Linda Young not to voice Freeza in the Dragon ball Kai dub?

[KKZ]

I wasn't trying to be elitist in any way.

SO IT'S CHRIS AYRES RIGHT??? HAAAAA I KNEW IT AND IT ONLY TOOK TEN MINUTES TO FIGURE IT OUT!!!!

Maybe you weren't genuinely trying to be elitist, but it certainly seemed that way to me. Should we just drop it at this point?

[B]

Did you... not even listen to what was said in the video? Or are you twisting things around to suit your own preferences? That's what I'm seeing.

I did watch the video. He says its because she couldnt read lines fast enough, then he says its because the script is trying to portray the character a bit different than before, so which is it? Too slow line reading or too different a character.

The character is so different, she can't keep up. The way the actual Freeza speaks and eloquates is far different than FUNimation's reversioning. How is this hard to get?

It seems you're just snarking off because you dislike FUNi, or Chris Sabat, I don't know.

[RazorX]

As a marketing professional, I can tell you that... wait for it...

It was marketing.

You don't seem to like it, but it's marketing, none-the-less.

They arent trying to sell the episodes using the change in Freeza's voice as a selling point. Moreso, Sabat and Schemmel dont even work in marketing. Funimation has their own marketing department to handle that aspect.

Can you contribute something that isn't just endless and snotty contradictions? It's wearing a little thin.

It would've been more constructive if you highlighted where I am endlessly snotty or contradicting, as I believe I backed up my defence of Linda's Freeza with reasoning and my views.

The character is so different, she can't keep up. The way the actual Freeza speaks and eloquates is far different than FUNimation's reversioning. How is this hard to get?

The Japanese Freeza speaks with eloquence and faux politeness, it isnt rushed. There is a difference.

[Gaffer Tape]

As a marketing professional, I can tell you that... wait for it...

It was marketing.

You don't seem to like it, but it's marketing, none-the-less.

They arent trying to sell the episodes using the change in Freeza's voice as a selling point. Moreso, Sabat and Schemmel dont even work in marketing. Funimation has their own marketing department to handle that aspect.

Why do you think these promotional videos exist if not to market? Have you never heard of using the actors to promote material? It happens all the time. These videos exist for the sole purpose of hyping up the new product. "It's better than ever before." "This is what's new and different, and this is why the new and different stuff is better than the old stuff." "Hear me now and believe me later: this is the definitive Kai." What exactly are you missing here? There's nothing but marketing in these videos. And hyping up the new Freeza is part of that.

[The Tori-bot]

I wasn't trying to be elitist in any way.

SO IT'S CHRIS AYRES RIGHT??? HAAAAA I KNEW IT AND IT ONLY TOOK TEN MINUTES TO FIGURE IT OUT!!!!

Maybe you weren't genuinely trying to be elitist, but it certainly seemed that way to me. Should we just drop it at this point?

It's really not that hard to go to ANN and scroll down the Speed Grapher cast members' credits. Don't be a douche, man.

[RazorX]

Why do you think these promotional videos exist if not to market? Have you never heard of using the actors to promote material? It happens all the time. These videos exist for the sole purpose of hyping up the new product. "It's better than ever before." "This is what's new and different, and this is why the new and different stuff is better than the old stuff." "Hear me now and believe me later: this is the definitive Kai." What exactly are you missing here? There's nothing but marketing in these videos. And hyping up the new Freeza is part of that.

The videos and the "better than before" type trailer Funimation released is marketing, but that is obviously not what I was referring to. I was referring to their facebook comments from weeks ago saying there's a "surprise" coming your way. Did they make those comments in the video? If I recall, they didnt even say the voice is better than before in the video, they said its creepier.

[Gaffer Tape]

I've honestly not been keeping up with the facebook posts, but the video didn't seem that much different. But even if it is just the facebook, that's still a form of hype. It's not "official marketing" per se, but it is the actors who get paid to work in this show, raising awareness and getting publicity. It's still a relatively new way of doing so, but remember that their facebook pages are not their personal facebook pages; they are promotional pages. They're like mini-websites that the actors use to promote their work. You can become a fan of "TV's Christopher Sabat" but you can't be "friends" with him.

At this point, I'm not even sure what we're arguing anymore. If you don't agree with how they're building up their show, then that's one thing. But this is just getting silly.

[RazorX]

In the video, they didnt say the "big surprise" was the change in Freeza's cast, they casually talked about it like it was another recast. Their facebook page seems more like a place for fans of the show to talk about the series with them rather than a place where they promote it. From what I saw, it was initially created by a few fans.

[Gaffer Tape]

No, in the video, Sean seemed really excited to bring it up but then had to make sure with his superiors that he was even allowed to talk about it. And once he and Chris were given the go-ahead, they seemed to go into it with quite a bit of gusto. There was no active moderator. No one forced the conversation into that direction. If the suits at FUNimation didn't want to hype it, they wouldn't have let them talk about it on the video.

[RazorX]

They seemed more excited about the Gohan recast, but thats not the point. They talked about some big surprise everyone will supposedly like but didnt mention that in the video. I'm not sure which direction you're trying to take this conversation.

[Cipher]

Did I miss something?

Sabat and Schemmel never promised a "big surprise that everyone would like." That was only the savvy members on this board, as far as I recall.

[Gaffer Tape]

I'm not sure which direction you're trying to take this conversation.

I believe I already said the exact same thing two posts ago in regard to you! You made some comment that I didn't know what advertising was if I thought that them hyping up a new Freeza was marketing, and ever since I've been trying to wrap my head around how in the world that isn't marketing! But at any rate I'm done because I'm just confused, you seem intent on being unhappy, and who am I to stop you from feeling how you want to feel?

[DemonRin]

They seemed more excited about the Gohan recast, but thats not the point. They talked about some big surprise everyone will supposedly like but didnt mention that in the video. I'm not sure which direction you're trying to take this conversation.

WE were the ones saying there'd be a big surprise and we were aiming that at fans of the Japanese version)

If you're talking about Schemmel's surprise comment, that was directed at a single person who was writing him, and that single person said "I don't like Freeza voiced by a woman" and Schemmel replied with "then you're in for a surprise".

It wasn't "HEY GUYS! BIG SURPRISE COMING!" It was "If you don't like Freeza's original dub voice, you're in for a surprise".

As for the overall enthusiasm, FUNi realizes they have their loyal dub contingent who are apprehensive about recasts. They HAVE to voice their excitement about the new voices (whether it's truly real or not) because if they're like "Yeah, you guys who loved Grandma Freeza are gonna hate the new voice" then the DVDs wont sell well.

They have to be like "It sounds GREAT! You guys'll totally love it! In fact, you can't even tell it's a man!" to try to bring the dub fans in to make them think it won't be different in a bad way.
It's Marketing.

[RazorX]

Eh I could've sworn it came from them. Even if it didnt, its still incoherent to have Linda do the first episode then suddenly decide to get rid of her (at least for Freeza) and get a replacement. If they're in the middle of production with a deadline, they wont have as much time to find a replacement as they did with the other recastings. I am a fan of the Japanese version but I did like Freeza's voice in the Funimation dub.

When the other recasts were announced, I was not disappointed, I was glad but I didnt think they would be significantly different than before. However now, I can say that, in my opinion, the other recastings are much better than Funimation's DBZ dub voices. I dont expect that with Freeza and if they exceed my low expectations, then thats good.

At the moment, I'm more interested in the Ginyu force and Zarbon recastings.

you seem intent on being unhappy, and who am I to stop you from feeling how you want to feel?

I'm not unhappy, just somewhat disappointed because Freeza's voice was announced as being unchanged and was even used for the first episode. And it would've been intriguing to see a Linda Young's Freeza take on Goku when he doesnt sound so stiff as he did in Z.

[Gaffer Tape]

I'm not unhappy, just somewhat disappointed because Freeza's voice was announced as being unchanged and was even used for the first episode. And it would've been intriguing to see a Linda Young's Freeza take on Goku when he doesnt sound so stiff as he did in Z.

I'm somewhat inclined to agree with you there. I'm not that annoyed by Young... well, when her voice is properly modulated, that is, which I suppose is a bad sign in itself, and, as I've stated before, she's certainly not the first voice I would have petitioned to be replaced *coughkaioKaio for heaven's sake KAIO!!!! um, cough* And I would have been at least interested to see what she could have done. But this kind of thing happens sometimes. As they say, "that's showbiz."

[RazorX]

I'm not unhappy, just somewhat disappointed because Freeza's voice was announced as being unchanged and was even used for the first episode. And it would've been intriguing to see a Linda Young's Freeza take on Goku when he doesnt sound so stiff as he did in Z.

I'm somewhat inclined to agree with you there. I'm not that annoyed by Young... well, when her voice is properly modulated, that is, which I suppose is a bad sign in itself, and, as I've stated before, she's certainly not the first voice I would have petitioned to be replaced *coughkaioKaio for heaven's sake KAIO!!!! um, cough* And I would have been at least interested to see what she could have done. But this kind of thing happens sometimes. As they say, "that's showbiz."

I know, I was expecting an improved Young's Freeza take on a much improved from before Sean's Goku in the Funi dub, with an accurate script. I wasnt annoyed by Young's voice because of her performance and the voice filter.

I agree with you about Kaio's Funi voice, it needs a recast, more so than Freeza.

[bkev]

I honestly rather liked the Ocean Kaio... that was Dave Ward, right? It was silly, but not outright ridiculous. A good balance somewhere in the middle, which both the FUNimation and original Japanese casts lack. I can take Dave Ward seriously, but I can also find him funny.

[penguintruth]

Kaio and Freeza have been horrible in both Ocean's and Funimation's dubs. So have a lot of other characters who have NEVER had good English voices.

[JulieYBM]

Kaio and Freeza have been horrible in both Ocean's and Funimation's dubs. So have a lot of other characters who have NEVER had good English voices.

I'd venture to say that Final Bout feller was the closest thing to a 'good English voice' Freeza ever got.

[Big Momma]

I honestly rather liked the Ocean Kaio... that was Dave Ward, right? It was silly, but not outright ridiculous. A good balance somewhere in the middle, which both the FUNimation and original Japanese casts lack. I can take Dave Ward seriously, but I can also find him funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxNypuRKq_c

Agreed. IMHO, Ocean's Kaio just sounds like a REALLY toned down/mellow version of FUNi's, but I think it works.