"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[TheDevilsCorpse]

This isn't the place to discuss leaks of the chapter that haven't even appeared. Save the discussion for existing content or the chapter itself when there is something to talk about.

[Saiga]

On comparing the antagonists, I prefer Hit's manga characterization to the anime. It's nice seeing him struggle to keep up with Goku, rather than being able to handle something as riduculous as Kaio-ken Blue. Toyotarou does a good job of keeping these transformations feeling meaningful and powerful

I do think the 10% line was a bit on the nose, but Toyotarou improved upon it in the following arc where Goku explains it a little differently and applies it to his fight with Hit so that he really had to use SSB in one 'shot' like he did.

I do like that anime Hit took longer to warm up to Goku, but it also dragged out the fight a bit. I also liked that Hit improved without getting stronger by his time-skip improving. If I wanted the best of both worlds I would have liked for Hit's improvement to kick in and be the reason he dodged Blue Goku's Kamehameha and the fight to continue a bit longer where he was better able to keep up with Goku.

Can't compare Black's personality across the mediums - I didn't see much of a difference. But I dislike how he just kept on getting more powerful, without even being healed and became so overpowered before his fusion. The way manga Black had his good showings but still hit obstacles was nice, as was the way he needed future Zamasu.

I also think future Zamasu's power in the manga is more sensible. Some of his showings in the anime are pretty crazy, and it makes you wonder why he lowered himself to using a mortal's body if he can reach such high levels of strength on his own.

[TKA]

Can't compare Black's personality across the mediums - I didn't see much of a difference.

There really isn't any difference when it comes to personality. The differences are the situations they're put in, which allows them to react to things differently. For example, Manga Black never is put into a situation where he's alone with Zamas and they're casually talking (Nozawa's acting is a big part of why people like Black, even if they refuse to openly admit it) and drinking tea. Likewise, Anime Black never gets beaten as badly as Manga Black, so we never get to see him become desperate. I, of course, find the situations the manga put Black into to be far more substantive than the anime's rendition.

[OLKv3]

Can't compare Black's personality across the mediums - I didn't see much of a difference.

There really isn't any difference when it comes to personality. The differences are the situations they're put in, which allows them to react to things differently. For example, Manga Black never is put into a situation where he's alone with Zamas and they're casually talking (Nozawa's acting is a big part of why people like Black, even if they refuse to openly admit it) and drinking tea. Likewise, Anime Black never gets beaten as badly as Manga Black, so we never get to see him become desperate. I, of course, find the situations the manga put Black into to be far more substantive than the anime's rendition.

There is a scene where Manga Black casually talks with Manga Zamasu at their little cottage. It's the chapter where Trunks gets saved by Gowasu and Shin. They talk about their plans, then have a fun little murder trip killing the rest of the Ningen

[JazzMazz]

Sintzu probably meant the villains in the manga are weaker compared to their anime counterparts that seem extremly overpowered.

We have all made numerous replies trying to explain why Hit is not a weakling and I feel most of the replies, specifically Rebel Instinct’s, are not being read thoroughly.

You guys probably view the manga antagonists as weaker because their power is more balanced compared to the protagonists and is not as overexaggreted in the anime.

Someone in the Kaioken vs. CSSB Thread even questions as to why Goku has to do a Kaioken x10. It seems like an absurd power boost for someone who is already powerful and is close to Hit’s level in the anime. Especially so early in the arc when they just defeated Golden Frieza without KK Blue. The anime really fails to give SSB proper screen time and only seems to make it look weaker and weaker post Ressurection F arc.

Is that what you really want in your series? Your protagonist to constantly be weaker only to get an absurd boost in power for the sake of a flashy spectacle when he returns to fight his opponent? And the same goes for the villain as well. Do they really need to be that powerful with little explanation? Does that really make a villain “better”?

If you’re referring to the personality of these antagonists in the anime version, I sort of get it.

But I really hope people would eventually understand that a story with a more balanced and grounded antagonist is a better way of portraying them as opposed to one with absurd and over the top power boosts.

The reason why people think Hit is weak is because Toyotaro never framed the character in a particularly threatening light, and I mean that quite literally. Toyo, in my opinion, completely failed to create any real intimidation around the character, due to Toyo never really posing him in a particularly powerful manner over our protagonists. He is always presented, quite literally, as being a little flat, and I don't think I can blame people for that poor presentation in a VISUAL MEDIUM leading them to believe that Hit is actually weak, when he was never visually presented as really being otherwise, which is something the anime staff went out of their way to make sure off when handling the character. In the context of the story, Hit is by no means a weakling, however, he merely comes off as one due to never really being framed in a position of power for any extended period of time. In other words, I, and a lot of other people feel that Toyo really didn't visually sell the imposing nature of the character, which is a common complaint I personally have with Toyo's manga.

My above argument is what I typically mean when I say the manga antagonists look weak. In context, they are usually supposed to be intimidating(even though I could argue that is hardly ever the case), however, I feel Toyo doesn't go the extra mile with how he frames his antagonists, which is something that is blatantly obvious when you see the anime's staff's attempts at framing antagonists(mind you, this is only really true for specific, truly talented members of the staff), with episodes like episode 38 and 65 having far stronger basic compositions than the manga. Toyo's weak unique compositions and framing in comparison, really doesn't help sell how imposing these characters should be, and that's something I stand by when talking about the majority of Toyo's stuff up to the TOP really.

I say the TOP, because of late his really seemed to be trying to improve his general panelling and layouts, and with definitively stronger character writing in this section of the arc, I feel like he definitely has a shot a blowing the anime's interpretation of the TOP out of the water(not that doing that is particularly hard to do).

I don't exactly know what you mean by framing, but the panel where Black and Trunks were standing in the rain and Black says he's going to spare Trunks' life is one of the most dramatic shots of a villain in Dragonball. There are also many other great panels like the one where SS1 Black and Vegeta punch eachother, and Black has the biggest smirk on his face. I think Black was very imposing, and just because he wasn't ripping open holes in space-time doesn't mean he didn't look like a threat.

It took me a while to adequately gather my thoughts on this, but I think I finally understand the vital thing that manga Black lacked from his anime counter-part when it came to his visual composition and characterization, something which was also true for even merged Zamasu in the manga.

The main problem with Toyotaro's interpretation of the Zamasu in all his incarnations, is that he never presents them as the divine, heavenly, godly beings they are supposed to be, something which the anime staff went out of their way to emphasize.

I'll use episode 56 of showcase of how the anime characterized Black and Zamasu as divine, imposing deities through composition and visual story-telling from scene to scene, and I'll start with how Black appears before our heroes.

When summoned, he appears through the nice visual of him being birthed from the clouds, which is a nice little visual motif that already introduces the idea of how Black is of a heavenly nature, something which I think is a nice way of tying back to his appearance in episode 47, where he only really appeared as this mysterious creature that travelled through the clouds above, striking at random.

The tension for the scene is immediately set up with this brilliant shot which immediately establishes where Black stands in comparison to our heroes, with him being a huge dominating figure, who almost appears to be standing on a pedestal above our heroes, who look insignificant in comparison.
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Hell, even when we are given a front on shot of Black, its from a low angle, with Black literally looking down his nose at our heroes, something which kind of becomes a repeated theme throughout the episode which gives Black a really "holier than thou" sort of feel to him.
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Even when Vegeta turns Blue, he still is framed in a manner which makes them look insignificant in comparison, his still very much on his pedestal despite the appearance of Blue. This, combined with Blacks eerie calmness throughout, do a wonderful job of making the scene extremely tense, as well as creating a sense of intrigue.
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Black at that point, is still a presented as a heavenly being above our heroes, who resides in the sky, before the lowly ground dwelling mortals. He only really takes to the ground to battle Vegeta on the level of mortals, and even then, his still shown as an imposing force, with him still looking down his nose at our heroes, or being seen from fairly low angle shots.
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However, since his been grounded at that point, he seen less and less often in low angles, as at that point, his not really above our heroes anymore.

This more grounded, though still intimidating view of Black completely changes with the transformation into Rose, which is just great. One of my favourite parts of it is when Blacks Rose aura literally reaches and cracks open the heavens, showing that it is indeed a power of divine might.
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After the reveal of the transformation, Black again takes his place in the heavens, looking down, and towering over, not only our heroes but everything as far as the eye can see.

Even when our heroes are given prominent space in the frame, there is a real sense of distance between them and Black, with Black still being positioned menacingly above them.
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Something I also think is worth mentioning when talking about the anime adaptation of Black, is the sheer of level of character acting involved with selling the narcissistic aspects of his personality. The anime gave Black lots of personality through nothing more than his poses, and they do a fantastic job of selling his flamboyant god complex just as effectively as any speech or line of dialogue could ever hope to. It really gives Black as a character a unique personality that separates him from his other contemporaries.

Be it from him gesturing his arms in order to show his authority(which is framed in manner where he literally towers over everything, again, divine imagery).
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To him sassily gesturing that the now truly insignificant Vegeta's time in the limelight is over, Blacks poses and body language gives a real animated feel to the character that I feel the manga doesn't really capture adequately in its interpretation.
[spoiler]Love how huge and dominating the heavenly Black feels in comparison to the lowly ground bound mortal Vegeta in this shot. Black sassy pose just elevates the dialogue here in all the right ways. Black is literally a giant in comparison.
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This leads into this great angle, where Vegeta, explodes from the fore-ground, directly at Black in the distant background, which does a good job of conveying Vegeta fighting Black at his own divine level.
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Though this isn't necessarily true for every episode in this arc(even though it is for a the majority), where the combat takes place, and where characters are positioned in correlation to one another does a great job of visually conveying where characters stand in relation to one another. In this episode for example, Black goes to down to fight Vegeta on the ground from his domain in the sky, to battle Vegeta on a lesser level. However, as soon as he transforms, all the combat from that point forward takes place in the sky, with Goku and Vegeta flying up in Blue to face him.

Anyway, Vegeta's battle with the newly transformed Black, leads into one of my favourite moments from the arc, Vegeta's sudden and swift impalement, which is even more shocking considering the position of power he seemed to be in over Black during their brief scuffle.
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[spoiler]Really love the dramatic reveal of this shot, the build up to the reveal only emphasizes how big this moment is, and for me, its one of Black's peak moments.[/spoiler]

Back to what I mentioned earlier about our heroes challenging Black in the sky as Blue, I think Vegeta's fall from grace really does a good job of potraying that, especially with how the fall is timed, with him falling out of Blue right before losing all his bearings flopping to the ground. The fact he flops to the ground immediately after transforming, I believe, does a fantastic job of demonstrating how only Vegeta in Blue could hope to stand up to Black, and without it, he must merely fall back down to the lower mortal level.
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After Vegeta's fall, they fantastically convey Black as this dominant ruler of the heavens, with him not only being positioned at the very top of the frame, but also with him being the centre of the background, with the dark clouds in the sky prominently forming around him. Again, Black is a heavenly divine being, who literally looks down from above to deliver his judgement on mortals. Scenes like this do a fantastic job of characterizing him as such.
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Again, this idea of Black fighting opponents of similar stature being demonstrated through characters flying transforming to fly up and meet him is demonstrated perfectly when Goku Blue goes up to confront Black. Immediately when he enters the frame with Black, though himself assuming a position of power, is still inferior and less imposing than the one held by Black.
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The next shot however, demonstrates Black and Goku both being higher beings on a relatively similar level though through the low angle framing of the scene and Goku and Black both holding prominent positions. The only real difference hear between the characters, is posture and posing, with Black being in a more upright position than Goku, demonstrating his confidence.
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Black re-attains complete dominance of the sky when he literally knocks Goku out of his heavenly realm, back to the mortal ground in which he belongs(something very much in line with Vegeta, though this time, the fact it was Blue that was knocked down, demonstrates that Blue's level of power is below the divinity of Black). This is followed by this great scene where Black, although small, is now literally standing on a pedestal above our protagonists.
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Black again pertains his dominance over the action in the frame, again, being the main subject of the scene and standing on a pedestal.
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That is followed by this great perspective shot, that I think beautifully encapsulates how dominant a figure Black is in the anime. Black is huge and towering over the frame like he has not done throughout the entire episode. Goku, whom Black is looking down upon, looks like a mere speck in comparison. In the anime, its shots like this that really sell the absolute threat factor of Black, not merely to Trunks, but to all our protagonists.
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This is followed by another great low angle shot of Black in his Kamehameha pose looking down, while filling literally the entire frame, like some form of imposing giant.
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This leads in wonderfully to Zamasu's introduction and the end of the episode. The heavens literally split away to allow Zamasu, covered in divine light to take his place directly beside Black, which does a wonderful job of communicating where these two characters stand with each other(namely as equals), as they both stand on their pedestal above our heroes.
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The episode then ends on this fantastic low angle, slightly canted shot, which emphasizes the distance between Goku and Black and Zamasu, both physically and figuratively, with them still being barely visible in the distance, while also completely towering over them.
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I could probably do more breakdowns of episodes that had very similar focus on this sort of thing, like episodes 47, 57, 65, and 66, but I think I've communicated my general point.

No one liked Black for ripping open holes in reality just cause.

People liked Black in the anime because they went above and beyond to sell these aspects of his character through careful framing and composition, specifically, the divine heavenly aspect of his character, which I believe is sorely unrepresented in the manga interpretation.

Though I thought Blacks talk in the rain was very uncomfortable in terms of atmosphere, with Black being merely enshrouded in shadows, with several extreme close-ups of parts of his body, I thought how the scene was actually framed at points could be a little stronger, and sadly that kind of atmosphere wasn't consistently captured around the character in the manga.

As for the simultaneous punching panel, I really didn't like that, at all. Its just kind of bleh to me. To me, manga Black, just isn't very interesting outside of a few key scenes, and how he is framed doesn't really help that. He doesn't feel as animated or lively a character as a his anime counter-part, and I would say Toyo completely dropped the ball in capturing any sense of divinity in Black, which is still a major thing about his character in the manga.

I'm sorry for this kind of rambly post, I thank you if you managed to get this far, its just something that I've wanted to get out there. I hope this makes some lick of sense.

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On a completely unrelated note, a lot of people have been saying that Blacks characterization and personality wasn't any different between interpretations, and that's just patently false. There is clear massive difference to how Blacks personality was handled.

In the anime, Black is excessively flamboyant, sinister(fiendish even) and cool headed.

In the manga, Black is extremely blunt, brutal and tempermental.

These were the biggest differences in their characterization.

I'm not stating this an opinion, these are observations about the character that are shown to the audience.

They are completely different characters in their handling, interpretation and execution.

[Bergamo]

I think what makes Black unique in the manga is how he constantly recoils after being defeated. Even though most DB villains are defeated at one point or another before reaching their final form, the way Black comes back stronger like a saiyan makes him imposing. Black was by far the most persistent villain in DB. When God Zamas said that he was going to travel to all of the parallel worlds and chase Goku throughout time to the ends of the multiverse, he really seemed like a threat to all of existence.

[JazzMazz]

I think what makes Black unique in the manga is how he constantly recoils after being defeated. Even though most DB villains are defeated at one point or another before reaching their final form, the way Black comes back stronger like a saiyan makes him imposing. Black was by far the most persistent villain in DB. When God Zamas said that he was going to travel to all of the parallel worlds and chase Goku throughout time to the ends of the multiverse, he really seemed like a threat to all of existence.

Are we forgetting Buu guys?

How did sky Zamasu fail to have a similar effect? I mean, I vastly prefer infinite Zamasu clones to that god awful CGI sky effect, but I think the fact its energy could be felt in the goddamn present is pretty terrifying to even consider.

[Rebel Instinct]

-snip-

Part of me really wants to create a post similar to yours showing the different ways Goku Black and Zamasu were framed in the manga and give my interpretations of the scenes panel by panel and a part of me really doesn't. I'm also not sure if posting full panels from the manga as examples is against the rules or not, but even if it weren't, I don't feel like it'd be able to really convince anyone with strong convictions on the subject of anything significant. It might be a nice read for others who like the manga version of Black, but I feel like those who already dislike the manga version aren't going to change their minds or really even want to have their minds changed in the first place. That's not an insult to anyone or anything, it's just reality and I don't want to waste mine or anyone else's time with a complicated post like that. Yours is such an obviously passionate and strongly held opinion and a lot of it comes from personal interpretation of the scenes in question. I don't want to go through and categorically point out "Well, the manga did this and I though that was great too." to every point. I feel that would just get super tedious for everyone involved.

I will say that there are several examples in the manga that use good framing to establish the tone and direction of the fight that's going on. When Goku Black has the advantage, he is often framed as standing over his opponents or otherwise "above" the person he is fighting. In his first encounter with Goku and Vegeta, Black is shown hovering in the air above and talking down to them before descending to their level to fight them. In the first battle with Vegeta, Black is shown to be slightly weaker than his opponent and is mostly framed at the same level as Vegeta. After Vegeta goes Blue and starts overpowering Black, Vegeta is then framed several times as being "above" him (striking him from above, knocking Black to the ground, hovering above him in the air). After Black gets his first Zenkai, he is then framed as standing above or at the same level as Vegeta (standing atop a building, knocking Vegeta to the ground, raining ki blasts down from above). Then after achieving Rosé, Black is regularly framed as being above his opponents until Vegeta returns to the future after training in the Time Chamber (knocking Vegeta to the ground, repeatedly slamming Trunks' head into the ground, ascending into the air to charge a blast to finish off Trunks, standing above Trunks and the others on a rooftop and casting Gowasu's body down from above after impaling him).

I do want to point out that these scenes aren't used to establish a heightened sense of divinity for Black, but they do help to establish when he has the advantage and gives off an air of dominance in those scenes. Toyotaro never goes out of his way to frame Black as particularly heavenly or godlike, but he does frequently frame him as being a brutal and dominating force when he has the advantage over his enemies. I think this lack of abject divinity and focus on physical brutality is entirely intentional on Toyotaro's part rather than him failing to give the impression of godliness. This segues into another point I wanted to mention.

I don't think that Toyotaro eschewing exemplifying the divinity of Goku Black and Zamasu is inherently a flaw. I don't think he ever intended to frame either Black or Zamasu as ultra divine and heavenly to begin with. If that's the case, then I feel like the criticism that the character is "sorely lacking" or that he "dropped the ball" may not apply since it was never his intention to do so in the first place. It's hard to say that someone dropped the ball on an idea they were never actually trying to convey. The idea of Black not feeling godly enough is predicated on an expectation of the character set by the anime and not based on one the manga created on its own. It relies on the idea that Toyotaro needed to frame him the same way the anime did (flamboyant, heavenly, and overwhelming) and failed to do so properly, that Black's character is damaged without these traits. Toyotaro never goes out of his way to give Black or Zamasu flashy grandiose entrances with the skies parting and columns of light or have them display overly posh body language. Instead, he chooses to frame their superiority by making their expressions and actions feel brutal, intense and sinister. Black comes off as a sadistic brute and a bully - pummeling his opponents, headbutting Vegeta, beating Trunks' head into the ground and dragging him through buildings like a wrecking ball. Considering that there were never any visual cues, gestures or perspectives meant to make Black feel posh and divine, it seems obvious to me that Toyotaro never intended to take that angle on the character at all and that expecting Black to be anything like that is an expectation/want informed by the anime rather than one set up by the manga.

An interesting note is that back in Z, Toriyama never really portrayed the Kais and their ilk as feeling overly divine or holy either. Shin, Kibito and Elder Kai were never shown in a particularly godly light. They were gods, but they were shown to be inferior in many ways to the mortals they were interacting with and were mostly made the butt of jokes shortly after their introduction. They all had very human flaws and quirks like Shin's incompetence, Kibito's exaggerated reactions and casual arrogance and Elder Kai's lecherousness and constant childish complaining. From what i can tell, making the Kais out to be serene and holy are traits that the staff at Toei chose to emphasize. Other than Black and Zamasu's insistence that the Kais are dignified gods that carry an air of divine righteousness, no other Kai in the manga has ever exemplified these traits. I feel like Toyotaro's direction is very in-line with how Toriyama portrayed the Kais in the past. They were always very "human" in their personalities and in the way they conducted themselves and I think Toyotaro was just following suite. Toei exaggerated the divine aspects of the Kais with Goku Black and Zamasu to spectacular effect and allowed them to own every scene they were in (you'll never hear me say that they were boring characters in the anime). Anyone can make the case that they felt Black and/or Zamasu were more imposing or entertaining in the anime. That's not an argument I would refute since people can like whatever they like and there are many good things to like about the anime versions of the characters. I'd never argue against preferring Black's personality in the anime either, that'd be ridiculous. That's like arguing whose favorite color is better. I mean, I liked the panel where Black and Vegeta crossed punches in the manga while you felt it was "bleh" and I thought that Black was still a very interesting character in the manga. Neither interpretation is wrong.

That said, I feel like saying Toyotaro's "failed" as an author/artist to make Black feel divine and godly enough is a bit of an unfair criticism of his ability. Since he never really went out of his way to make Black (or even Zamasu) come off as overly divine right from the start, I feel like it's less Toyotaro failing as an author to make him feel that way and more of him consciously taking the character in a different direction. I actually liked how Black prattled on about being the "one true god" and being "divine justice" to mortals in the manga while hypocritically behaving no differently than them and never consistently holding an advantage. He considered himself flawless and above it all, but despite being a literal god, he acted like nothing of the sort and held no real advantages for being one. He was just as belligerent, brutal and flawed as the worst mortals and nothing he was capable of was anything the mortal heroes couldn't have achieved themselves. None of this is to say anyone can't dislike the way Toyotaro framed Black as a character, but I feel like he did it rather well for the way he set him up. If he had set the character up to be posh and divine like in the anime then gave us the framing of Black we got in the manga, I'd definitely see how the character wouldn't measure up. I just separate the two versions of the character and judge them based only on what each medium gives me to work with. In my opinion, Black lived up to the direction that the manga had set up. After seeing what Zamasu was like in the manga, i never expected Black to be framed as flamboyantly godly and above it all as his anime counterpart. Because of that, I was never let down.

[ToshioWrites]

[spoiler]guy on NForums who is super reliable and always has the manga says Jiren takes out hit[/spoiler]

[Mattias_]

Updated list on the manga version. Chapter 35 is about Son Goku vs Jiren.


Manga Version:

Chapter 33 / 34/ 35:

[spoiler]1. Murisam (Universe 10) was eliminited by A17 (Universe 7)

2. Rubalt (Universe 10) was eliminited by Freezer (Universe 7)

3. Prum (Universe 2) was eliminited by A18 (Universe 7)

4. Jimeze (Universe 2) was eliminited by A18 (Universe 7) & Prum (Universe 2)

5. Katopesla (Universe 3) was eliminited by Vegeta (Universe 7)

6. Nink (Universe 4) was eliminited by Vegeta (Universe 7)

7. Krillin (Universe 7) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

8. Dr. Rota (Universe 6) was eliminited by ?????

9. Monna (Universe 4) was eliminited by ??????

10. Viara (Universe 3) was eliminited by ??????

11. Narirama (Universe 3) was eliminited by ??????

12. Tenshinhan (Universe 7) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

13. Oregano (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

14. Roselle (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

15. Hyssop (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

16. Cheppil (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

17. Sorrell (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

18. Hop (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

19. Comfrey (Universe 9) was eliminited by Frost (Universe 6)

20. Frost (Universe 6) was eliminited by Freezer (Universe 7)

21. Lavender (Universe 9) was eliminited by Freezer (Universe 7)

22. Basil (Universe 9) was eliminited by Freezer (Universe 7)

23. Bergamo (Universe 9) was eliminited by Freezer (Universe 7)

Universe 9 Erased.

24. Hit (Universe 6) was eliminited by Jiren (Universe 11)


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1 - Frost (8)
2 - Freezer (r)
3 - Vegeta (2)
4 - A18 (2)
5 - A17 (1)
6 - Prum (1)
7 - Hit (1)

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80 - Murisam
79 - Rubalt
78 - Prum
77 - Jimeze
76 - Katopesla
75 - Nink
74 - Krillin
73 - Dr. Rota
72 - Monna
71 - Viara (U3)
70 - Narirama (U3)
69 - Tenshinhan
68 - Oregano
67 - Roselle
66 - Hyssop
65 - Cheppil
64 - Sorrell
63 - Hop
62 - Comfrey
61 - Frost
60 - Lavender
59 - Basil
58 - Bergamo
57 - Hit

Universe 7 has eliminated 9 competitors.
Universe 6 has eliminated 8 competitors.
Universe 2 has eliminated 1 competitor.
Universe 11 has eliminated 1 competitor.

U2 - 8/10
U3 - 7/10
U4 - 8/10
U6 - 7/10
U7 - 8/10
U9 - ERASED
U10 - 8/10
U11 - 10/10[/spoiler]

[ToshioWrites]

Mssb Goku gets wrecked and almost ringed out

Also No spirit bomb or Omen in this chapter

[Zamasu55]

Tears in my eyes. Everyone will rage soon.

[Zamasu55]

Big change from the anime then.
Jiren vs Goku happens sooner than the anime, and Hit lasts less than U10.

[OLKv3]

I hope the fight is good, cmon Toyo

[TheSaiyanGod]

Big change from the anime then.
Jiren vs Goku happens sooner than the anime, and Hit lasts less than U10.

Where are the leaked pages?

[Zamasu55]

Big change from the anime then.
Jiren vs Goku happens sooner than the anime, and Hit lasts less than U10.

Where are the leaked pages?

They'll come out soon.

[Zamasu55]

Hit almost threw Jiren out of the ring with time cage, according to this dude in Naruto forum.
Can't complain.

[TKA]

The main problem with Toyotaro's interpretation of the Zamasu in all his incarnations, is that he never presents them as the divine, heavenly, godly beings they are supposed to be, something which the anime staff went out of their way to emphasize.

Stop right there.

This is dragonball, not a generic anime or JRPG. "Gods" in dragonball have no dignity; it's just a job title. Literally. The anime presenting Zamas and Black as "heavenly" is a poor choice, since it lends credence to Zamas' insane notions that he's above everyone else. In the manga, it's made clear that Zamas is just a deluded idiot, which he is. This is a strength, not a weakness.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Big change from the anime then.
Jiren vs Goku happens sooner than the anime, and Hit lasts less than U10.

Where are the leaked pages?

They'll come out soon.

But where did you get this information about the chapter?

[OLKv3]

Where are the leaked pages?

They'll come out soon.

But where did you get this information about the chapter?

Rai of NarutoForums, he gives legit info every month