The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by CatouttaHell » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:13 am

I'm going to assume you mean at equal battle powers? Because all of these are just rape scenarios otherwise.
Leviathus wrote:1. Bardock vs. Tullece (with or without shinseiju, your choice)
I don't know what to say for this at all so I'm going to go with Burdock because I like him more.
Leviathus wrote:2. Mr. Satan vs. Freeza soldier A
Mr. Satan probably wins. He's skilled as hell and Freeza's troops just come off as really, really pathetic, unskilled guys.
Leviathus wrote:3. Muten Roshi vs. Yajirobe
Roshi kicks Yajirobe all over the place. He's one of the most skilled fighters in the series by far and has deadly Ki techniques like the Bankoku Bikkuri Sho.
Leviathus wrote:4. Son Gohan Saiya-jin arc vs. Son Goku Piccolo Daimao arc
Son Goku rips Gohan apart. He's an incredibly skilled and intelligent kid while Gohan is an idiot at a battle. There's no way in hell any version of Gohan could pull off stuff like Goku's defeat of Piccolo Daimao.
Leviathus wrote:5. Selypa vs. Zangya
Zangya wins I guess? Selypa is a Saiya-jin and thus has a natural talent at battle but I feel Zangya would win due to her psychic abilities and IMO superior skills. It's hard to tell.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Dorexx » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:29 am

1. Bardock vs. Tullece (with or without shinseiju, your choice)
Taking in consideration only the battle power numbers given in Tullece's movie, I believe he is about 2-3 times stronger than Bardock was before he died. However, if Bardock were alive during that perdiod, Tullece would be much inferior to him. With the Shinseiju, Tullece would get more powerful in any case, though.
2. Mr. Satan vs. Freeza soldier A
The soldier.
3. Muten Roshi vs. Yajirobe
Roshi is way too skilled and experienced to loose, but Yajirobe became very strong after his training. Still, I believe Roshi would beat him up.
4. Son Gohan Saiya-jin arc vs. Son Goku Piccolo Daimao arc
Goku... Unless Gohan gets really mad. After the training with Piccolo, definetly Gohan, but there's still a small chance for Goku because he is probably more skilled, and 3 times his age.
5. Selypa vs. Zangya
Zangya, in a heart beat.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Leviathus » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:41 am

CatouttaHell wrote:I'm going to assume you mean at equal battle powers? Because all of these are just rape scenarios otherwise.
Lol yeah, go for the equal battle powers.
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Leviathus wrote:1. Bardock vs. Tullece (with or without shinseiju, your choice)
I don't know what to say for this at all so I'm going to go with Burdock because I like him more.
I always thought Bardock would outsmart Tullece (just look at him go at those soldiers on Planet Meat). So yeah, I think Bardock would win. Tullece is probably looking for his tree most of the time.
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Leviathus wrote:4. Son Gohan Saiya-jin arc vs. Son Goku Piccolo Daimao arc
Son Goku rips Gohan apart. He's an incredibly skilled and intelligent kid while Gohan is an idiot at a battle. There's no way in hell any version of Gohan could pull off stuff like Goku's defeat of Piccolo Daimao.
True that. Even when Son Gohan gets mad Son Goku would have won.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by CatouttaHell » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:08 am

Leviathus wrote:I always thought Bardock would outsmart Tullece (just look at him go at those soldiers on Planet Meat). So yeah, I think Bardock would win. Tullece is probably looking for his tree most of the time.
Ah, I forgot about that fight entirely. Good point. Burdock demonstrated some great strategy there while Tullece is just about eating fruit to win fights with a huge power advantage.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Leviathus » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:50 pm

CatouttaHell wrote:Burdock demonstrated some great strategy there while Tullece is just about eating fruit to win fights with a huge power advantage.
Exactly. Tullece relies too much on his Shinseiju IMO. It even crossed my mind that he's gotten a bit lazy on the fighting throughout the years.
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Leviathus wrote:5. Selypa vs. Zangya
Zangya, in a heart beat.
I'm not so sure about "in a heart beat", but Zangya will win for sure. Too bad we don't get to see Selypa fighting in the special, so we can only guess how she acts in battle.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:52 am

Leviathus wrote:1. Bardock vs. Tullece (with or without shinseiju, your choice)
I agree with CatouttaHell that Bardock demonstrated some great strategy against the soldiers on Planet Meat, whereas Tullece basically resorted to eating the Shinseiju to gain the upper hand on Goku.
2. Mr. Satan vs. Freeza soldier A
Freeza's soldiers seem to mostly rely on power, so Mr. Satan, a reasonably skilled martial artist and a previous Tenka'ichi Budokai champion, would win.
3. Muten Roshi vs. Yajirobe
I'd give this to Kame-sennin, because he appears to be much more experienced than Yajirobe, who mostly sits on his ass eating.
4. Son Gohan Saiya-jin arc vs. Son Goku Piccolo Daimao arc
Goku easily rapes Gohan. Goku has much more experience training under Grandpa Gohan, Kame-sennin and Karin and has shown skill, strategy and intuition throughout his battles in the series. Gohan's mostly riding on raw power and rage boosts, even after he's been trained by Piccolo.
5. Selypa vs. Zangya
This isn't much to base this on, since both don't show much other than skill. But I'd give it to Zangya based on the fact that Selypa's a Saiyan, and Saiyans seem to mostly ride on power.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by CatouttaHell » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:38 am

How about: Piccolo (End of Z) vs.

1. #16
2. Initial Semi-Perfect Cell
3. FP Semi-Perfect Cell
4. USSjin Vegeta
5. 50% SSjin Goku (Cell Games)
6. SSjin Goku (Cell Games)
7. FP Perfect Cell
8. SSjin Goku (Boo Arc)
9. Super Perfect Cell

Personally I think he would rape the first six, have a bit of trouble with FP Perfect Cell and probably win against SSjin Goku (Boo Arc) and Super Perfect Cell in two long, almost even battles.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:46 am

I mostly agree. He'd cruise through the first six without any trouble, and then Full-Power Cell and SSj Goku would actually be somewhat of a challenge for him. He's probably not quite on a Super Saiyan 2 level yet, though.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by CatouttaHell » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:05 am

Yeah I'm glad I don't do Base Saiya-jins > Piccolo anymore. I mean having Gohan 50x stronger than Piccolo is just crazy talk. I was searching for some statement or whatever that would completely disprove all notions of this and the Daizenshuu statement that Gohan = Goten (whose base form is a good chunk below #18) pretty much proves that to be incorrect. It feels good having him at sane levels of power again.

Anyway, this isn't really a versus but I'm curious what you lot here think about this and I know power-related topics are frowned upon here so I didn't want to make a new thread about it. Where would you place Spopovich, Videl )(Pre and Post Training,) Chibi Son Gokū (Pilaf Arc,) Mr. Satan, and the Bear Bandit in comparison to each other, power-wise?

Personally I believe Son Gokū > Bear Thief > Videl (Post) > Spopovich > Videl (Pre) > Mr. Satan.

I know most people think Mr. Satan > Bear Thief and Spopovich > Videl but there's nothing really implying that Spopovich is stronger than Videl. He just has ridiculous durability. He only started winning after Videl exhausted all of her energy trying to beat him up. Even snapping his neck did pretty much nothing to him. And regarding the Bear Thief, I really doubt any normal human would event dent, let alone defeat him. Toriyama said that Mr. Satan is probably weaker than Bob Sapp, who is a real life human.

Honestly can you see a real life human even being able to budge the Bear Thief? Mr. Satan has no superhuman feats at all in the manga, all he ever did was break bricks. If he was really a superhuman guy who could take down a gigantic, monstrous bear he wouldn't be showing off by doing feats real life martial artists can do. I just do not see how Mr. Satan can be anywhere near the Bear Thief unless you just dismiss him as a gag character or something but that's just my opinion. I suppose Videl could've gotten some gigantic, unstated power-up from learning how to control her Ki but I just don't believe that. Just learning to fly and flying around for a bit isn't going to even double your power IMO.

So yeah, sorry for rambling, what do you folks think about this pseudo-versus?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:16 am

I give Mr. Satan a BP of 5.
And Videl after training a BP of 10.

So Bear Thief destryos Mr. Satan, while Videl is able to pull off a win.
I never considered Mr. Satan and Videl anything special, at least not compared to beginning of DB Goku. As you said Toriyama didn't think Mark could beat a real life human. If said statement is to be taken seriously then Mr. Satan really is at a human level, and just happens to have extreme durability in funny situations and normal human durability in serious ones.

EDIT: As a sidenote I recently converted to Piccolo < Base Saiyans. It's funny to see that you went the other way.

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Post by CatouttaHell » Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:07 am

dbgtFO wrote:I give Mr. Satan a BP of 5.
And Videl after training a BP of 10.

So Bear Thief destryos Mr. Satan, while Videl is able to pull off a win.
I never considered Mr. Satan and Videl anything special, at least not compared to beginning of DB Goku. As you said Toriyama didn't think Mark could beat a real life human. If said statement is to be taken seriously then Mr. Satan really is at a human level, and just happens to have extreme durability in funny situations and normal human durability in serious ones.

EDIT: As a sidenote I recently converted to Piccolo < Base Saiyans. It's funny to see that you went the other way.
Yeah I was a Base Saiya-jins > Piccolo guy for a while but I got annoyed with it. I used to use a 5x boost and it was alright but I started gradually moving towards the official SEG multipliers, starting with 50x and eventually I just got fed up because this bloated my Battle Powers to insane levels, made Fatigued SSjin Gokū 50x weaker than he was before, and kept Piccolo permanently below #16 of all people. The Daizenshuu statement that Gohan = Goten changed my mind for good, but it's interesting that you somehow managed to make that statement work with Base Saiya-jins > Piccolo.

I agree completely. I personally think Mark and Videl are the two most overrated characters in the series. I mean, some people think, in all seriousness, that since Mark won the TB that he's stronger than Roshi. Toriyama always tries to make things as obvious and easy to understand as possible. If Mr. Satan was intended to be superhuman there would be evidence for that, as opposed to all of the evidence that he's just a regular human IMO. I don't really believe Videl could ever defeat the Bear Thief but there's really no way of telling. All we know is that Videl (Pre) is stronger than Mr. Satan by an unknown amount and that Videl (Post) is stronger than before by an unknown amount.

Mr. Satan's durability can't really be taken seriously IMO. As some guy on Neoseeker said, he's the Bugs Bunny of DBZ. He takes hits from guys who should be able to take out Freeza by breathing on him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Senzu_Bean » Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:24 am

CatouttaHell wrote:How about: Piccolo (End of Z) vs.
I personally don't think he can match something higher than regular Super Saiyan thus he would fall to number 3 or 4.
CatouttaHell wrote:Anyway, this isn't really a versus but I'm curious what you lot here think about this and I know power-related topics are frowned upon here so I didn't want to make a new thread about it. Where would you place Spopovich, Videl )(Pre and Post Training,) Chibi Son Gokū (Pilaf Arc,) Mr. Satan, and the Bear Bandit in comparison to each other, power-wise?
In my own opinion:

Videl (Post) > Spopovich > Goku > Bear Thief > Videl (Pre) > Mr. Satan

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Nineteen » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:25 pm

CatouttaHell wrote:1. #16
Crush him effortlessly.
2. Initial Semi-Perfect Cell
Crush him effortlessly.
3. FP Semi-Perfect Cell
Crush him effortlessly.
4. USSjin Vegeta
It might take him a few minutes to beat him, but there's little doubt in my mind that Piccolo is stronger.
5. 50% SSjin Goku (Cell Games)
Piccolo might break a sweat fighting him.
6. SSjin Goku (Cell Games)
A very even match, in my opinion, with Goku having a negligible (to the point it wouldn't effect the outcome) advantage in power. I think Piccolo wins more often than not.
7. FP Perfect Cell
Cell wins 6/10. Piccolo does slightly better than Goku did.

I peg end-of-Z Piccolo as being around 60% of an SSJ 2.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by In Brightest Day » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:11 pm

Kuririn (Buu arc) vs. Pui Pui.

I personally think Android arc Krillin rapes. At the very least he's a way more skilled fighter.

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Post by Kaboom » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:39 pm

It's hard to judge Pui-Pui's actual power given how completely and utterly helpless he was against Vegeta in just his base form. Personally, I think he could be as weak as a few thousand, or he could be up there in the range of first- or second-form Freeza. The former due to how he thought 10x gravity was a big deal, and the latter because of the fearsome reputation he seemed to have. I usually peg him around the latter, hugging the one million mark. Which if such is the case, he'd easily beat Kuririn whom I have around 100,000. Barring any good shots with a Kienzan, of course.
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Post by CatouttaHell » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:35 am

Kuririn - 9,000,000

Pui-Pui - 5,000

Yeah, this is a rape IMO. I used to think Pui-Pui would stomp Piccolo but Toriyama made it clear that his greatest feat is something Raditz and Baby Goku could do. There's really nothing to it beyond that IMO. Kaioshin is scared of him, yes, but he's a dumbarse. He doesn't even know who the hell Pui-Pui is and assumes since Babidi has a guy like Dabura by his side that Pui-Pui must be monstrously strong too.
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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:25 pm

I also believe Krillin would crush Pui-Pui in battle. I can't believe I seriously thought Pui-Pui was stronger than Piccolo at one point. I think Kaioshin was just being cautious. I doubt he was really scared of him.
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Post by CatouttaHell » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:45 pm

Yeah, it's best to just ignore Kaioshin. I mean if you think that since Kaioshin is afraid of Pui-Pui then Pui-Pui > Piccolo why not think Pui-Pui > SSjin 2 Gohan too? I think some guy back on MFG was actually crazy enough to believe THAT too. Exactly why Kaioshin shouldn't be taken seriously. Anyway,

SSjin Chibi Trunks (Boo Arc) vs. SSjin Future Trunks (Cell Games)

Personally I think Chibi Trunks would stomp because the Daizenshuu says that Goten is as strong as Gohan and Trunks is a bit stronger than him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:03 am

Dang, this was always a tough one for me...until I saw the Daiz entry.

But yeah, I'd also go with Kid Trunks here, too. I certainly don't believe this Future Trunks is anywhere near as strong as Super Saiyan Teen Gohan, so he has no chance here.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by In Brightest Day » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:41 am

I have the kids a bit stronger than #18 in Super Saiyan, so Future Trunks takes this in a few seconds if he's serious.

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