Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[emperior]

Multipliers
SSJ - 50x
SSJ2 - 100x
SSJ3 - 150x

SSB - 10x Base (God Ki)


Battle of Gods Arc

Spoiler:

Goku
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 300,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ3 - 900,000,000
SSG - 65,000,000,000

Vegeta
Base - 6,000,000
SSJ - 300,000,000
SSJ2 - 600,000,000
SSJ2 Enraged - 9,000,000,000

Beerus
Full Power - 100,000,000,000
vs SSJ3 Goku, at 1% - 1,000,000,000
vs Enraged Vegeta, at 10% - 10,000,000,000
vs God Goku, at 70% - 70,000,000,000

Whis
Full Power - 150,000,000,000

Revival of Freezer Arc

Spoiler:

Goku with God Ki
Base - 7,000,000,000
SSB - 70,000,000,000

Vegeta with God Ki
Base - 7,100,000,000
SSB - 71,000,000,000

Freezer
1st Form - 1,300,000,000
4th Form - 6,500,000,000
Golden - 75,000,000,000
Exhausted - 65,000,000,000


Gohan
Base - 5,500,000
SSJ - 275,000,000

Tagoma
Pre-Training - 25,000
Post-Training - 250,000,000

U6 Predictions

Spoiler:

Champa - 99,000,000,000

Vados - 152,000,000,000

Goku (Post training)
Base - 9,000,000,000
SSB - 90,000,000,000

Vegeta (Post training)
Base - 9,000,000,000
SSB - 90,000,000,000

Piccolo - 1,500,000,000

Monaka - 95,000,000,000

Botamo - 1,000,000,000

Magetta - 10,000,000,000

Frost
1st form - 1,500,000,000
Max power - 85,000,000,000

Cabba
Base - 9,000,000,000
SSB (?) - 90,000,000,000

Hit - 95,000,000,000

[Saturnine]

Ok. It just seems that along with universe 6 the gap between not divine ki use and divine ki use characters may shrink or be estabilished as smaller. Anyway I would like to post my my thoughts about where would Vegito stands in it. I will base my thoughts on buu arc ssj vegito > bog rage ssj2 vegeta, so here I go.

1. We know that beerus used 10% to one shot rage ssj2 vegeta. I believe the gap would be at least x2 for beerus on 10% to one shot rage ssj2 vegeta.

2. If we accept buu arc ssj vegito with feats shown (not full power yet) > rage ssj2 vegeta then here go power scale including rof and bog arc of super manga. I will include predicted power level of picoolo and gohan too.

bog arc ssj3 goku - 0.001
rof ssj gohan - 0.0008
buu arc vegito - 0.01
u6 base gohan/picoolo - 0.011
buuhan - 0.012
bog arc vegito - 0.013
bog rage ssj2 vegeta - 0.3
buu arc ssj vegito - 0.5
u6 ssj gohan - 0.55
bog arc ssj vegito - 0.65
buu arc ssj2 vegito(if possible) - 1
bog arc ssj2 vegito(if possible) - 1.3
buu arc ssj3 vegito(if possible) - 4
fourth form Freeza - 5
bog arc ssj3 vegito(if possible) - 5.2
ssjg goku - 6
rof base goku - 6.2
rof base vegeta - 6.25
golden Freeza weakened - 7
ssb goku - 7.4
ssb vegeta - 7.5
u6 base goku - 6.5
u6 base vegeta - 6.5
u6 ssb goku - 8
u6 ssb vegeta -8
golden Freeza - 7.8
monaca - 8.5
champa- 9.5
beerus - 10
whis -15
vados- 15

Just to note, I use for all ssj x50 mulitplier, for ssj2 x2 multiplier and ssj3 x 4 mutliplier

Quite a workable list in fact. I'm no fan at all of the official multipliers but oh well

[ssbgoku]

Ok. It just seems that along with universe 6 the gap between not divine ki use and divine ki use characters may shrink or be estabilished as smaller. Anyway I would like to post my my thoughts about where would Vegito stands in it. I will base my thoughts on buu arc ssj vegito > bog rage ssj2 vegeta, so here I go.

1. We know that beerus used 10% to one shot rage ssj2 vegeta. I believe the gap would be at least x2 for beerus on 10% to one shot rage ssj2 vegeta.

2. If we accept buu arc ssj vegito with feats shown (not full power yet) > rage ssj2 vegeta then here go power scale including rof and bog arc of super manga. I will include predicted power level of picoolo and gohan too.

bog arc ssj3 goku - 0.001
rof ssj gohan - 0.0008
buu arc vegito - 0.01
u6 base gohan/picoolo - 0.011
buuhan - 0.012
bog arc vegito - 0.013
bog rage ssj2 vegeta - 0.3
buu arc ssj vegito - 0.5
u6 ssj gohan - 0.55
bog arc ssj vegito - 0.65
buu arc ssj2 vegito(if possible) - 1
bog arc ssj2 vegito(if possible) - 1.3
buu arc ssj3 vegito(if possible) - 4
fourth form Freeza - 5
bog arc ssj3 vegito(if possible) - 5.2
ssjg goku - 6
rof base goku - 6.2
rof base vegeta - 6.25
golden Freeza weakened - 7
ssb goku - 7.4
ssb vegeta - 7.5
u6 base goku - 6.5
u6 base vegeta - 6.5
u6 ssb goku - 8
u6 ssb vegeta -8
golden Freeza - 7.8
monaca - 8.5
champa- 9.5
beerus - 10
whis -15
vados- 15

Just to note, I use for all ssj x50 mulitplier, for ssj2 x2 multiplier and ssj3 x 4 mutliplier

So where would you put Champa arc Blue Vegetto?

Champa arc ssb Vegito(if alloawed) - 12( min.) - (14 max)

u6 base goku - 6.5
u6 base vegeta - 6.5
u6 ssb goku - 8
u6 ssb vegeta -8

What?

what is your problem ?

universe6 saga characters I mean

[ssbgoku]

Ok. It just seems that along with universe 6 the gap between not divine ki use and divine ki use characters may shrink or be estabilished as smaller. Anyway I would like to post my my thoughts about where would Vegito stands in it. I will base my thoughts on buu arc ssj vegito > bog rage ssj2 vegeta, so here I go.

1. We know that beerus used 10% to one shot rage ssj2 vegeta. I believe the gap would be at least x2 for beerus on 10% to one shot rage ssj2 vegeta.

2. If we accept buu arc ssj vegito with feats shown (not full power yet) > rage ssj2 vegeta then here go power scale including rof and bog arc of super manga. I will include predicted power level of picoolo and gohan too.

bog arc ssj3 goku - 0.001
rof ssj gohan - 0.0008
buu arc vegito - 0.01
u6 base gohan/picoolo - 0.011
buuhan - 0.012
bog arc vegito - 0.013
bog rage ssj2 vegeta - 0.3
buu arc ssj vegito - 0.5
u6 ssj gohan - 0.55
bog arc ssj vegito - 0.65
buu arc ssj2 vegito(if possible) - 1
bog arc ssj2 vegito(if possible) - 1.3
buu arc ssj3 vegito(if possible) - 4
fourth form Freeza - 5
bog arc ssj3 vegito(if possible) - 5.2
ssjg goku - 6
rof base goku - 6.2
rof base vegeta - 6.25
golden Freeza weakened - 7
ssb goku - 7.4
ssb vegeta - 7.5
u6 base goku - 6.5
u6 base vegeta - 6.5
u6 ssb goku - 8
u6 ssb vegeta -8
golden Freeza - 7.8
monaca - 8.5
champa- 9.5
beerus - 10
whis -15
vados- 15

Just to note, I use for all ssj x50 mulitplier, for ssj2 x2 multiplier and ssj3 x 4 mutliplier

Quite a workable list in fact. I'm no fan at all of the official multipliers but oh well

Thanks

[Hugo Boss]

Just to note, I use for all ssj x50 mulitplier, for ssj2 x2 multiplier and ssj3 x 4 mutliplier

You didn't use the 50x-multiplier in Freeza's & Champa's Arcs.

[ZombieVito]

So any estimations on where Piccolo and Gohan are now? Did Gohan regained his ultimate power in base?

[ssbgoku]

So any estimations on where Piccolo and Gohan are now? Did Gohan regained his ultimate power in base?

Well I believe they could be at least buutenks level with ssj gohan being buuhan level or slightly above ;p.
At the most I see ssj gohan being on par with buu arc ssj vegito, that if he is lucky and trained really hard.

Just to note, I use for all ssj x50 mulitplier, for ssj2 x2 multiplier and ssj3 x 4 mutliplier

You didn't use the 50x-multiplier in Freeza's & Champa's Arcs.

I did, just because I didn't use it on characters with divine ki, it means nothing. The god scale is just estimation of rather use codes numbers in place of real power level number. Actually that means multipliers are only used on real pl, not god scale, so yeah it is working.

In other words x50 multiplier in God scale would move from 6.5 to 8 which gives 1.23 multiplier in god scale but that only mean the gap between god scale is so huge that 50 multiplier can only close as much.

+ ASSUMING THE SCALE IS LINEAR.

If it is not then it means the higher you are at god scale harder to get gains and reach even higher point of scale.

[Hugo Boss]

Unless you are talking about a pokémon-lvl-up logic, which is based on experience numbers, there is no point in introducing such detail like a x-multiplier if it means nothing in your list.

[Khin]

So any estimations on where Piccolo and Gohan are now?

If Gohan regained his Ultimate powers :
Piccolo = Bootenks tier
.
if Gohan didn't regain his Ultimate powers:
Piccolo = Super Perfect Cell tier.

[emperior]

I think Gohan has regained his ultimate power, my theory is that he didn't just change his hairstyle, it's just that his base form = mystic form so his hair is always up as if he was SSJ2. Though he was sparring with Piccolo so we don't know if he was holding up a little or if Piccolo is really as strong as Gohan is.

[namekiansaiyan]

So any estimations on where Piccolo and Gohan are now?

If Gohan regained his Ultimate powers :[/powerful on once he fights in Bootenks tier
.
if Gohan didn't regain his Ultimate powers:
Piccolo = Super Perfect Cell tier.

goku and vegeta went to ask piccolo first and not gohan so he must be stronger and be at some kind of super buu level or something and maybe even more powerful in the tournament as that special beam cannon has to be powerful

[namekiansaiyan]

I think Gohan has regained his ultimate power, my theory is that he didn't just change his hairstyle, it's just that his base form = mystic form so his hair is always up as if he was SSJ2. Though he was sparring with Piccolo so we don't know if he was holding up a little or if Piccolo is really as strong as Gohan is.

Piccolo has to be stronger as they asked him first
vegeta only said gohan has the most potential

[namekiansaiyan]

So any estimations on where Piccolo and Gohan are now? Did Gohan regained his ultimate power in base?

piccolo more powerful
as during that 20 second training clip gohan looked a lot more hurt

[Khin]

I think Gohan has regained his ultimate power, my theory is that he didn't just change his hairstyle, it's just that his base form = mystic form so his hair is always up as if he was SSJ2. Though he was sparring with Piccolo so we don't know if he was holding up a little or if Piccolo is really as strong as Gohan is.

That's my theory as well.I think
Gohan with Spiky hair = Ultimate state
Gohan with ROF hair = Base form

So i think Gohan probably regained his Ultimate state.That also gives Piccolo a big boost.Though he also receive a big boost back when he was training with Goku in the preparation for the Androids.

[ZombieVito]

Yeah the hair thing kinda makes sense now that I think about it.

It would also make Piccolo not that entirely useless at the tournament.

[Hugo Boss]

Gohan's hair was also spiky when he fought Beerus and back then he transformed into Super Saiyan either way.

[Noah]

Nah, I don't think his hair has something to do with the lack of his Ultimate form, I'll use Urameshi was example:

Spoiler:

And

Spoiler:

Basically the same thing about RoF hair Gohan and Boo Arc hair Gohan, I assume.

[Khin]

Gohan's hair was also spiky when he fought Beerus and back then he transformed into Super Saiyan either way.

Gohan didn't go SSj when he fought Beerus,it was his Ultimate.He only went SSj when they make the god ritual.And there's no evidence to suggest that Gohan can't go SSj if he have his Ultimate state.

[Chillekasper]

That would make sense! But when Gohan and the Green Bean where training was Gohan on max power or was he holding power.

[Khin]

That would make sense! But when Gohan and the Green Bean where training was Gohan on max power or was he holding power.

We don't know.Either Gohan is holding back a lot or Piccolo receive a massive power gain.But i doubt the former is the case.