"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Anime Kitten]

I still want Future Mai to kill Black. I don't care how, just someone that's not a main character here.

And why does everyone whine about Goku and Vegeta when Super is clearly about Goku, Vegeta, Bulma, Beerus, and Whis?

Lastly, I hope Super Saiyan Blue is the last form for the heroes. I don't want a White, and Rose should be exclusive to Black.

[Kagari]

I still want Future Mai to kill Black. I don't care how, just someone that's not a main character here.

And why does everyone whine about Goku and Vegeta when Super is clearly about Goku, Vegeta, Bulma, Beerus, and Whis?

Lastly, I hope Super Saiyan Blue is the last form for the heroes. I don't want a White, and Rose should be exclusive to Black.

Because they want to see other characters doing things too. Those characters, aside from maybe Beerus and maybe Vegeta, aren't exactly getting any real development for quite a while now. The only difference is now we have Future Trunks but the question is... how long will he stick around and at what cost to the other characters pushed to the side.

[WhisPL]

New cover DVD?
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[Anime Kitten]

Because they want to see other characters doing things too. Those characters, aside from maybe Beerus and maybe Vegeta, aren't exactly getting any real development for quite a while now. The only difference is now we have Future Trunks but the question is... how long will he stick around and at what cost to the other characters pushed to the side.

But why Goku and Vegeta only, when the show has 5 main characters? Personally, I don't mind them getting the spotlight as much as most other people do, because the weaker characters like Yamcha, for example, couldn't amount to even Piccolo. Besides, Z wasn't much better. Sure, we got more of those characters, but it was still all about Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Krillin, with Goten and Trunks later on.

And character development is long gone for Goku and the others. If something like Battle of Gods didn't affect him, then nothing will.

[dbzfan7]

Super has flaws, but I don't personally see having too much Goku as one of them. The only thing that felt a little too blatant in giving Goku unneeded prominence was the whole ending to RF. And that's something you can blame on the fact that it was a movie first and probably didn't want to break the mold, like every other movie up until that point.

I see people saying it won't be fair if Goku gets to beat Black, but why would they introduce an evil Goku, if not to give him a personal connection to Goku and make it more satisfying when they eventually fight? Goku beating Black makes more sense than Goku beating Buu, or Goku beating Piccolo Daimao. Those were threats who didn't affect him directly (at first) or even care about who he was. Black definitely does.

Too much Goku I don't think is a problem. Well sorta. It's not enough of an interesting Goku. His peers are ALL more interesting and evolving than he is. Vegeta and Trunks both are more compelling, and interesting characters with more character and interesting growth. Goku's only connection doesn't even really mean anything, because he doesn't care about it. Black looking like him hasn't meant a thing to him. He could look like anyone else, and it wouldn't make a difference. Black is just another strong guy/bad guy to Goku, and nothing more. To Trunks and even Vegeta, he means more than just that.

[sintzu]

I don't want Goku to beat Black because frankly he's becoming unlikable in Super.

He's very unlikable now, he went from being a great character to a 1 dimensional Luffy clone.

[ArchedThunder]

New cover DVD?
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lol, they gave Frost the wrong nose.

[Bansho64]

I don't want Goku to beat Black because frankly he's becoming unlikable in Super. His way over the top antics have gotten to the point now where I want him to get his ass beat if it means getting some resemblance of his Z self ack (or at least how he was and imho should be like in ep43)

Agreed. Honestly, I'm hoping something detrimental happens to somebody close to him and snaps him out of whatever the heck is wrong with him. Like Gohan. What if Black killed him and there was some kinda circumstance that would make it really difficult to bring him back? Something like that would hopefully make him more serious. Like I wanna see him get mad like he was when Kuririn got killed for the first time.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I want Goku to beat Black for the reason he's Goku. Wouldn't be right if someone did the kill. But either way he's gonna get a good chunk of the fight. #TeamGoku

[Anime Kitten]

Agreed. Honestly, I'm hoping something detrimental happens to somebody close to him and snaps him out of whatever the heck is wrong with him. Like Gohan. What if Black killed him and there was some kinda circumstance that would make it really difficult to bring him back? Something like that would hopefully make him more serious. Like I wanna see him get mad like he was when Kuririn got killed for the first time.

This needs to play if Black kills someone. Seriously, that track on Goku's first Super Saiyan transformation, can you imagine?

Anyway, if Future Mai doesn't get the kill (which I'm still rooting for), then it has to be Trunks. Yes, Present Trunks. He'll kill him so amazingly that Mai will have no choice but to fall in love with him, and then Future Trunks and Future Mai will return to their time, start a family, rebuild and repopulate civilization, and live happily for the rest of their lives. The end!

... I'm done.

[sintzu]

I'm hoping something detrimental happens to somebody close to him and snaps him out of whatever the heck is wrong with him.

He has a fatal illness called bad writing, nothing can help him now.

[Alruneia]

I don't want Goku to beat Black because frankly he's becoming unlikable in Super.

He's very unlikable now, he went from being a great character to a 1 dimensional Luffy clone.

Agreed. Honestly, I'm hoping something detrimental happens to somebody close to him and snaps him out of whatever the heck is wrong with him. Like Gohan. What if Black killed him and there was some kinda circumstance that would make it really difficult to bring him back? Something like that would hopefully make him more serious. Like I wanna see him get mad like he was when Kuririn got killed for the first time.

You can force a Super Dragon Ball hunt by having someone attack New Namek. If anyone on Earth dies, the Namekian Dragon Balls have to be used to bring them back unless they were born after Buu, and currently, everyone Goku knows except Pan falls into that category. Simultaneously, Earth's Dragon Balls cannot revive anyone on Namek except for those born after the Freeza arc. If Moori dies again, Porunga dies as well, and the Super Dragon Balls are the only way to bring them back. Super Dragon Ball hunting across the twin universe is no small task.
Say Earth is attacked by some villain or army while Goku and Vegeta are with Whis, like in Resurrection F, but let's say that this time, they're too late and basically everyone dies. From what I've seen in Super so far, I think Goku would honestly laugh it off and say "Oh well. We'll just use the Namekian Dragon Balls!" Goku travelling to New Namek and finding out that it's not so simple would be an important lesson about the value of life, and it should trigger the same emotions in Goku as when Krillin first died.
What would be even better character-wise about a situation like this is if Goku's actions were the direct cause of the Super Dragon Ball hunt having to happen. It would force him to acknowledge the consequences of his actions and teach him to think about what he's doing instead of being so extremely carefree.

[TekTheNinja]

I don't think the problem is necessarily too much Goku. The problem is that Goku is an unlikeable prick in Super. In early Dragon Ball he was a lovable kid who we wanted to see succeed. Throughout Z he could sometimes be a bit of a douche, but even then it was balanced out and even when it wasn't we had other characters to fall back on. In Super Goku is just an awful character most of the time, yet the show shoves him in our faces and wants us to love him.

[Noah]

Well I'm done with Dragon Ball hello HxH and the Narrator arc.

We'll miss you, buddy.

I would love it if Super Saiyan Rose is a form beyond Blue that Future Goku managed to achieve in the AfterLife, and then his body got stolen somehow or whatever happened to it..

Oh yea, cause that would make a lot of sense, Goku after the Android Arc was in the Other World for almost a decade and his peak was reaching Super Saiyan 3, and then Mirai Goku maybe after two decades of training would be enough of time for him to reach a level of power beyond Super Saiyan God... Alone? But then I remember this is the series that implies that Trunks might be stronger than Gotenks, so yeah your theory could be right!

[sailorspazz]

So, is "rose" always romanized as "roze" or could it be literally named after Rosé (the wine)?

Since Japanese has its own native word for rose (bara), I don't think having it written as "rosé" here (the French pronunciation, not the English one) is common at all (if they were going for the English pronunciation, it would be ローズ, not ロゼ as it is here). And they also have other words for pink ('momoiro' natively, or the borrowed English 'pinku'), so this use of 'rosé' does seem unusual. It appears in Japanese that the word is used primarily to refer to the wine rather than a color (though going along with some of the color discussions earlier, it's not uncommon for an object to later become a color name, like orange).

This contributes a bit to the reasoning of why these titles seem kinda fake (the lack of scans being another big reason for reservation), because it doesn't seem like a word/color association that's common in Japanese. But, of course, if it is real, there could be some story behind it (Toriyama was drinking some Rosé one day and thought, "wow, this is a great name/color for a new form!" )

[dbs fanboy]

So basically Trunks getting stronger will be added to the list of bullshit power ups.

And what's the damn problem with Trunks getting stronger? Is not like he's going to obtain ssblue in that episode, he's just getting stronger, stronger to be able to defeat Black. What's the problem then?

Future Trunks has been relevant so far, he's the one having development so far, and know he's getting stronger to face his nemesis, which means that Trunks could have more relevance.

So yeah, i still don't get how is this arc the "Goku show" (so far)

[sintzu]

So yeah, i still don't get how is this arc the "Goku show" (so far)

He's the one who tested Trunks.

He's the one who fought Black.

He's the one who went with Beerus and Whis to U10.

If the episode titles are true then he'll be fighting black again in ep57.

In ep58 he'll be meeting with Zeno.

[dbs fanboy]

I don't want Goku to beat Black because frankly he's becoming unlikable in Super. His way over the top antics have gotten to the point now where I want him to get his ass beat if it means getting some resemblance of his Z self ack (or at least how he was and imho should be like in ep43)

Agreed. Honestly, I'm hoping something detrimental happens to somebody close to him and snaps him out of whatever the heck is wrong with him. Like Gohan. What if Black killed him and there was some kinda circumstance that would make it really difficult to bring him back? Something like that would hopefully make him more serious. Like I wanna see him get mad like he was when Kuririn got killed for the first time.

Exaclty
Super's Goku needs serious moments, but how could he get serious if he's a damn demigod and Beerus and Whis are around? Something terrible out of Whis/Beerus's control needs to happen.

I want to see Goku being unable to do anything in a situation where he's going to lose something important to him.

[nite_jay]

So yeah, i still don't get how is this arc the "Goku show" (so far)

He's the one who tested Trunks.

He's the one who fought Black.

He's the one who went with Beerus and Whis to U10.

If the episode titles are true then he'll be fighting black again in ep57.

In ep58 he'll be meeting with Zeno.

Future Trunks has been featured this arc just as much as Goku so far. If anything I see this more as the "Trunks Arc". We've been following the Pilaf Gang pretty closely this arc, too. That last one was a joke.

[dbs fanboy]

So yeah, i still don't get how is this arc the "Goku show" (so far)

He's the one who tested Trunks.

He's the one who fought Black.

He's the one who went with Beerus and Whis to U10.

If the episode titles are true then he'll be fighting black again in ep57.

In ep58 he'll be meeting with Zeno.

Trunks fought Black as well, Goku wasn't the main focus of ep 53 but Zamasu.

I'm not gonna believe that those are the official titles until it's 100% confirmed.

I still don't see how is Goku the main focus of this arc.