Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Sandubadear]

Guys do you think Goku is going to turn evil in the next movie?

Because when Goku killed Freeza, Sorbet said that everything is going according to the plan and he even interfered during their fight to make Goku take the final blow at Freeza instead of Vegeta. Do think Goku killing Freeza might somehow taint his pure heart or place a curse on him allowing Sorbet to take control of Goku. And maybe we're going too see Vegeta in the next movie fight against evil Goku?

You can't be seriously... Julian said that Sorbet dies before Frieza does.

[jjgp1112]

A better analogy is wrestling. Heel beats a challenger in a championship match to win the title and continues beating him up after the bell, the babyface's friend comes in to make the save, challenges the heel to a title match, and beats him from pillar to post...but the heel hits him with a chair to get disqualified but keep his title.

[ShadowWolf87]

No. You interfered in an argument that didn't concern you in the first place. What you're talking about wasn't what I was discussing in anyway. What I was discussing was the belief that Goku managed to fight and beat a fully powered Freeza while Vegeta didn't when that wasn't even remotely the case. He had to rely on exploiting a weakness in order to gain the advantage just like Freeza had to against Vegeta. Goku wasn't stronger than Freeza just like Freeza wasn't stronger than Vegeta when he fought him despite both gaining the upper through exploiting weaknesses.

No one said Goku managed to beat anything. Just that he would have after facing him at 100%. People are speaking in forums as if Goku gets straight-up stomped and then Vegeta steps in and wins where he couldn't. Simply not the case. Goku would indeed have won that fight.

And yes, it's still valid. Goku faced Freeza at 100%. Goku had to endure during that fight which started with Freeza at 100%. The drain happened in-combat. It's not like some video game fight where he had to lure him in front of convenient objects that sapped his power, he forced him to burn it as they fought.

So yes, it is legitimate to say Goku can and would have won that fight. Vegeta we simply cannot measure as we don't have him facing Freeza until after he'd been significantly tired out by Goku.

A fight against a power and stamina drained Freeza? Yes. Against a 100% full powered Freeza? No. And absolutely nothing suggest Freeza was significantly tired out by Goku. That's your assumption with absolutely nothing backing it up. Weakened? Yes. Drastically weakened? Nothing suggests that.

Who said drastically? I said significantly.

[dbzfan7]

A better analogy is wrestling. Heel beats a challenger in a championship match to win the title and continues beating him up after the bell, the babyface's friend comes in to make the save, challenges the heel to a title match, and beats him from pillar to post...but the heel hits him with a chair to get disqualified but keep his title.

Damn I missed the part where no blowing up earth was against the rules in a fight that's to the death. I guess that's why the referee Whis turned back time.

[Kamiccolo9]

A better analogy is wrestling. Heel beats a challenger in a championship match to win the title and continues beating him up after the bell, the babyface's friend comes in to make the save, challenges the heel to a title match, and beats him from pillar to post...but the heel hits him with a chair to get disqualified but keep his title.

Damn I missed the part where no blowing up earth was against the rules in a fight that's to the death. I guess that's why the referee Whis turned back time.

It's in the Genocidal Alien Grudge Match Rulebook. Chapter 7, subsection B, paragraph 2.

[GokuRules987]

Guys do you think Goku is going to turn evil in the next movie?

Because when Goku killed Freeza, Sorbet said that everything is going according to the plan and he even interfered during their fight to make Goku take the final blow at Freeza instead of Vegeta. Do think Goku killing Freeza might somehow taint his pure heart or place a curse on him allowing Sorbet to take control of Goku. And maybe we're going too see Vegeta in the next movie fight against evil Goku?

You can't be seriously... Julian said that Sorbet dies before Freeza does.

NO! watch this video it shows what exactly happens at the end of the movie and sorbat actually witnesses Frieza die and said everything was going according to the plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH9KCskB0Xw

[Kamiccolo9]

Guys do you think Goku is going to turn evil in the next movie?

Because when Goku killed Freeza, Sorbet said that everything is going according to the plan and he even interfered during their fight to make Goku take the final blow at Freeza instead of Vegeta. Do think Goku killing Freeza might somehow taint his pure heart or place a curse on him allowing Sorbet to take control of Goku. And maybe we're going too see Vegeta in the next movie fight against evil Goku?

You can't be seriously... Julian said that Sorbet dies before Freeza does.

NO! watch this video it shows what exactly happens at the end of the movie and sorbat actually witnesses Freeza die and said everything was going according to the plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH9KCskB0Xw

Yeah no. You're wrong. We've already heard from someone who saw the movie what happened.

[dbzfan7]

A better analogy is wrestling. Heel beats a challenger in a championship match to win the title and continues beating him up after the bell, the babyface's friend comes in to make the save, challenges the heel to a title match, and beats him from pillar to post...but the heel hits him with a chair to get disqualified but keep his title.

Damn I missed the part where no blowing up earth was against the rules in a fight that's to the death. I guess that's why the referee Whis turned back time.

It's in the Genocidal Alien Grudge Match Rulebook. Chapter 7, subsection B, paragraph 2.

Well that explains why Whis helped. Not cause his students were in trouble, not cause they were his friends, not cause he wouldn't be able to eat earth food if earth was destroyed. He turned back time because of The Genocidal Alien Grudge Match Rulebook. Chapter 7, subsection B, paragraph 2. Whis does look like a stickler for rules.

[soulnova]

Guys do you think Goku is going to turn evil in the next movie?

Because when Goku killed Freeza, Sorbet said that everything is going according to the plan and he even interfered during their fight to make Goku take the final blow at Freeza instead of Vegeta. Do think Goku killing Freeza might somehow taint his pure heart or place a curse on him allowing Sorbet to take control of Goku. And maybe we're going too see Vegeta in the next movie fight against evil Goku?

You can't be seriously... Julian said that Sorbet dies before Freeza does.

NO! watch this video it shows what exactly happens at the end of the movie and sorbat actually witnesses Freeza die and said everything was going according to the plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH9KCskB0Xw

Kei and Julian have said the opposite. They both watched the movie. I rather believe them. Thank you.

[Birusu16]

This exactly. People are saying Goku lost and Vegeta was the only one who could have won, like Vegeta was now suddenly the top dog. People are trying to pass that off as fact. If Goku and Vegeta switched places, then Goku would look worse for sure.

Goku lost, but he lost from interference and fighting Freeza at his best. Vegeta lost, but he lost to a weakened Freeza. That's why Vegeta looks worse. I already said a fresh Vegeta vs Freeza would probably be more or less the same as what happened with Goku.

That's like if a UFC fighter lost to the champion, and then a second UFC fighter takes on the champion while he's weakened, nearly wins, but the champ gets one good punch in to knock out the second fighter. Who do you think looks better?

Except that's not how it went at all. Freeza had to employ an underhanded tactic in order to take down Vegeta just like Goku had to be taken down by underhanded tactics (another character interfering). Some of you like to say that what Freeza did to Vegeta wasn't an underhanded tactic but merely an exploitation of weakness. Well it's no different than what happened to Goku. Goku let his guard down and Sorbet exploited that weakness. Trying to make it look like Sorbet interfering in Goku and Freeza's fight is somehow worse than Freeza destroying the planet because he knows he can't beat Vegeta is pretty laughable IMO.

Both are dirty tactics...except Goku lost to a Freeza who started from fresh, and Vegeta lost to a Freeza who was spoon fed to him by Goku. Simple as that. Even if Freeza was stronger than Goku and Goku would still have lost without Sorbet interfering, he still looks better than Vegeta as Vegeta had the tools to win, and still lost.

And how do you know Vegeta didn't come closer to winning against Freeza than Goku? If he did then that puts quite a dent in the assumption that Goku had a better showing than Vegeta. It would put them at similar showings at that point. And how exactly did Vegeta have the tools to win? Is he capable of breathing in space? Sure he was more powerful, but that doesn't mean a thing if the planet is blown up and he suffocates to death.

[Birusu16]

Who said drastically? I said significantly.

Which nothing implies either, so your point is moot.

[dbzfan7]

And how do you know Vegeta didn't come closer to winning against Freeza than Goku? If he did then that puts quite a dent in the assumption that Goku had a better showing than Vegeta. It would put them at similar showings at that point. And how exactly did Vegeta have the tools to win? Is he capable of breathing in space? Sure he was more powerful, but that doesn't mean a thing if the planet is blown up and he suffocates to death.

Let me make it clear. Let's say instead of Vegeta, Piccolo is the one who fights Freeza. Freeza was tired enough that Piccolo can beat him. Piccolo beats the shit out of Freeza, but then Freeza blows up the earth. Piccolo failed even though he had all the tools to defeat Freeza. Does Piccolo now seem to look as good as Goku? No. Piccolo here had the advantage, was stronger, and still failed.

[Birusu16]

And how do you know Vegeta didn't come closer to winning against Freeza than Goku? If he did then that puts quite a dent in the assumption that Goku had a better showing than Vegeta. It would put them at similar showings at that point. And how exactly did Vegeta have the tools to win? Is he capable of breathing in space? Sure he was more powerful, but that doesn't mean a thing if the planet is blown up and he suffocates to death.

Let me make it clear. Let's say instead of Vegeta, Piccolo is the one who fights Freeza. Freeza was tired enough that Piccolo can beat him. Piccolo beats the shit out of Freeza, but then Freeza blows up the earth. Piccolo failed even though he had all the tools to defeat Freeza. Does Piccolo now seem to look as good as Goku? No. Piccolo here had the advantage, was stronger, and still failed.

And let me make it clear to you that he didn't have all the tools. He cannot breathe in space and thus cannot live if the planet is blown up, so being stronger and having the advantage means jack all. You can't hold something like that against him when there was absolutely nothing he could do about it. He can't make himself be able to breathe in space.

[ShadowWolf87]

Guys do you think Goku is going to turn evil in the next movie?

Because when Goku killed Freeza, Sorbet said that everything is going according to the plan and he even interfered during their fight to make Goku take the final blow at Freeza instead of Vegeta. Do think Goku killing Freeza might somehow taint his pure heart or place a curse on him allowing Sorbet to take control of Goku. And maybe we're going too see Vegeta in the next movie fight against evil Goku?

You can't be seriously... Julian said that Sorbet dies before Freeza does.

NO! watch this video it shows what exactly happens at the end of the movie and sorbat actually witnesses Freeza die and said everything was going according to the plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH9KCskB0Xw

>UnrealEntGaming

The dude makes stuff up for views, classic case of it. Likes to title videos like there's been some hints or evidence Broly is going to come back in this or that movie and then it just turns out to be him talking about how they could do it and how cool it would be. Taking everything he says with a grain of salt is the best course of action.

[Kamiccolo9]

Taking everything he says with a grain of salt is the best course of action.

Ignoring it would be even better.

[ShadowWolf87]

Who said drastically? I said significantly.

Which nothing implies either, so your point is moot.

Drastically implies by a massive amount.

Significantly implies it was enough to be noticeable and have an effect on him.

Not moot even a little.

[dbzfan7]

And how do you know Vegeta didn't come closer to winning against Freeza than Goku? If he did then that puts quite a dent in the assumption that Goku had a better showing than Vegeta. It would put them at similar showings at that point. And how exactly did Vegeta have the tools to win? Is he capable of breathing in space? Sure he was more powerful, but that doesn't mean a thing if the planet is blown up and he suffocates to death.

Let me make it clear. Let's say instead of Vegeta, Piccolo is the one who fights Freeza. Freeza was tired enough that Piccolo can beat him. Piccolo beats the shit out of Freeza, but then Freeza blows up the earth. Piccolo failed even though he had all the tools to defeat Freeza. Does Piccolo now seem to look as good as Goku? No. Piccolo here had the advantage, was stronger, and still failed.

And let me make it clear to you that he didn't have all the tools. He cannot breathe in space and thus cannot live if the planet is blown up, so being stronger and having the advantage means jack all

Boo fucking hoo for them. Freeza utilized his advantage of being able to breathe in space, while Vegeta can not. In the end he failed.

Did Gotenks win too when he was beating the shit out of Boo, and then his time ran out? Super Boo took advantage that Gotenks has a time limit. That's not cheating, that's playing smart.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Still 18 days until the opening in Japan, you guys think TOEI are done promoting? I hope not I want a glimpse of the Blue Super Saiyan.

[GokuRules987]

>UnrealEntGaming

The dude makes stuff up for views, classic case of it. Likes to title videos like there's been some hints or evidence Broly is going to come back in this or that movie and then it just turns out to be him talking about how they could do it and how cool it would be. Taking everything he says with a grain of salt is the best course of action.

UnrealEntGaming is one of the most popular DBZ channels on You Tube! Hes has over 150k subscribers and 99 percent of his videos are purely dedicated to dragon ball. He also gets help from a lot of reliable DBZ sources and brings his fans the most accurate newest updated information.

[TheGmGoken]

I honestly wonder if such a negative reaction is Vegeta's role in here. Though I'm curious on why Vegeta couldt stop Freeza attack.