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Polyphase Avatron wrote:Okay I've got an obscure one for you guys.
This guy vs. This guy. Both were able to pretty easily overpower Kid Goku and only lost due to extenuating circumstances.
Lucifer overpowers pre-Roshi training Goku, while Shura overpowers post-Karin training Goku, so I guess Shura?
Maybe, but there are 3 points I have that could favor Lucifer:
1. Shura is weak to bright lights, Lucifer can fire glowing ki blasts.
2. Shura seemed to struggle more against Goku than Lucifer did
3. Lucifer was able to survive for a second or two when hit by the sun-destroying cannon (although I admit he might have just been caught in the edge of the blast, or being damaged it didn't fire at full power, or maybe it starts off at low intensity and ramps up in power after a second, or maybe it didn't really have the power to destroy the sun in the first place, but this is still a point worth considering.)
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Okay I've got an obscure one for you guys.
This guy vs. This guy. Both were able to pretty easily overpower Kid Goku and only lost due to extenuating circumstances.
Lucifer overpowers pre-Roshi training Goku, while Shura overpowers post-Karin training Goku, so I guess Shura?
Maybe, but there are 3 points I have that could favor Lucifer:
1. Shura is weak to bright lights, Lucifer can fire glowing ki blasts.
2. Shura seemed to struggle more against Goku than Lucifer did
3. Lucifer was able to survive for a second or two when hit by the sun-destroying cannon (although I admit he might have just been caught in the edge of the blast, or being damaged it didn't fire at full power, or maybe it starts off at low intensity and ramps up in power after a second, or maybe it didn't really have the power to destroy the sun in the first place, but this is still a point worth considering.)
Lucifer is also weak to bright lights, the whole deal was that he wanted to destroy the sun so he and his demons could live in darkness, and he uses sunglasses to avoid the lights. Shura struggled more against Goku because, as I said, that is post-Karin training Goku, who was much stronger than pre-Roshi training Goku. idk about the cannon blast.
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Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:
-Yajirobe (23rd Budokai) vs. Piccolo Daimao (old)
I don't think Yajirobe improved between the previous arc and here; he should be about as strong as the Goku that lost to old Piccolo. So, Piccolo wins.
(If I'm forgetting something and he did train, I stand corrected, of course.)
"Actually I didn’t know what Bulma’s real hair color was" --Toriyama
If Giran isn't swayed by her sexuality, then I'm certain he'd be able to beat her, as that seemed to be really her only means of combat. She was distracting her opponents with her sexual charms and attacking them when they dropped their guard, and without that, she really doesn't have anything going for her.
Her surprise punch did more damage to Nam than Giran's sucker punch did to Goku, so she has that going for her.
I personally think they're around the same power, or Langfang holds a slight edge. But Giran's gum would secure him the victory.
If Giran isn't swayed by her sexuality, then I'm certain he'd be able to beat her, as that seemed to be really her only means of combat. She was distracting her opponents with her sexual charms and attacking them when they dropped their guard, and without that, she really doesn't have anything going for her.
Her surprise punch did more damage to Nam than Giran's sucker punch did to Goku, so she has that going for her.
I personally think they're around the same power, or Langfang holds a slight edge. But Giran's gum would secure him the victory.
That's what I mean though. Nam basically dropped his guard to her because she played to her feminine charms, in that situation pretending to be sobbing and hurt from his light tap on her arm. Her whole gimmick was using her sexuality and being a woman to cause her opponent to be attracted to her or feel sorry for her, resulting in them dropping their guard to her. Without said charms, there wasn't anything in particular I saw that would put her as being even Mr. Satan caliber in terms of fighting capacity, and I think Giran, if he wasn't swayed by her sexuality or her other means of dropping a man's guard, wouldn't have any real issue with her at all.
I think it depends on their respective master. In a nutshell it would work like this: Porunga (Moori) > Shen Long (Dende) > Porunga (Guru) > Shen Long (Kami). At first Shen Long could grant one wish including reviving more than one people, while Porunga could grant three wishes while he could revive one person per wish. After his power-up, Shen Long could grant three wishes (two if it includes reviving more than one people), while Porunga powered-up to the point where he could revive a large number of people while still being able to grant the two other wishes.
Darkprince410 wrote:That's what I mean though. Nam basically dropped his guard to her because she played to her feminine charms, in that situation pretending to be sobbing and hurt from his light tap on her arm. Her whole gimmick was using her sexuality and being a woman to cause her opponent to be attracted to her or feel sorry for her, resulting in them dropping their guard to her. Without said charms, there wasn't anything in particular I saw that would put her as being even Mr. Satan caliber in terms of fighting capacity, and I think Giran, if he wasn't swayed by her sexuality or her other means of dropping a man's guard, wouldn't have any real issue with her at all.
Goku wasn't on guard for Giran's attack either, and he took less damage than Nam. Keep in mind this is pre-tail Goku.
Porunga of course
1. Never affraid anybody and have more charisma, shenron looked not so good at the latest series.
2. Not have many limitation unlike shenron.
3. Not reducing its wishes to 2 if the wishes involved something like mass revival
The question has been asked by you 10000000000 times and we have become very efficient.
I don't care about non canon stuffs like game, guide book, movie, etc
Spare the trouble because GT is CANON
Be quick and be done with it
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Darkprince410 wrote:That's what I mean though. Nam basically dropped his guard to her because she played to her feminine charms, in that situation pretending to be sobbing and hurt from his light tap on her arm. Her whole gimmick was using her sexuality and being a woman to cause her opponent to be attracted to her or feel sorry for her, resulting in them dropping their guard to her. Without said charms, there wasn't anything in particular I saw that would put her as being even Mr. Satan caliber in terms of fighting capacity, and I think Giran, if he wasn't swayed by her sexuality or her other means of dropping a man's guard, wouldn't have any real issue with her at all.
Goku wasn't on guard for Giran's attack either, and he took less damage than Nam. Keep in mind this is pre-tail Goku.
It's really hard to use Goku's resilience to an attack as evidence for how another would take similar attacks, since we've seen him bounce back from attacks readily established to affect him more heavily than it should. Nam's Heaven's X-Mark Fist, for example, was meant to render someone unconscious for ten days, yet Goku was able to bounce back from it in seconds. Later, he was able to shake off Roshi's hypnosis when Roshi exclaimed that such would be impossible. I could go on, but it still stands that Goku's shown remarkable resilience to attacks in comparison to others, so Goku taking Giran's punch really isn't that good of an indicator as to how well Ranfan would do against him.
We've had this discussion at least twice in the last month.
Odin has so many ways of easily dealing with Beerus that it's not even funny. The cat's out of his league here. Raw power means nothing against a guy who can strip you of your power, rip out your soul, manipulate reality and time, will himself to be as strong and fast as he wants, or just create another guy strong enough to handle Beerus while he sits around sipping tea.
Dragon Ball doesn't have anyone who can beat high-tier magic or reality manipulators because they are so focused on who can punch harder or make the biggest laser beam. DB fighters are totally unequipped to deal with more esoteric characters from other series. They just don't have the power set for it. The weakest cosmic entity in Marvel could manhandle Whis effortlessly because of this.
Put Beerus against Thor, or the Surfer, or Thanos. Someone who can't just will him out of existence.
Darkprince410 wrote:That's what I mean though. Nam basically dropped his guard to her because she played to her feminine charms, in that situation pretending to be sobbing and hurt from his light tap on her arm. Her whole gimmick was using her sexuality and being a woman to cause her opponent to be attracted to her or feel sorry for her, resulting in them dropping their guard to her. Without said charms, there wasn't anything in particular I saw that would put her as being even Mr. Satan caliber in terms of fighting capacity, and I think Giran, if he wasn't swayed by her sexuality or her other means of dropping a man's guard, wouldn't have any real issue with her at all.
Goku wasn't on guard for Giran's attack either, and he took less damage than Nam. Keep in mind this is pre-tail Goku.
It's really hard to use Goku's resilience to an attack as evidence for how another would take similar attacks, since we've seen him bounce back from attacks readily established to affect him more heavily than it should. Nam's Heaven's X-Mark Fist, for example, was meant to render someone unconscious for ten days, yet Goku was able to bounce back from it in seconds. Later, he was able to shake off Roshi's hypnosis when Roshi exclaimed that such would be impossible. I could go on, but it still stands that Goku's shown remarkable resilience to attacks in comparison to others, so Goku taking Giran's punch really isn't that good of an indicator as to how well Ranfan would do against him.
Ranfan's punch was so fast it ignited the air around it. She's not weaker than Mr. Satan.
1: Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku vs. Movie 10 LSSJ Broly and Super Perfect Cell
2: Kamiccolo vs. SSJ Vegeta,SSJ Goku and SSJ Mirai Trunks(All in Android Saga)
3: Piccolo(Saiyan Saga) and Gohan(Saiyan Saga) vs. Tenshinhan,Kuririn,Yamcha,Chaozu and Yajirobe(All in Saiyan Saga,No Kienzan or Kikoho)
4: Goku(Saiyan Saga)with Kaioken(Cant go x3 and beyond) vs. Kewi
5: ASSJ Mirai Trunks(3 years after the Cell Games) vs. SSJ Trunks(Pre ROSAT)
6: Majin Vegeta,SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Teen Gohan(Pre Z Sword) vs. Grey Buu
7: MSSJ Goku(Cell Games) vs. 70% MSSJ Kid Gohan(Cell Games)
8: Elder Kaioshin vs. Kame-sennin
9: 5,000 Pure Boo(No Candy Beam or Absorption) vs. Whis
10: SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta vs. Good Boo
- Broly and Cell gets horribly stomped
- Kamiccolo one shots all of the SSJ's
- Piccolo and Gohan edge this out after a long and hard battle.
- Goku blitz's Kewi
- SSJ Kid Trunks wins with little effort
- Grey Buu turns them Saiyans into candy
- Gohan would win with less than even 50%
- Kaioshin
- Whis crushes all of the Grey Buu's like ants
- Good Boo. His regenration and insane stamina give him the ultimate advantage.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
- Oozaru Tullece
- Giant Form Slug
- Mecha Freeza (Unseen 100%)
- King Cold
- Coola (First appearance)
- Android 13
- Android 14
- Android 15
- Android 19
- Dr. Gero
Goku loses, that's too much combined might and I think he'd only have a power advantage over Tullece, Slug, and Cold. That still leaves the Cold brothers and android army which would most likely overwhelm him and drain him of his ki.
Going on hiatus. Too much stuff in RL to deal with for me to keep up with posts here for now. Was fun, hope you all have a nice day and future! Volt signing off.
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