The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[h0kuten]

(Please no dormant power argument regarding the multiplier of Super Saiyan 4).

Why? Super Saiyan 4 is said to unlock dormant power in the show and the GT Perfect Files.

Potential is a forever changing concept.

[Lord Beerus]

Beerus vs Super Saiyan 4 Vegetto (Please no dormant power argument regarding the multiplier of Super Saiyan 4).

Piccolo (Arrival of Trunks) vs Vegeta Base (Arrival of Trunks)

Gohan (Arrival of Trunks) vs 3rd Form Freeza (Full Power)

8 Cell Juniors vs Kid Gohan Mssj + Goku Mssj + Vegeta Mssj + Trunks Mssj, all Cell Games versions.

Boohan (Perfect Cell Absorbed) + 1,000 Cell Juniors vs Super Vegetto

- Beerus stomps
- Vegeta wins but Piccolo put up one hell of a fight
- Gohan with mild difficulty
- Gohan alone would decimate the Cell Jrs. if he goes all out
- SPC is such a non factor in strength that I honestly doubt it'll provide any substantial boost in strength for Boohan. So Vegetto still wipes the floor with him along with the Cell Jrs.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

(Please no dormant power argument regarding the multiplier of Super Saiyan 4).

Why? Super Saiyan 4 is said to unlock dormant power in the show and the GT Perfect Files.

Potential is a forever changing concept.

What is your point? It's stated to bring a user to their limits / bring out their dormant power.

[Noah]

What is your point? It's stated to bring a user to their limits / bring out their dormant power.

You mean that SSJ4 can vary in power?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

What is your point? It's stated to bring a user to their limits / bring out their dormant power.

You mean that SSJ4 can vary in power?

Depending on the user and dormant power, yes.

[Noah]

Depending on the user and dormant power, yes.

So if we have a battle between three Super Saiyan 4 (Goku, Vegeta and Gohan)

Who would be victorious after fighting each individually?

[Captain Space]

Beerus vs Super Saiyan 4 Vegetto (Please no dormant power argument regarding the multiplier of Super Saiyan 4).

Piccolo (Arrival of Trunks) vs Vegeta Base (Arrival of Trunks)

Gohan (Arrival of Trunks) vs 3rd Form Freeza (Full Power)

8 Cell Juniors vs Kid Gohan Mssj + Goku Mssj + Vegeta Mssj + Trunks Mssj, all Cell Games versions.

Boohan (Perfect Cell Absorbed) + 1,000 Cell Juniors vs Super Vegetto

Assuming SSJ4 does for Vegetto what it did for Goku in terms of a power boost, I'd say Beerus by a pretty big margin. (Some kind of SSJ4 GT-era Vegetto might be a different story, I dunno.)

Stalemate, probably, given where they ended up in the android arc.

Gohan's highest power on Namek wasn't too far of Freeza's third form. Given what the training for the androids did for Piccolo, it's quite likely Gohan also saw a huge increase (though Piccolo still ended up much stronger than him). Plus, by that arc his rage-power seemed to have transferred to his dormant SSJ powers, so he probably had all his current base power available to him rather than waiting for an emotional trigger for it or whatever. So I'd say Gohan by a long way.

Vegeta and Trunks were at a bit of a disadvantage fighting one each, Gohan and Goku should be a good bit stronger than each one but I don't think they could take three each, so the Cell Jrs.

I mean, Vegetto can wipe out Buu just fine, but as for the Cell Jrs., that sort of depends what kind of gap we're talking about here. Is it much bigger than Krillin vs. Freeza's army? My gut says yes, so I guess I'll go with Vegetto wins.

[h0kuten]

What is your point? It's stated to bring a user to their limits / bring out their dormant power.

Limits and dormant power continuously change.

Do you not know that?

As for the thread, I meant Boo Juniors. Lol

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Limits and dormant power continuously change.

Do you not know that?

How does that change the fact that SS4 brings a user to their limits?

[h0kuten]

Limits and dormant power continuously change.

Do you not know that?

How does that change the fact that SS4 brings a user to their limits?

There is no such thing as limits in Dragonball Z.

Only in the shitty rip-off, Dragonball GT.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

There is no such thing as limits in Dragonball Z.

Only in the shitty rip-off, Dragonball GT.

Then why would you make a match with Super Saiyan 4 in the first place?

Also, if there's supposedly no limits in DB, what exactly did Bobbidi do when he brought Vegeta beyond his limits?

[h0kuten]

There is no such thing as limits in Dragonball Z.

Only in the shitty rip-off, Dragonball GT.

Then why would you make a match with Super Saiyan 4 in the first place?

Also, if there's supposedly no limits in DB, what exactly did Bobbidi do when he brought Vegeta beyond his limits?

They were Vegeta's limits at that time, simple.

[Absolute Ice]

Super Mira vs Beerus.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

They were Vegeta's limits at that time, simple.

Okay? When Goku goes Super Saiyan 4, it's his limits at the time. Simple?

[h0kuten]

They were Vegeta's limits at that time, simple.

Okay? When Goku goes Super Saiyan 4, it's his limits at the time. Simple?

Is potential a forever changing concept?

[ekrolo2]

Ledgic vs Future Trunks in a pure sword duel, no power-ups, transformations, ki blasts, just straight up swordplay with no super powered enhancements whatsoever, who wins?

[singsing]

I mean, SSJ3 brings a user to their limits too...

[h0kuten]

I mean, SSJ3 brings a user to their limits too...

Exactly.

Dragonball GT is so contradictory, it makes next to no sense. It's a good thing it isn't canon to the original Mang like Battle of Gods & Dragonball Super are.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Spoiler:

Episode 31
Time: around 15m20s
Context: Goku is turning the mixer for Elder Kaioshin
Goku: "Say there, is this really training?"
Elder Kaioshin: "Of course it is! This is the best way I can think of to train you in order to release your dormant abilities!"

Episode 33
Time: around 9m20s
Context: Goku's tail has been pulled out
Elder Kaioshin: "Now Goku's dormant power should appear!"

Episode 33
Time: 15m35s
Context: Elder Kaioshin and the others are watching Goku from the glass ball
Kibitoshin: "Grand Kaioshin-sama, what's the matter with Goku-san? Wasn't his dormant power supposed to have been awakened?"
Elder Kaioshin: "That's what was supposed to happen..."

Episode 33
Time: 20m25s
Context: Great Ape Goku stands before Baby
Narrator: "At last, Goku's dormant power has been awakened! Having transformed into a golden Great Ape, will Goku be able to defeat Baby?"

Exactly.

Dragonball GT is so contradictory, it makes next to no sense. It's a good thing it isn't canon to the original Mang like Battle of Gods & Dragonball Super are.

Why would you make a match up with Super Saiyan 4 just to complain about the form?

You also must not know what "canon" actually means.

[Lord Beerus]

Ledgic vs Future Trunks in a pure sword duel, no power-ups, transformations, ki blasts, just straight up swordplay with no super powered enhancements whatsoever, who wins?

Future Trunks