Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
JulieYBM wrote:How many wishes does Shen Long grant, if I might ask? Just the one, like in the previous film?
Two. Sorbet tries to revive Cold, too, but Shu (or Soba or whatever) yells "GIVE ME ONE MILLION ZENIE!" and Pilaf and his gang leave with a wad of bills.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I must see this movie now. I'm gonna die laughing when I see that scene.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
JulieYBM wrote:How many wishes does Shen Long grant, if I might ask? Just the one, like in the previous film?
Two. Sorbet tries to revive Cold, too, but Shu (or Soba or whatever) yells "GIVE ME ONE MILLION ZENIE!" and Pilaf and his gang leave with a wad of bills.
This was unexpected, and sounds so funny
can't wait to see it (I'm still trying to decide if I will watch it dubbed or subbed/raw first )
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Sleeping until the tournament is over.
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Araki wrote:
These days people start throwing the words "filler" and "silce of life" everytime characters aren't punching each other. No matter if something is moving the plot or there's character exposition.
Imagine if DB started these days. It would go like this:
"hey, what's happening in Dragon Ball today?"
"Goku wants Mutenroshi to train him, so he's bringing him some chicks now."
"oh i see, just slice of life filler then. skippable. "
At least no one can say Toriyama forgot about how many wishes the dragon can make.
When Goku got sent back was it before Vegeta fought Freeza or after ?
And how damaged was Freeza before he blew up the earth ?
He can grant three wishes, though.
It doesn't matter because Dende can do whatever he wants with the dragon anyway.
No he can't. Porunga grants three wishes. Shenlong grants two.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
AjayLikesGaming wrote:Hey Kei, I don't suppose you could give us an approximation of the two (or more) tones they used for the blue hair?
I feel like those toys are absurdly luminous compared to what is probably in the film.
The hair color looked almost the same as this.
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What about the aura?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Noah wrote:
Taking as example: Saint Seiya: Hades Arc story was solely about pleasing older fans
I doubt it. It was created to finish adaptation of manga. The same way as Inuyasha: Final Act was released years later after the original Inuyasha series.
Soul of Gold though seems to be exactly this, a product intended solely for pleasing older fans.
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
kei17 wrote:The hair color looked almost the same as this.
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Ah okay! Thanks.
Threw together a little colour swap to see how they looked together.
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Very strange to look at. Looking forward to seeing it in motion! Though I guess we don't actually know how prominently it features yet. Do they fight extensively with this look or is it a passing moment?
Noah wrote:
We hadn't a movie in GT timeline, they could use that Heroes concept: Bring back Broly as SSJ4 against Goku and Vegeta. Yay! Another punch contest festival
Well, technically we had one, though it was more like a special. The one named Hero's Legacy. But I doubt that they'd go this way. It is just not safe.
Noah wrote:Besides, I would like something really dark to happen in this movie, something like Freeza torturing Goten and Trunks until finally kill both and then Goku and Vegeta would get angry but no boost or transformation by rage they would still be outclassed by Freeza, it would be amazing... But yeah Toriyama don't have this vision about his series, unfortunately.
Goku didn't seem to care much in Buu arc when Buu absorbed his children and later killed them. So I doubt that he'd care in a movie, if it ever happens. Toriyama's Goku is now a completely different person from what he was in the beginning of series.
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Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
Doctor. wrote:Shenlong can grant three wishes. It's only two if one of the wishes is to resurrect a large number of people.
Holy crap, you're right. I just double checked in the manga.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:So what have I missed? Any new information?
Blue SSJ is like in fanarts (color)
and Pilaf and company wished 1 million of Zeni so that sorbet couldnt revive Cold
Sleeping until the tournament is over.
Spoiler:
Araki wrote:
These days people start throwing the words "filler" and "silce of life" everytime characters aren't punching each other. No matter if something is moving the plot or there's character exposition.
Imagine if DB started these days. It would go like this:
"hey, what's happening in Dragon Ball today?"
"Goku wants Mutenroshi to train him, so he's bringing him some chicks now."
"oh i see, just slice of life filler then. skippable. "
JulieYBM wrote:How many wishes does Shen Long grant, if I might ask? Just the one, like in the previous film?
Two. Sorbet tries to revive Cold, too, but Shu (or Soba or whatever) yells "GIVE ME ONE MILLION ZENIE!" and Pilaf and his gang leave with a wad of bills.
Couldn't Shenlong grant three wishes?
Hasn't it been under a year since the last movie? Didn't they still have wishes left?
"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird (1960)
“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” - Nelson Mandela
Suupaa Gohan 2 wrote:God, this movie sounds more like absolute crap the more I learn about it. Even if the central idea of Freeza's revival was something I was opposed to from the start, it still would have been nice if the rest of the movie didn't read like pointless schlock.
I'm going to echo Low Tone G's sentiment and say that it's time for Toriyama to retire. Let someone else handle Dragonball from now on. Either that or let it rest; there's no need to drag it through the mud like this.
Dude what if Toriyama had a secret account here and is reading what you posted right now! That might hurt his feelings and he might not make another DBZ movie. Do you want that to happen?
Toriyama: I’m the kind of person who doesn’t worry about it too much, but if [the response] was extremely bad, there were times when I’d think, “I wonder why?”. And also, I myself an extremely twisted person. So if, on a reader’s postcard, it was written “That’s this, and this’ll happen like this”, then I’d deliberately go with a development where that didn’t happen
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She/Her 
I just double checked in the manga.
