"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Post by LightBing » Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:06 pm

Avok wrote:So we can only be mad at writing and animation?

I find the whole color-changing transformations to be really bad. Like, am I not allowed to dislike it just because it's just a color? Thats the exact reason why I don't like it in the first place!
Of course not.
I'm just commenting on lack of objectivity that I've seen here. If you don't like because it looks bad to you, that's a justifiable opinion. If you don't like it because it's makes Black soft and ruins him, that's you giving pink, or rose I guess, meaning that's not necessary implied. Therefore I don't think it's a valid criticism. It's like saying, that's stupid because I think that's stupid. Until they give the color a reason, which they didn't yet.

What you're saying about just changing colors and calling it new transformation, I may agree with. If that's what you mean. It's very lacking in the imagination department, although SSJ2 and SSJ3 fall in the same category. One's adding lightning, the other one it's just more hair.

Super Saiyan God is the kind of new transformations I would like to see. That's not just another color. It has youngish feature's, unique aura and reduced muscle mass. It feels like condensed power.

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Post by Avok » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:00 am

kinisking wrote: I understand if you don't like the color and thus don't like the transformation but I don't get not liking the fact that it's a recolor. It's literally the same transformation with different ki. No wonder it's just a color change. They aren't new transformations
Well, I don't like SSG and SSB in the first place, so it's only natural that I don't like yet another version of them.
Boo Machine wrote: I didn't say you couldn't be mad. If you don't like it that's cool. But I find the outrage over the top for something seemingly insignificant (and barely even confirmed to be an actual thing). What form would you rather see that would make you happy that doesn't cross over into "lazy" or "fan fiction" ?
I don't really know, because whatever I come up with will be fan-fiction tier (:P) but I think there are other cool ways of making these God forms (even though I'd preffer if SSG was an one-time thing like fusions).

Something like this is really cool. Or the same colored auras they have, but with the usual Super Saiyan as base, change the eye colors to red and blue if you want.

And if they really wanted to go with the colored hair route for special occasions, use more natural colors that follow the decoloration pattern. Like grey, white, brown, dark red, etc.

What I don't like is the over-the-top colors in the hair, and I feel like these overly poweful forms exclude other characters. I know it's always been like this with Dragon Ball, but this was the time to change that.

Yo know what I found extremely cool? The SSB+Kaioken thing. Obviously didn't like the blue, but the concept was spot on. That's the concept the series should have had expanded on. Make it a complement to the usual Super Saiyan, but add limitations so it doesn't get spammed, come up with ways so the other characters are useful, and you're set.
Right now the show is heading towards who can pool the most colorful form to be the winner.
LightBing wrote: Of course not.
I'm just commenting on lack of objectivity that I've seen here. If you don't like because it looks bad to you, that's a justifiable opinion. If you don't like it because it's makes Black soft and ruins him, that's you giving pink, or rose I guess, meaning that's not necessary implied. Therefore I don't think it's a valid criticism. It's like saying, that's stupid because I think that's stupid. Until they give the color a reason, which they didn't yet.

What you're saying about just changing colors and calling it new transformation, I may agree with. If that's what you mean. It's very lacking in the imagination department, although SSJ2 and SSJ3 fall in the same category. One's adding lightning, the other one it's just more hair.

Super Saiyan God is the kind of new transformations I would like to see. That's not just another color. It has youngish feature's, unique aura and reduced muscle mass. It feels like condensed power.
As I said above, I don't even like the SSB and SSG transformations, SSB being the one I hate the most.
SS2 was a subtle change, lighting, more spikes, more aggressiveness. It does the job because it's not too intrusive. SS3 is a little too extravagant, but I guess it works because it's an exclusive form that can only be achieved under intensive training, and it's just more hair with the same color and feel as the other transformations.

These new forms, on the other hand, are too extravagant. I can give a pass to the red hair, sorta, but blue and pink and whatever comes after it's just too much. They feel inorganic, even candy-like.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:28 am

Chuquita wrote:I'm curious how they're going to differentiate it from ssjblue in the manga. All these recent versions of ssj are made with the tv series (or movies) in mind first.
I don't follow the manga, but I'd guess the only thing different would be the aura or something. The readers would probably be smart enough to know Black's not using a different form. :P
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Post by kinisking » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:40 am

Honestly, I wish everyone just stayed in their base forms. I always thought everyone besides for trunks and maybe vegeta looked better that way anyways.
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Post by Boo Machine » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:43 am

Boo Machine wrote: I didn't say you couldn't be mad. If you don't like it that's cool. But I find the outrage over the top for something seemingly insignificant (and barely even confirmed to be an actual thing). What form would you rather see that would make you happy that doesn't cross over into "lazy" or "fan fiction" ?
I don't really know, because whatever I come up with will be fan-fiction tier (:P) but I think there are other cool ways of making these God forms (even though I'd preffer if SSG was an one-time thing like fusions).

Something like this is really cool. Or the same colored auras they have, but with the usual Super Saiyan as base, change the eye colors to red and blue if you want.

And if they really wanted to go with the colored hair route for special occasions, use more natural colors that follow the decoloration pattern. Like grey, white, brown, dark red, etc.

What I don't like is the over-the-top colors in the hair, and I feel like these overly poweful forms exclude other characters. I know it's always been like this with Dragon Ball, but this was the time to change that.

Yo know what I found extremely cool? The SSB+Kaioken thing. Obviously didn't like the blue, but the concept was spot on. That's the concept the series should have had expanded on. Make it a complement to the usual Super Saiyan, but add limitations so it doesn't get spammed, come up with ways so the other characters are useful, and you're set.
Right now the show is heading towards who can pool the most colorful form to be the winner.
Yeah, its a bit hard to come up with forms that isnt just straight up more hair or different colors. Which might be the reason why I personally don't blame them for using recolors. Grey's, browns, or dark red would like kind of meh to my eyes and I've always liked my bright colors, so it never bothered me to much. (Though I've always like the weird black hair SSj thing Goku one time.)

You're not wrong about forms excluding characters. Ever since Super Saiyan became a thing more and more characters were forced to be side lined because they have to have stronger villains to challenge that thus making more Super Saiyan form. Which is why Limitations for forms like they did with the SSB+Kaioken thing, is a really cool direction they could have went with. Hell the Drawback for using that gave goku a really good episode with pan. I feel like they were taking a step in that direction with SSJ 3 being such an energy drain. Hell I don't think anyone has ever won a fight using SSJ 3 aside from one movie. But now they have Blue, a bright, colorful form with seemingly no draw backs. (To the point a lot of people question why Goku or vegeta don't just go Blue right away during a crucial moment.) So I can see why it would bother people.

I think I've seen a few people say they wouldn't have a problem with The SSJ pink thing, if its a form exclusive to Black, like if it's his own form of SSJ or SSJ god. Which is a view I share and am thinking is the case since the "leak" of the form wasn't debut on Goku or Vegeta. But if Goku and Vegeta end up getting it and cycling through every color under the sun than I would have to agree that the colors are ridiculous especially since the Blue form is still fairly new. But right now all they have is Blue and I don't think they are in danger of smearing Bubble gum in their hair in the near future, so I don't think the panic alarm needs to be pulled quite yet.
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Post by Boo Machine » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:46 am

kinisking wrote:Honestly, I wish everyone just stayed in their base forms. I always thought everyone besides for trunks and maybe vegeta looked better that way anyways.
In their base forms, kind of like a "having their potential unlocked" thing going on and not needing to transform like with Ultimate Gohan? (Is it a transformation?)

Because if so, I think that would be pretty neat. I'd miss the Golden locks though.
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Post by Kagari » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:20 am

kinisking wrote:Honestly, I wish everyone just stayed in their base forms. I always thought everyone besides for trunks and maybe vegeta looked better that way anyways.
Yeah I agree. I don't really find these multi-color transformations very exciting. I guess I could deal with white but we're not getting that.

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Post by Makai » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:39 am

ArchedThunder wrote: Also at Makai, I'm not exactly sure why colors are less creative than numbers...
They're not, and that's why they started calling it Super Saiyan God, etc. Instead of just using more numbers after 3.

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Post by MCDaveG » Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:03 am

Wow, haven't been there like for one week and you are still going about Black's hair being rose colour? :lol:
I guess that nothing important hit the news then...
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Post by JoeCapricorn » Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:17 am

What if they named Super Saiyan forms after food or vegetables?

I don't know why but Super Saiyan Spinach sounds hilarious.

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Post by Avery » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:07 am

So, is "rose" always romanized as "roze" or could it be literally named after Rosé (the wine)?
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Post by SansrivaaL » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:38 am

I would have loved a white super saiyan, a SSJ1 or 2 hairstyle with white hair... oh yeah, that would be cool. I Hope Akira Toriyama still plans on doing a white recolor. Part of me is quite happy that Black doesnt get the white hair transformation since I want Goku or Vegeta to be the one to have that color.

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Post by namekiansaiyan » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:46 am

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namekiansaiyan wrote:This will be too much Goku when the arcs needs less of him.
It wouldn't be that big of a deal if he wasn't written as bad as he is.
I don't care how good the writing is because if all I am doing is only watching Goku fight every episode then I will not like it. If this continues it will become the worst arc of Super for me as character usage if the most important thing to me.

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Post by Bullza » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:22 am

Well they're having Trunks and Vegeta fight in tomorrows episode.

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Post by TekTheNinja » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:24 am

Bullza wrote:Well they're having Trunks and Vegeta fight in tomorrows episode.
I doubt it will amount to anything. For whatever reason Toriyama seems to want Goku and Vegeta to be the only useful Z fighters in the show, so while I wish Trunks would be on their tier all he's probably gonna get is a short sparing match that makes him a little stronger. I wish it would be major but Super is all about disappointments.

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Post by kinisking » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:43 am

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Bullza wrote:Well they're having Trunks and Vegeta fight in tomorrows episode.
I doubt it will amount to anything. For whatever reason Toriyama seems to want Goku and Vegeta to be the only useful Z fighters in the show, so while I wish Trunks would be on their tier all he's probably gonna get is a short sparing match that makes him a little stronger. I wish it would be major but Super is all about disappointments.
It's called the future trunks arc. He'll do something. This is the only the second arc in the show and super's first real story arc. Let's not assume anything.
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Post by MozillaVulpix » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:49 am

Super has flaws, but I don't personally see having too much Goku as one of them. The only thing that felt a little too blatant in giving Goku unneeded prominence was the whole ending to RF. And that's something you can blame on the fact that it was a movie first and probably didn't want to break the mold, like every other movie up until that point.

I see people saying it won't be fair if Goku gets to beat Black, but why would they introduce an evil Goku, if not to give him a personal connection to Goku and make it more satisfying when they eventually fight? Goku beating Black makes more sense than Goku beating Buu, or Goku beating Piccolo Daimao. Those were threats who didn't affect him directly (at first) or even care about who he was. Black definitely does.
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Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:21 am

I am in full agreement with Mozilla Vulpix. The connection between Gokuu and Black has already been established. Black wants to learn more about Gokuu. Also Zamasu who I am assuming will also be an antagonist of this arc hates Gokuu. So, it would make sense if Gokuu finishes off both of them.

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Post by namekiansaiyan » Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:30 am

TekTheNinja wrote:
Bullza wrote:Well they're having Trunks and Vegeta fight in tomorrows episode.
I doubt it will amount to anything. For whatever reason Toriyama seems to want Goku and Vegeta to be the only useful Z fighters in the show, so while I wish Trunks would be on their tier all he's probably gonna get is a short sparing match that makes him a little stronger. I wish it would be major but Super is all about disappointments.
I don't even see Vegeta fighting in this arc.
MozillaVulpix wrote:Super has flaws, but I don't personally see having too much Goku as one of them. The only thing that felt a little too blatant in giving Goku unneeded prominence was the whole ending to RF. And that's something you can blame on the fact that it was a movie first and probably didn't want to break the mold, like every other movie up until that point.

I see people saying it won't be fair if Goku gets to beat Black, but why would they introduce an evil Goku, if not to give him a personal connection to Goku and make it more satisfying when they eventually fight? Goku beating Black makes more sense than Goku beating Buu, or Goku beating Piccolo Daimao. Those were threats who didn't affect him directly (at first) or even care about who he was. Black definitely does.
Too much Goku means not enough time for the rest of the cast. Dragon ball before would never have been popular if it was like Super. Every scene has Goku in it, he does all the fighting and all the speaking. He does everything, can't you see that as the worst thing in this show. It is not hard to give something for other characters to do.

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Post by MozillaVulpix » Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:45 am

namekiansaiyan wrote:Too much Goku means not enough time for the rest of the cast. Dragon ball before would never have been popular if it was like Super. Every scene has Goku in it, he does all the fighting and all the speaking. He does everything, can't you see that as the worst thing in this show. It is not hard to give something for other characters to do.
Dragon Ball was almost always like that before Piccolo Daimao, though. The first arc - Goku does most of the fighting. Red Ribbon Army - Goku does almost absolutely everything. The tournaments - always building up a confrontation between Goku and someone else.

In Super, Vegeta fights Freeza and is probably as strong as Goku, and gets to be in more fights than Goku in the tournament. In this arc, Future Trunks is the one getting all the character development and resolve, while Goku's just there for the ride. So far, at least.

I mean, it doesn't hold a candle to what the series did in the Z-era, but you can't say the original series has never been like this in some capacity.
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