Dragonball Z: Saiyan Saga - Help make this happen!

[Pafupafu]

Are they selling it or something? because if not, then its not illegal, same goes for all the fan arts, fan mangas and even abridged series.

What they are selling was a copyright infringing trailer on IndieGoGo and they got $15,000. The big guys will handle it eventually.

They posted a template trailer and got $15,000 to make the real thing. You are really twisting things around in this sense. There was no sale, there was no profit. The money given to them went into making the movie.

This is where the problem lies. There is ZERO after-donation process which defines the exact expenses paid for with the entirety of the donation money. In the US Legal System, ANY defined funds (in this case $15,000+ from IndieGoGo Users for an illegal project) that are NOT fully covered in expense receipts can be and will be considered profit in a copyright infringement case. You have NO idea how much they are actually spending. They could easily use $5000 on this production and pocket $10,000+ for other uses.

Now you can turn this around and say there is no way I can prove that they haven't used ALL of it but its still how the justice system works. Also, even if they DID spend ALL of it...that money was still raised using a brand name that they have NO ownership/right to use.

It honestly doesn't matter if it's profit or not. They can't use another property to that extent to raise/make ANY money. They would have needed a rights to usage agreement with ALL rights holders signed and dated AHEAD of the time of the first public donation.

I am sincerely begging you to just STOP arguing that this isn't illegal. Do some research, especially if you are making money from Fan Art, because there may be a day where you make a HUGE deal and a lot of money from your work and guess what? The rights holders of all the brands you did art of and sold without their permission are going to bring out the pitchforks and lawyers.

[TripleRach]

then its not illegal, same goes for all the fan arts, fan mangas and even abridged series.

That's not true. Fan art gets taken off deviant art and other site like it all the time even though its not really illegal. All it takes is someone reporting it which is quite common. And abridged series are illegal for the same reason posting a Dragon Ball Z AMV is. Why do you think all of team 4 stars videos were taken down and they had to make their own site. Toei and Funimation can get their site taken down which would suck.

Yes. Just because something is non-profit doesn't mean it's not breaking copyright law. You're still using someone else's intellectual property without permission.

Big corporations usually don't care about pursuing fan art or fan fiction (probably because it would be a PR nightmare), but they could if they wanted to. Abridged series are even worse because they use so much footage from the original show, so the fair use parody clause might not be able to protect them in court.

As for a project like this, Toei etc could go after them just for using Dragon Ball characters and stories alone. But promoting it with copyrighted footage and asking for outside funding just makes it even worse. If they did everything out of their own pocket without any of that stuff, the big companies might ignore it the same way they ignore popular fan comics like Multiverse.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

This is where the problem lies. There is ZERO after-donation process which defines the exact expenses paid for with the entirety of the donation money. In the US Legal System, ANY defined funds (in this case $15,000+ from IndieGoGo Users for an illegal project) that are NOT fully covered in expense receipts can be and will be considered profit in a copyright infringement case. You have NO idea how much they are actually spending. They could easily use $5000 on this production and pocket $10,000+ for other uses.

Now you can turn this around and say there is no way I can prove that they haven't used ALL of it but its still how the justice system works. Also, even if they DID spend ALL of it...that money was still raised using a brand name that they have NO ownership/right to use.

It honestly doesn't matter if it's profit or not. They can't use another property to that extent to raise/make ANY money. They would have needed a rights to usage agreement with ALL rights holders signed and dated AHEAD of the time of the first public donation.

I am sincerely begging you to just STOP arguing that this isn't illegal. Do some research, especially if you are making money from Fan Art, because there may be a day where you make a HUGE deal and a lot of money from your work and guess what? The rights holders of all the brands you did art of and sold without their permission are going to bring out the pitchforks and lawyers.

There is too much assuming going on now. You're assuming they aren't keeping a record of their personal expenses; and while I have no idea how much they are spending, I didn't donate so I don't really care to know. However, if you were someone who gave them money and asked to see what the money was going too I'm sure they'd tell you; if not, then well they are jerks and there isn't anything left to say. We also have no idea what sort of process they went through(though you are probably right) before setting up the donation page. We don't know if they came in contact with the right holders for the show in the UK(I forget who owns the license) or hell if they bothered to talk to Funimation.

I still don't think what they are doing is illegal but I will say they are walking a thin line. Personally I feel what they are doing is harmless and is all in good fun. There really isn't anything left to say except...lets see what happens. I don't think Funimation or Toei would make a fuss about any of this because I don't see any way this is going to harm the anime or the things they sell. If anything we would probably see a small boost in sales again(if only for a bit).

[dbboxkaifan]

I haven't been much up to date with this "Super Space Warriors Saga" but have they picked an actor to play Goku and Vegeta?

Goku: Jon Foo
Vegeta: Ian Anthony Dale
Yajirobe: Ken Jeong (he's not fat like Yajirobe but would do a great job)

They probably can't afford these actors above so it's just my fan-wish.

Note: The character don't necessarily need to be Asian, unless they're Earthlings from Earth/Japan.

Btw, Yamucha looked great except for the uniform he was given.

[Avenged]

I haven't been much up to date with this "Super Space Warriors Saga" but have they picked an actor to play Goku and Vegeta?

Goku: Jon Foo
Vegeta: Ian Anthony Dale
Yajirobe: Ken Jeong (he's not fat like Yajirobe but would do a great job)

They probably can't afford these actors above so it's just my fan-wish.

Note: The character don't necessarily need to be Asian, unless they're Earthlings from Earth/Japan.

Btw, Yamucha looked great except for the uniform he was given.

Seeing how filming is already done, yes they have picked all the actors. Here's most...

http://www.kandkproductions.co.uk/dbz/cast.html

[dbboxkaifan]

Aw, dammit, the actors/actress Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Kuririn and Chichi aren't exactly all that suited for the character based on their face and body, especially Chichi, she's not very pretty, at all. IMO.

This is going to flop also, for me, as it seems.

[Insertclevername]

Lets wait until we see them in full costume, maybe they won't be so bad?

I'm a little dissapointed that the actors for Nappa and Kuririn are not of asian decent. I always pictured them to be, especially Kuririn, since he seemed to be based off east asian monks, when he first appeared.

[Gonstead]

Lets wait until we see them in full costume, maybe they won't be so bad?

I'm a little dissapointed that the actors for Nappa and Kuririn are not of asian decent. I always pictured them to be, especially Kuririn, since he seemed to be based off east asian monks, when he first appeared.

And Nappa?

[dbboxkaifan]

Lets wait until we see them in full costume, maybe they won't be so bad?

I'm a little dissapointed that the actors for Nappa and Kuririn are not of asian decent. I always pictured them to be, especially Kuririn, since he seemed to be based off east asian monks, when he first appeared.

Kuririn I can see him potentially be played by an Asian character, but Nappa's an alien (Saiyan), not an earthling.

[Insertclevername]

Lets wait until we see them in full costume, maybe they won't be so bad?

I'm a little dissapointed that the actors for Nappa and Kuririn are not of asian decent. I always pictured them to be, especially Kuririn, since he seemed to be based off east asian monks, when he first appeared.

Kuririn I can see him potentially be played by an Asian character, but Nappa's an alien (Saiyan), not an earthling.

True, but so are Gokuu and Vegeta yet they are played by asian actors.

Also, I'd just like to make it clear that any actor or actress can play a part just fine no matter what their decent is, so I'd like to point that out if I was coming off a little racist, thinking only asian actors can do these roles justice, which is completely un- true.

[Attitudefan]

I like who they chose for Nappa. I think many -not all- characters of earthling decent should be Asian. Usually the ones with the black hair and the way their eyes were drawn. Krillin and Yajarobi had those smaller eyes for example.

I always pictured Vegeta to look more Caucasian than oriental but that's me.

In the end, I would prefer a two hour animated movie done by any company be it indy or big budget.

[Nex Carnifex]

The actors they got for the roles look terrible, except Nappa and Yamcha. I don't understand why it makes sense to have a caucasian play Nappa and then asians play the other Saiyans if all Saiyans have the same basic features, why wouldn't they all be represented by the same race? Would've made more sense to make everyone asian except them.

[Jackal puFF]

The actors they got for the roles look terrible, except Nappa and Yamcha. I don't understand why it makes sense to have a caucasian play Nappa and then asians play the other Saiyans if all Saiyans have the same basic features, why wouldn't they all be represented by the same race? Would've made more sense to make everyone asian except them.

I think their top priority was to just find someone that looked like him and be able to work and act with their schedule.

[Gonstead]

The one thing I'm worried about is the acting. It's great and all they're going to these lengths to look as authentic as possible but what it all boils down to is how good can the actors act.

Also, if they're not going to do the Oozaru (Which is an important part of that saga), I'm also questioning on just how much of the saga they'll actually cover.

[Nex Carnifex]

The actors they got for the roles look terrible, except Nappa and Yamcha. I don't understand why it makes sense to have a caucasian play Nappa and then asians play the other Saiyans if all Saiyans have the same basic features, why wouldn't they all be represented by the same race? Would've made more sense to make everyone asian except them.

I think their top priority was to just find someone that looked like him and be able to work and act with their schedule.

Well then the other saiyans should have been white as well, which would probably be easier to find.

[dbboxkaifan]

I like who they chose for Nappa. I think many -not all- characters of earthling decent should be Asian. Usually the ones with the black hair and the way their eyes were drawn. Krillin and Yajarobi had those smaller eyes for example.

I always pictured Vegeta to look more Caucasian than oriental but that's me.

In the end, I would prefer a two hour animated movie done by any company be it indy or big budget.

FYI, Caucasian isn't a white person, look up the Caucasus region. It's depressing and insulting to see people use "Caucasian" as a way to refer to white people.

[TripleRach]

FYI, Caucasian isn't a white person, look up the Caucasus region. It's depressing and insulting to see people use "Caucasian" as a way to refer to white people.

It's a very widespread term for white people that's also used in legal documents. You're right that it probably shouldn't be used that way, but it's not easy to get millions of people to change their ways. Africa and Asia are major continents with diverse ethnicities, yet people also use "African" to refer solely to black people and "Asian" for only East Asians.

Old habits die hard, and defining race is too complicated for a handful of blanket terms. But this is how modern society is, and it would take a lot of work to change it.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

The actors they got for the roles look terrible, except Nappa and Yamcha. I don't understand why it makes sense to have a caucasian play Nappa and then asians play the other Saiyans if all Saiyans have the same basic features, why wouldn't they all be represented by the same race? Would've made more sense to make everyone asian except them.

I think their top priority was to just find someone that looked like him and be able to work and act with their schedule.

Well then the other saiyans should have been white as well, which would probably be easier to find.

Oh man this takes me back to the days of Evolution. I would bet money they chose to use an Asian Goku and Vegeta because everyone made a huge fuss when a white guy got the role of Goku in Evolution. Not that Justin Chatwin was really qualified for the role or anything; but there was more of a fuss about his race rather than his acting abilities. I remember one point being that even though he's a Saiyan he should still be Japanese because that's where the show originated from(I think that was on here btw).

Personally I think the actors are fine. All three actors have the right builds and you can't say they don't look the part, even if their races are different. We won't get much because it's a trailer, but the only thing that can kill it for me is their actual acting ability.

...or and maybe Raditz hair. It's so silly!

[Insertclevername]

I'm concered on how Gohan will look, especially in action scenes. For some reason an 8 year old flying around punching middle aged men in the sky just doesn't sound like it would work on camera.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

I know what you mean. I want to see how it plays out to see if it can even work.