The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:19 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote: That wasn't including Shisami, since Gohan had to go SS to beat him.
True but the statement was for base Gohan, not SSJ Gohan. SSJ Gohan is a given due to scaling.
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In Brightest Day wrote:Shisame and Freeza's army (Revival of F) vs. Eighteen, Mr. Buu, Yamcha, Trunks, Son Goten and Tarble.
Out of curiousity, how do you guys think this fight would differ if Buu was switched for Kibitoshin?
Different verse same as the first
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- Grandpa Son Gohan x Jeice
- Krillin x Nail
- Majin Vegeta x Tullece
- Mutenroshi x Final Form Freeza (Namek Arc)
- Nappa x Recoome
- Piccolo x Gogeta
- Pui Pui x Garlic Jr.
- Super Boo x Goku (Freeza Arc)
- Tenshinhan x Future Trunks
-Grandpa Gohan I think is more skilled and disciplined so he takes it
-I think Nail being a prodigy namek probably means something, so he takes it.
-Majin Vegeta has more skill and experience under his belt than Turles.
-Muten Roshi has more skill and experience, and proceeds to waste that prodigal bullshit.
-I give it to Recoome as he is a tank and is more calm headed than Nappa.
-Gogeta has the combined skill and knowledge of Goku and Vegeta. Gogeta has this.
-Garlic Jr cause of immortality.
-Goku if he plays it smart, otherwise he's outlasted by Boo or absorbed.
-Tenshinhan has more skill and martial arts knowledge than Trunks.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by h0kuten » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:20 pm

There is no way Mr.Boo is even being remotely capable of matching 1rst Form Frieza. The guy blew away Piccolo's mind, yet Piccolo sensed Ultimate Gohan.

1rst Form Frieza >>> Ultimate Gohan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr.Boo

At bare minimum.

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Post by Doctor. » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:22 pm

He blew nobody's mind. He said Freeza reached a level none of them could match. And considering Gohan slacked off and Freeza was stronger than all of them, it was true.

Saying "Freeza > ultimate Gohan at the bare minimum" is completely arbitrary.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:23 pm

I don't see why 1st form Freeza has to be stronger than Ultimate Gohan. I think any form of Freeza besides True form and Gold form would lose to Ultimate Gohan.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Blackstripe » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:55 pm

Oh, oh, I have another one!

SSJ Fetus Pan (with Videl as the vessel for her power) vs King Piccolo! :lol:

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Post by ZombieVito » Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:42 am

Blackstripe wrote:Oh, oh, I have another one!

SSJ Fetus Pan (with Videl as the vessel for her power) vs King Piccolo! :lol:
If we assume she gets the same multiplier as the Saiyans then she one shots anyone from DB.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ahill1 » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:33 am

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Darkprince410 wrote:There's nothing in the manga though that suggests he's anywhere near that high. If you go by what's shown in the manga, a battle power of 3,000,000 is more than sufficient.
Freeza's 2nd form starts off over one million. He powers up after Gohan beats him up and Piccolo says Freeza's power jumped astoundingly. Piccolo comes and has a slight advantage over that form, then Freeza powers up in his 2nd form again and has a slight lead on Piccolo. Piccolo takes off his weights, Freeza transforms again. 3rd form Freeza is easily stomping Piccolo. Freeza's initial true form blows his 3rd form out of the water, nobody besides Vegeta can now follow Freeza's movements. Freeza kicks it up a notch and is now way stronger than Vegeta, and Goku is around that level.

Freeza (true form; speed up) >= Base Goku >>> Base Vegeta ~ Freeza (true form; initial) >/>> Freeza (3rd form) >> Piccolo >= Freeza (2nd form) >= Piccolo (weighted) >= Freeza (2nd form; powered up) >> Freeza (2nd form; initial; over 1 million)

Now, if somebody wants to keep Goku at 3 million, that's fine, but to say someone has to believe the guidebook and there's no reason to believe otherwise is wrong. There's clearly big jumps in power at this point in the story. Almost every power-up Freeza does after already being over 1 million is an "astounding" jump.
Guide-books hold more merit than fan speculation.
The guides states that Piccolo Daimao(young) > Tenshinhan(23rd Budokai); states that Piccolo Daimao young is stronger than Kami; states that Mr.Popo is way stronger than Kami; states that Goku was 910 in 23rd Budokai.

Now if you prefer to go with guidebooks instead of the manga (single oeficial source) that's fine.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Khin » Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:02 am

1: SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga) vs. SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT)
2: SSJ Nappa vs. Ginyu Force
3: First Form Freeza(Namek) vs. Krillin(FNF) and Tenshinhan(FNF)
4: Kamiccolo(Tired),Android 17,18 and 16 vs. Imperfect Cell
5: SSJ Vegeta(Namek) and 100% Final Form Freeza(Namek) vs. SSJ Goku(Namek)
6: Goku(Arrival on Namek) vs. 1rst Form Freeza
7: Krillin(vs.Freeza) vs. Recoome,Burtur and Jiece
8: Vegeta(Post Dende Heal) vs. 3rd Form Freeza
9: Yajirobe(Saiyan Saga) vs. Majin Spopovich and Majin Yamu
10: King Cold vs. Majin Yakon

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:34 am

SSJ3 Vegeta wrote: 1: SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga) vs. SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT)
2: SSJ Nappa vs. Ginyu Force
3: First Form Freeza(Namek) vs. Krillin(FNF) and Tenshinhan(FNF)
4: Kamiccolo(Tired),Android 17,18 and 16 vs. Imperfect Cell
5: SSJ Vegeta(Namek) and 100% Final Form Freeza(Namek) vs. SSJ Goku(Namek)
6: Goku(Arrival on Namek) vs. 1rst Form Freeza
7: Krillin(vs.Freeza) vs. Recoome,Burtur and Jiece
8: Vegeta(Post Dende Heal) vs. 3rd Form Freeza
9: Yajirobe(Saiyan Saga) vs. Majin Spopovich and Majin Yamu
10: King Cold vs. Majin Yakon
1. Gotenks, given his not-too-terrible performance against Super Buu and Goku's estimation of his own (and the fact that SSJ Gotenks pre probably could've at least taken on Fat Buu).
2. He's probably stronger but not by too much (compared to Ginyu); not enough to avoid a body-change, anyway.
3. Either of the humans kick Freeza's ass horribly.
4. So, the fight that happened but they all rush him at once? Given 16 alone was evenly matched I guess the team wins unless Cell manages to absorb one of the twins. Which is fairly likely to be honest.
5. Assuming this isn't a tired/pre-injured Freeza, he won't run out of stamina quickly, so he should be evenly matched with Goku. Vegeta tips the balance over to team 1.
6. I got the impression x10 was his max Kaioken at this point. He'd hand out an even bigger asskicking than he did to Vegeta at x3, and win (though he'd be exhausted afterwards, of course).
7. Krillin's power apparently was still rising (from around 10K previously) but we have no idea by how much at this point. Um...I guess 3-on-1, my money's on the Ginyu's but I'm not totally certain.
8. Vegeta'd probably win, given that he thought he could take final form Freeza. I've always thought that Vegeta was around the power level Freeza would be at if his power increase to form 4 had followed the same pattern as from form 1 to 2 and from 2 to 3; what Vegeta didn't know was how crazily far above the others the final form was.
9. Yamu and Spopovich are always hard to place--you can interpret them as being around top-end normal human level (not even quite as strong as Videl) in terms of actual power but with insane durability and better ki control; or you can interpret them as having been screwing around to a crazy extent and being as strong as Namek-arc people who can fly and throw ki around that casually. I go with the former, hence I say Yajirobe wins this.
10. I guess King Cold, if he was around Mecha-Freeza's level while Yakon was knocked around by base Goku (though there's also the 800 to 3,000 kili/kiri thing...*shrug* Maybe Yakon and base Buu saga Goku weren't so relatively weak, I dunno). It's not like Cold has some big flashy lightshow transformation for Yakon to eat (even if he can transform, which we never find out, it's not exactly like SSJ).
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:39 am

Blackstripe wrote:SSJ Fetus Pan (with Videl as the vessel for her power) vs King Piccolo
It depends on the amount of ki Videl has while Pan is inside her. If it's somewhere around 5-10, her Super Saiyan form would be at some level from 250 to 500. King Piccolo has a powerlevel of 260, but maybe Videl can easily smack him around if her ki is anywhere near 300.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:36 pm

SSJ3 Vegeta wrote: 1: SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga) vs. SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT)
2: SSJ Nappa vs. Ginyu Force
3: First Form Freeza(Namek) vs. Krillin(FNF) and Tenshinhan(FNF)
4: Kamiccolo(Tired),Android 17,18 and 16 vs. Imperfect Cell
5: SSJ Vegeta(Namek) and 100% Final Form Freeza(Namek) vs. SSJ Goku(Namek)
6: Goku(Arrival on Namek) vs. 1rst Form Freeza
7: Krillin(vs.Freeza) vs. Recoome,Burtur and Jiece
8: Vegeta(Post Dende Heal) vs. 3rd Form Freeza
9: Yajirobe(Saiyan Saga) vs. Majin Spopovich and Majin Yamu
10: King Cold vs. Majin Yakon
-I have Gotenks here at Kid Boo's level which is just a bit above Goku. Goku's drain is worse than Gotenks', so Goku runs out of power faster than Gotenks' 30min. Gotenks takes this
-Nappa takes this. I don't think he's closer to Goku than the guidebook gave credit to. Goku said it'd take forever to beat him if he didn't use Kaio-Ken.
-Humans take it or either alone I think.
-The team takes it unless Cell can absorb one Cyborg. If no absorptions are allowed, Cell is screwed.
-Goku I think is significantly stronger than both. I think he has this in a tough fight
-Goku if he uses his Kaio-Ken X10.
-I think the combined Ginyu Force effort would take down Krillin
-I guess Vegeta since he was confident and already felt 3rd form Freeza's power
-Yajirobe. Neither Spopovich or Yamu do anything impressive. Fighting Videl is nothing.
-King Cold in a tough fight.
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Post by ZombieVito » Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:51 pm

SSJ3 Vegeta wrote: 1: SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga) vs. SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT)
2: SSJ Nappa vs. Ginyu Force
3: First Form Freeza(Namek) vs. Krillin(FNF) and Tenshinhan(FNF)
4: Kamiccolo(Tired),Android 17,18 and 16 vs. Imperfect Cell
5: SSJ Vegeta(Namek) and 100% Final Form Freeza(Namek) vs. SSJ Goku(Namek)
6: Goku(Arrival on Namek) vs. 1rst Form Freeza
7: Krillin(vs.Freeza) vs. Recoome,Burtur and Jiece
8: Vegeta(Post Dende Heal) vs. 3rd Form Freeza
9: Yajirobe(Saiyan Saga) vs. Majin Spopovich and Majin Yamu
10: King Cold vs. Majin Yakon
Goku one shots.
Nappa reaches 200,000. He murders everyone unless he falls to Ginyu's body change technique.
Kuririn and Tenshinhan win this after a good fight.
Cell losses after a long fight.
Two 120 million fighters vs a 150 million fighter? Vegeta and Freeza might win if they fight well together.
Goku goes KKx10 and one shots Freeza.
Kuririn is at 75,000 here. He one shots everyone.
Vegeta one shots.
Yajirobe destroys them.
I have Cold stronger but not that much. He wins but with high difficulty.

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Post by LightBing » Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:19 pm

SSJ Vegeta (Arrival on Namek) vs 2nd Form Freeza

Yakon vs Kuririn, Yamcha and Tenshinhan (All of them Android Arc) - Location- West City an hour before it goes Dark. Kibito appears to help the humans 10 minutes after the fight has started.

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Post by h0kuten » Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:22 pm

LightBing wrote:SSJ Vegeta (Arrival on Namek) vs 2nd Form Freeza

Yakon vs Kuririn, Yamcha and Tenshinhan (All of them Android Arc) - Location- West City an hour before it goes Dark. Kibito appears to help the humans 10 minutes after the fight has started.
Vegeta
~Ssj 1,200,000
~Gallic Gun 1,560,000

2nd Form Frieza
~Full Power 1,500,000
Frieza probably wins.

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Post by Hugo Boss » Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:43 pm

LightBing wrote:SSJ Vegeta (Arrival on Namek) vs 2nd Form Freeza

Yakon vs Kuririn, Yamcha and Tenshinhan (All of them Android Arc) - Location- West City an hour before it goes Dark. Kibito appears to help the humans 10 minutes after the fight has started.
I think Vegeta would have a small lead on Freeza and Piccolo. He probably has a better chance of winning.

Yakon is stronger than Kaioshin, isn't he? If Kaioshin is stronger than Piccolo and Piccolo is stronger than Kuririn, then this is too hard of a fight for the humans, even with Kibito's aid. Unless they elaborate some strategy, Yakon wins rather easily.

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:04 pm

LightBing wrote:Yakon vs Kuririn, Yamcha and Tenshinhan (All of them Android Arc)
Do you really think Krillin or any of the other humans could keep Goku on his feet? Yakon slaughters all of the humans at once.

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Post by Doctor. » Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:13 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:
LightBing wrote:Yakon vs Kuririn, Yamcha and Tenshinhan (All of them Android Arc)
Do you really think Krillin or any of the other humans could keep Goku on his feet? Yakon slaughters all of the humans at once.
If Tenshinhan used his Shin Kikoho to hold him down and Kuririn managed to fire off a Kienzan, why not? I mean Tenshinhan held Cell down. It wouldn't work on Goku because he has IT, Yakon doesn't though. Yamcha can serve as distraction.

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Post by ZombieVito » Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:11 am

LightBing wrote:SSJ Vegeta (Arrival on Namek) vs 2nd Form Freeza

Yakon vs Kuririn, Yamcha and Tenshinhan (All of them Android Arc) - Location- West City an hour before it goes Dark. Kibito appears to help the humans 10 minutes after the fight has started.
Exact equals (1,200,000). I give this to Vegeta because he fights dirty when needed.
Unless Tenshinahn can land a Shin Kikoho they all get killed.

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Post by In Brightest Day » Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:02 am

Chaozu (end of Z) vs. Jaco, Roshi (Revival of F) and Tarble.
LightBing wrote:Yakon vs Kuririn, Yamcha and Tenshinhan (All of them Android Arc) - Location- West City an hour before it goes Dark. Kibito appears to help the humans 10 minutes after the fight has started.
I actually think the humans could pull it off if they kept their distance, mostly because I get the impression Yakon has pretty limited mobility. If none of them get killed in the beginning, they will realise they can't fight him directly without becoming dinner. Yamcha's Sokidan would be an effective distraction. Krillin then shoots a Kienzan at Yakon, who would literally be standing there with his mouth wide open. If that fails, Tien bones him from behind with a Ki-Ko-Ho.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by h0kuten » Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:30 am

Gotenks Ssj Pre-ROST vs Majin Vegeta Ssj2

Goku Ssj3 vs Gotenks Ssj Post-ROST

Gotenks Base Post-ROST vs Fat Boo Full Power

Super Boo Initial vs Gotenks Base Post-ROST

Grey Boo vs Fat Boo Full Power

Goku Ssj3 (Db Super) vs Bootenks

Vegeta Ssj2 (Db Super) vs Gotenks Ssj2 (Post-ROST)

Raging Vegeta Ssj2 (Db Super) vs 4th Form Frieza (Post-Training)

Raging Vegeta Ssj3 (Db Super) vs Vegetto Super Saiyan 3

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