia People]

General character utilization isn't really a major issue with Super. The same thing happened after the Cell saga, and that was inevitable given how the stories are structured and powers are scaled every arc.

Like, I can't fathom why people would even want characters like Yamcha, Tien, or Krillin to contribute anything of major significance. As a kid, I didn't care about them, as they were seen as fodder to me. As an adult, I care even less. It's nice to see them around and act as support, but that's about.

What's inexcusable is sidelining characters like Gohan, Gotenks, and Buu, when they were all on par with or stronger than Goku and Vegeta at the start of this series, and have the potential to be greater than them. It's even more inexcusable when you have a tournament arc where only Goku and Vegeta participate.

Then there's character portrayals in general, which have been dreadful.

But really, this is all factored into the same thing: bad writing.

Maybe because they like those characters and would like them to be relevant, obviously Yamucha shouldn't kill Freeza in one punch, but still, it's not that hard to fathom.

[dbzfan7]

General character utilization isn't really a major issue with Super. The same thing happened after the Cell saga, and that was inevitable given how the stories are structured and powers are scaled every arc.

Like, I can't fathom why people would even want characters like Yamcha, Tien, or Krillin to contribute anything of major significance. As a kid, I didn't care about them, as they were seen as fodder to me. As an adult, I care even less. It's nice to see them around and act as support, but that's about.

What's inexcusable is sidelining characters like Gohan, Gotenks, and Buu, when they were all on par with or stronger than Goku and Vegeta at the start of this series, and have the potential to be greater than them. It's even more inexcusable when you have a tournament arc where only Goku and Vegeta participate.

Then there's character portrayals in general, which have been dreadful.

But really, this is all factored into the same thing: bad writing.

Maybe because they like those characters and would like them to be relevant, obviously Yamucha shouldn't kill Freeza in one punch, but still, it's not that hard to fathom.

It is hard to fathom. People should be happy they're living how they want to live, and are completely irrelevant to story. They should be happy for characters who aren't real, and treat them like real people.

[Soppa Saia People]

General character utilization isn't really a major issue with Super. The same thing happened after the Cell saga, and that was inevitable given how the stories are structured and powers are scaled every arc.

Like, I can't fathom why people would even want characters like Yamcha, Tien, or Krillin to contribute anything of major significance. As a kid, I didn't care about them, as they were seen as fodder to me. As an adult, I care even less. It's nice to see them around and act as support, but that's about.

What's inexcusable is sidelining characters like Gohan, Gotenks, and Buu, when they were all on par with or stronger than Goku and Vegeta at the start of this series, and have the potential to be greater than them. It's even more inexcusable when you have a tournament arc where only Goku and Vegeta participate.

Then there's character portrayals in general, which have been dreadful.

But really, this is all factored into the same thing: bad writing.

Maybe because they like those characters and would like them to be relevant, obviously Yamucha shouldn't kill Freeza in one punch, but still, it's not that hard to fathom.

It is hard to fathom. People should be happy they're living how they want to live, and are completely irrelevant to story. They should be happy for characters who aren't real, and treat them like real people.

Is that sarcasm ? Not trying to be a dick but that seems ridiculous.

[namekiansaiyan]

General character utilization isn't really a major issue with Super. The same thing happened after the Cell saga, and that was inevitable given how the stories are structured and powers are scaled every arc.

Like, I can't fathom why people would even want characters like Yamcha, Tien, or Krillin to contribute anything of major significance. As a kid, I didn't care about them, as they were seen as fodder to me. As an adult, I care even less. It's nice to see them around and act as support, but that's about.

What's inexcusable is sidelining characters like Gohan, Gotenks, and Buu, when they were all on par with or stronger than Goku and Vegeta at the start of this series, and have the potential to be greater than them. It's even more inexcusable when you have a tournament arc where only Goku and Vegeta participate.

Then there's character portrayals in general, which have been dreadful.

But really, this is all factored into the same thing: bad writing.

I would prefer Yamcha, Tien and Krillin than Gohan, Gotenks and Buu as I find there general character more interesting as well as their fighting styles and moves.

[dbzfan7]

Maybe because they like those characters and would like them to be relevant, obviously Yamucha shouldn't kill Freeza in one punch, but still, it's not that hard to fathom.

It is hard to fathom. People should be happy they're living how they want to live, and are completely irrelevant to story. They should be happy for characters who aren't real, and treat them like real people.

Is that sarcasm ? Not trying to be a dick but that seems ridiculous.

Yes the post is entirely sarcastic. If the characters are happy, and it also makes them unimportant, then why take that away from characters who aren't real right? They're living how they want and they're meaningless to the story, but treat them like real people and it's ok.

[Avok]

Lol wtf?

A strong set of secondary characters is essential for having a good show. The only instances where this is not valid is when you have a story that revolves around a single character that's highly developed, like Vagabond for example.

And I don't think a 10-minute fight (the one in RoF) is enough to say "they got to shine". It was a fight against fodders.
Piccolo vs n17 and Tien vs Cell back in the Android Saga were good examples of proper usage of side characters. Not great, but at least it's something.

So far Super hasn't done a very good job at being a battle shonen series. I don't know, the arcs so far have been structured pretty weird.

[fadeddreams5]

General character utilization isn't really a major issue with Super. The same thing happened after the Cell saga, and that was inevitable given how the stories are structured and powers are scaled every arc.

Like, I can't fathom why people would even want characters like Yamcha, Tien, or Krillin to contribute anything of major significance. As a kid, I didn't care about them, as they were seen as fodder to me. As an adult, I care even less. It's nice to see them around and act as support, but that's about.

What's inexcusable is sidelining characters like Gohan, Gotenks, and Buu, when they were all on par with or stronger than Goku and Vegeta at the start of this series, and have the potential to be greater than them. It's even more inexcusable when you have a tournament arc where only Goku and Vegeta participate.

Then there's character portrayals in general, which have been dreadful.

But really, this is all factored into the same thing: bad writing.

Maybe because they like those characters and would like them to be relevant, obviously Yamucha shouldn't kill Freeza in one punch, but still, it's not that hard to fathom.

I understand that, but I feel fans want every single character in the cast to contribute something to every arc, which is a terrible idea, even if they are limited to background fighters fighting minions. If you've ever read Bleach, you'll see why it's not a good idea to give every character a time to shine.

In any story arc, the cast should be limited to a few characters. The Uni 6 arc would have been a great moment to give Buu and Piccolo some memorable scenes, but they failed.

[Grimlock]

I just wanna to point out and get rid of a doubt...

I was reading the manga and there was said that "three yeas has passed" since Trunks defeated the androids, to confirm this I went to check Kanzenshuu's page of the same chapter and it is also said there that "about three years has passed".

So Trunks killed the androids in AGE 785 (if he really killed Cell in AGE 788), right? It's because I've seen some people saying that no specific time was given to that.

[Hellspawn28]

Gohan went from:

This


to this


Videl from this


to this

Videl and Gohan choose to live normal lives as people on Earth. I see nothing wrong with that since they wanted to move on.

[Soppa Saia People]

General character utilization isn't really a major issue with Super. The same thing happened after the Cell saga, and that was inevitable given how the stories are structured and powers are scaled every arc.

Like, I can't fathom why people would even want characters like Yamcha, Tien, or Krillin to contribute anything of major significance. As a kid, I didn't care about them, as they were seen as fodder to me. As an adult, I care even less. It's nice to see them around and act as support, but that's about.

What's inexcusable is sidelining characters like Gohan, Gotenks, and Buu, when they were all on par with or stronger than Goku and Vegeta at the start of this series, and have the potential to be greater than them. It's even more inexcusable when you have a tournament arc where only Goku and Vegeta participate.

Then there's character portrayals in general, which have been dreadful.

But really, this is all factored into the same thing: bad writing.

Maybe because they like those characters and would like them to be relevant, obviously Yamucha shouldn't kill Freeza in one punch, but still, it's not that hard to fathom.

I understand that, but I feel fans want every single character in the cast to contribute something to every arc, which is a terrible idea, even if they are limited to background fighters fighting minions. If you've ever read Bleach, you'll see why it's not a good idea to give every character a time to shine.

In any story arc, the cast should be limited to a few characters. The Uni 6 arc would have been a great moment to give Buu and Piccolo some memorable scenes, but they failed.

They don't have to do anything major but something would be nice. Little things that show these characters that we know and love still matter, and aren't just fodder.

[Lujin_16]

Funny how some think Dragonball Super is only Goku show he lost 2 times against Beerus & Hit he has not done much in super

[Shuby]

Lol wtf?

A strong set of secondary characters is essential for having a good show. The only instances where this is not valid is when you have a story that revolves around a single character that's highly developed, like Vagabond for example.

And I don't think a 10-minute fight (the one in RoF) is enough to say "they got to shine". It was a fight against fodders.
Piccolo vs n17 and Tien vs Cell back in the Android Saga were good examples of proper usage of side characters. Not great, but at least it's something.

So far Super hasn't done a very good job at being a battle shonen series. I don't know, the arcs so far have been structured pretty weird.

Dont bother this page is full of apologists who are content with average stuff thrown at them , oh well let's enjoy fictional characters doing nothing at all.