English Dragon Box Release

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:16 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:We really aren't getting anywhere with this bitching back and forth. So, I made a poll...

http://www.snappoll.com/poll/302645.php

Yea, it looks a little petty and cheap but, I'm actually curious as to see some numbers.

That one's glitchy. I made my own:

http://www.yourfreepoll.com/ktoqkuzesp.html

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:18 pm

That one's glitchy. I made my own:

http://www.yourfreepoll.com/ktoqkuzesp.html

I agree, your poll is better (uh...). Lets use this then.

Budogenkai · Post by **Budogenkai** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:18 pm

Bomber Greek wrote:How much will these be? Ugh, and they do this RIGHT after the season sets...

It will have an SRP of 79.98$

But when it hits stores like Walmart and Best Buy, it wont be that much, I assume like 60 or 70 dollars, depending on where you purchase it.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:19 pm

Krakabeast wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:
Quite frankly, their in-house dub is no longer relevant. It no longer fits with the new & hip image they've always tried to make it, and it has little-to-no nostalgia cred (unlike the genuine original). They can't market it as either "new hotness" or "awesome old show", so they might as well embrace the... ya' know... actual old show that it is.
I agree that the series should be released as intended, even if it is awkward to watch. I'm just saying that from a business standpoint, Funimation would want to stick with what has been selling well for years. No matter the price, I'm sure casual fans will still be picking this up and will be expecting what they saw on Toonami some years ago to be there. I know that $80 price tag wouldn't have stopped me from getting it even when I was a kid. As for me, I'll be watching it subbed and dubbed, no matter which dub track will be on it.

The Dragonball Z dub sells based on the visuals and not what audio track is used. So I really don't think it would matter which audio track goes on there.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:20 pm

Raki wrote:
Krakabeast wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:
Quite frankly, their in-house dub is no longer relevant. It no longer fits with the new & hip image they've always tried to make it, and it has little-to-no nostalgia cred (unlike the genuine original). They can't market it as either "new hotness" or "awesome old show", so they might as well embrace the... ya' know... actual old show that it is.
I agree that the series should be released as intended, even if it is awkward to watch. I'm just saying that from a business standpoint, Funimation would want to stick with what has been selling well for years. No matter the price, I'm sure casual fans will still be picking this up and will be expecting what they saw on Toonami some years ago to be there. I know that $80 price tag wouldn't have stopped me from getting it even when I was a kid. As for me, I'll be watching it subbed and dubbed, no matter which dub track will be on it.
The Dragonball Z dub sells based on the visuals and not what audio track is used. So I really don't think it would matter which audio track goes on there.

*dubbie plays the disc*

*"OMFG WTF IS THIS BORING SHIT?! I WANT FAULCONER" (they probably don't know his name, but still)*

*sends it back*

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:22 pm

Glad to know they don't like DragonBall!

I'm sure the club's readied a neat little welcoming party.

Krakabeast · Post by **Krakabeast** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:23 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:This release is not particularly aimed at them, but they will be buying it nonetheless via either informed or uninformed decisions.

As long as I'm not the only one who knows that. Now I feel better.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:27 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Raki wrote:
Krakabeast wrote: I agree that the series should be released as intended, even if it is awkward to watch. I'm just saying that from a business standpoint, Funimation would want to stick with what has been selling well for years. No matter the price, I'm sure casual fans will still be picking this up and will be expecting what they saw on Toonami some years ago to be there. I know that $80 price tag wouldn't have stopped me from getting it even when I was a kid. As for me, I'll be watching it subbed and dubbed, no matter which dub track will be on it.
The Dragonball Z dub sells based on the visuals and not what audio track is used. So I really don't think it would matter which audio track goes on there.
*dubbie plays the disc*

*"OMFG WTF IS THIS BORING SHIT?! I WANT FAULCONER" (they probably don't know his name, but still)*

*sends it back*

They bought it that is all that matters. All that needs to happen after that is they buy the next 6 sets as well.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:33 pm

Raki wrote:They bought it that is all that matters. All that needs to happen after that is they buy the next 6 sets as well.

If they aren't happy with the first Box, why would they buy another six?

~Da Lemmy

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:44 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:*dubbie plays the disc*

*"OMFG WTF IS THIS BORING SHIT?! I WANT FAULCONER" (they probably don't know his name, but still)*

*sends it back*

I don't know how many people are like this, but my "casual fan" friend is one of those types who doesn't go on the Internet and learn about all of this stuff. He just saw that DBZ was on DVD one day when he was at the store, really liked it when it was on TV, bought the first Season Set, took it home, and watched it. He didn't even go to the audio options and he didn't even notice that the soundtrack was different from when he used to watch his old VHS tapes he got as FUNi released them.

I had to tell him that there were two dub BGMs and only once did it effect him. He bought one of the movies or something that had the licensed heavy metal in it and switched to that track simply because he's a fan of whatever band they used in whatever movie it was. Other than that, he doesn't really care and he's one of those guys who I can talk DBZ with for hours. I'm pretty sure that his roommate (who also watched DBZ on Toonami) never noticed and I know that their girlfriends didn't notice because they never watched it before the Season Sets. Also, just to note, they and their girlfriends didn't find the JPN BGM boring, stupid, old, or anything like that.

I kind of have this image in my head that a lot of the people who bought the Season Sets are that kind of fan. They don't care. They just wanted to watch DBZ again. They said, "Yeah, I did notice that the colors were messed up on Season 2, but it didn't really bother me so whatever," just like my friend and his girlfriend did. Considering that internet nerds who come online to talk about anime and bitch about domestic releases seem few and far between compared to guys like the people I just described, in the long run it doesn't really matter to most people which BGM the dub has. So, for the sake of accuracy in comparison to the original, I'd like to see the JPN BGM.

If they only choose one dub and it's the US BGM dub, it really won't affect me much, though. But, while FUNi still has a choice, I'm choosing JP BGM based off of principle as well as personal music preference that stems from the time I watched the dub solely, didn't know about the differences between the JPN and US versions, and thought one BGM was for the movies and the other was for the series (as opposed to one being JPN and the other being US).

So, from my perspective, most dub-watching DBZ nostalgia seekers aren't going to notice or care.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:47 pm

The dub already is inaccurate, so adding the Japanese BGM won't help. So they might as well keep the one they've been using for years.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:49 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:The dub already is inaccurate, so adding the Japanese BGM won't help. So they might as well keep the one they've been using for years.

"Well, it's already dog shit on the carpet. Why don't we make it all funky-colored and wet so it stains the carpet, too!"

EDIT: Meaning, don't make what you're wanting out to sound worse than it may already be perceived.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:49 pm

Just keep both. Why is it even an issue? Keep the broadcast music for those who remember it fondly. And keep the original Japanese music because it's the original Japanese music.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:51 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:Just keep both. Why is it even an issue? Keep the broadcast music for those who remember it fondly. And keep the original Japanese music because it's the original Japanese music.

Exactly. And not only that, but the people who want the dub music out probably don't even watch the dub in the first place. So let us enjoy our version while you enjoy your's. It's as simple as that.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:53 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:Just keep both. Why is it even an issue? Keep the broadcast music for those who remember it fondly. And keep the original Japanese music because it's the original Japanese music.
Exactly. And not only that, but the people who want the dub music out probably don't even watch the dub in the first place. So let us enjoy our version while you enjoy your's. It's as simple as that.

You guys are still bitching about this!?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:53 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:Just keep both. Why is it even an issue? Keep the broadcast music for those who remember it fondly. And keep the original Japanese music because it's the original Japanese music.

It's something to talk about until we know more. I can't remember if godofchaos said there'd be room for three audio tracks or not, but I know he said there'd be enough room for two.

As long as we don't get all wangsty about it like we did several pages back (which we defused that on our own) there's no reason to not discuss it.

EDIT: First most of my points were completely ignored. Now we're using bold and interpreting discussion as something much worse. Shit. Better call it off before it turns into another grudge match.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:56 pm

I'm with Kendamu. I don't see the harm in discussing the pros/cons of including which/some/none/whatever. As long as it's a relevant discussion, you're bringing something new to the table, and not posting stuff like this:

Rory wrote:You guys are still bitching about this!?

... there is no issue.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:59 pm

Interesting view:

Betenoire of AoD Forum:
http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showpost.php ... stcount=49

Betenoire wrote:
Daimao Raki wrote: The 13 movies will probably be in their own set.
Which would have been my guess, but from the PR at the con:
The first of seven Dragon Boxes will be available at major retailers nationwide this Fall.The Dragon Box will be produced from the original Dragon Box masters after a frame by frame restoration and will span the entire 291 episode television series and all 13 of its movies.
which indicates to me that the movies are part of the 7 boxes. :shrug: Well find out more when the time comes I guess. For the sake of video, I hope they don't think they can get 7 eps and a movie on one disk...that could be problematic.:sd:

Krakabeast · Post by **Krakabeast** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:59 pm

Kendamu wrote:Now we're using bold and interpreting discussion as something much worse. Shit. Better call it off before it turns into another grudge match.

Time to start over again.

Oh wow, American Dragon Boxes! No way!

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:01 pm

Krakabeast wrote:Oh wow, American Dragon Boxes! No way!

No way! I can't believe it!

Look! A trailer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWcpVP12Cqc

Raki wrote:Interesting view:

Betenoire of AoD Forum:
http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showpost.php ... stcount=49
Betenoire wrote:
Daimao Raki wrote: The 13 movies will probably be in their own set.
Which would have been my guess, but from the PR at the con:
The first of seven Dragon Boxes will be available at major retailers nationwide this Fall.The Dragon Box will be produced from the original Dragon Box masters after a frame by frame restoration and will span the entire 291 episode television series and all 13 of its movies.
which indicates to me that the movies are part of the 7 boxes. :shrug: Well find out more when the time comes I guess. For the sake of video, I hope they don't think they can get 7 eps and a movie on one disk...that could be problematic.:sd:

I wonder what made them think that a movie was coming with each Box... Oh well.