U6 Tournament, Predictions on who will fight who.

[apex_pretador]

I'm rooting for frost against vegeta. He needs to be taught a lesson

[Khin]

Goku vs. Botamo
Goku vs. Frost
Piccolo vs. Frost
Vegeta vs. Frost
Vegeta vs. Magetta
Vegeta vs Cabba
Monaka vs. Cabba
Monaka vs. Hit

Champa says he wins the tournament.But he forgot that Frost wins against Goku by cheating,so they will let Goku fight again the same how they let Piccolo.

Goku vs. Hit

Looks like my prediction fits well with the new episode titles.

[skaw17]

It doesnt true, Vegeta will win with Cabba

[Lord Beerus]

It doesnt true, Vegeta will win with Cabba

No, he won't. Because Cabba goes on to face Monaka and then Monaka goes on to face Hit. So Vegeta must be losing against Cabba. There's no way around it.

[Doctor.]

It doesnt true, Vegeta will win with Cabba

No, he won't. Because Cabba goes on to face Monaka and then Monaka goes on to face Hit. So Vegeta must be losing against Cabba. There's no way around it.

The "Monaka vs Cabba" part of the episode titles was fake, though.

[DainIronfoot]

It doesnt true, Vegeta will win with Cabba

No, he won't. Because Cabba goes on to face Monaka and then Monaka goes on to face Hit. So Vegeta must be losing against Cabba. There's no way around it.

The "Monaka vs Cabba" part of the episode titles was fake, though.

I'm still willing to bet Cabbe wins against Vegeta.

[Lord Beerus]

It doesnt true, Vegeta will win with Cabba

No, he won't. Because Cabba goes on to face Monaka and then Monaka goes on to face Hit. So Vegeta must be losing against Cabba. There's no way around it.

The "Monaka vs Cabba" part of the episode titles was fake, though.

Oh, really? I stand corrected. I still think Cabba is gonna beat Vegeta, though.

[namekiansaiyan]

I am going to make a prediction that Cabe beats Vegeta, then loses to Monaka and Hit beats Monaka. Then Hit demands to face Goku, Piccolo and Buu( Hit wakes buu up).Hit stills wins though but is very close Hit is also a good guy who will be a regular in the series after this.

[Blade]

You know, I've seen a lot of people complain about the strength of some of the Universe 6 fighters, but really, I think these have been some of the most consistent in-Universe battles in a long time.

Freeza was the essentially the galactic overlord of Universe 7 before Goku, as a Super Saiyan, deposed him. Aside from bio-mechanical creations like Cell, anomalies of creation like Buu and the Gods of Destruction, Freeza's (pre-Golden) strength by Dragon World standards is pretty freakish.

Therefore, the idea that Universe 6's fighters may not be too departed from that doesn't really cause any problems with the established logic. If Frost's final form was comparable to Perfect Cell, for example, it would make sense as to why Goku and Vegeta would need regular Super Saiyan to fight him and Piccolo would be able to hold his own whilst still being at a strength disadvantage.

Honestly, this tournament has been one of the most refreshing things I've watched in Dragonball in a long time. I had gotten sick of the trend of every new enemy being successively stronger; once we had reached God-tier stuff, things had really gotten out of hand. I think Toriyama was right to dial it back - to ensure that there is space for longitudinal expansions into the story, I feel that he simply had to.

I expect, as I think most people do, that Hit will probably be on another level altogether and require Goku or Vegeta to tap into their God powers (Super Saiyan Blue) - but really, production issues are the only thing that are stiffing my enjoyment of the story at the moment.

[namekiansaiyan]

You know, I've seen a lot of people complain about the strength of some of the Universe 6 fighters, but really, I think these have been some of the most consistent in-Universe battles in a long time.

Freeza was the essentially the galactic overlord of Universe 7 before Goku, as a Super Saiyan, deposed him. Aside from bio-mechanical creations like Cell, anomalies of creation like Buu and the Gods of Destruction, Freeza's (pre-Golden) strength by Dragon World standards is pretty freakish.

Therefore, the idea that Universe 6's fighters may not be too departed from that doesn't really cause any problems with the established logic. If Frost's final form was comparable to Perfect Cell, for example, it would make sense as to why Goku and Vegeta would need regular Super Saiyan to fight him and Piccolo would be able to hold his own whilst still being at a strength disadvantage.

Honestly, this tournament has been one of the most refreshing things I've watched in Dragonball in a long time. I had gotten sick of the trend of every new enemy being successively stronger; once we had reached God-tier stuff, things had really gotten out of hand. I think Toriyama was right to dial it back - to ensure that there is space for longitudinal expansions into the story, I feel that he simply had to.

I expect, as I think most people do, that Hit will probably be on another level altogether and require Goku or Vegeta to tap into their God powers (Super Saiyan Blue) - but really, production issues are the only thing that are stiffing my enjoyment of the story at the moment.

Frost is at least final form frieza in Resurrection of F and probably more beacuse Goku used base against both and had to transform against Frost. The universe 6 characters are really strong. You also have to assume that God ki can't be switched on or off as Beerus would have mentioned it, people need to stop spreading false rumours and use evidence from the episodes. This is includes like I mentioned earlier Frost's power and then from that you can see Piccolo has to be close to Frost.

[Blade]

You know, I've seen a lot of people complain about the strength of some of the Universe 6 fighters, but really, I think these have been some of the most consistent in-Universe battles in a long time.

Freeza was the essentially the galactic overlord of Universe 7 before Goku, as a Super Saiyan, deposed him. Aside from bio-mechanical creations like Cell, anomalies of creation like Buu and the Gods of Destruction, Freeza's (pre-Golden) strength by Dragon World standards is pretty freakish.

Therefore, the idea that Universe 6's fighters may not be too departed from that doesn't really cause any problems with the established logic. If Frost's final form was comparable to Perfect Cell, for example, it would make sense as to why Goku and Vegeta would need regular Super Saiyan to fight him and Piccolo would be able to hold his own whilst still being at a strength disadvantage.

Honestly, this tournament has been one of the most refreshing things I've watched in Dragonball in a long time. I had gotten sick of the trend of every new enemy being successively stronger; once we had reached God-tier stuff, things had really gotten out of hand. I think Toriyama was right to dial it back - to ensure that there is space for longitudinal expansions into the story, I feel that he simply had to.

I expect, as I think most people do, that Hit will probably be on another level altogether and require Goku or Vegeta to tap into their God powers (Super Saiyan Blue) - but really, production issues are the only thing that are stiffing my enjoyment of the story at the moment.

Frost is at least final form frieza in Resurrection of F and probably more beacuse Goku used base against both and had to transform against Frost. The universe 6 characters are really strong. You also have to assume that God ki can't be switched on or off as Beerus would have mentioned it, people need to stop spreading false rumours and use evidence from the episodes. This is includes like I mentioned earlier Frost's power and then from that you can see Piccolo has to be close to Frost.

I struggle to see how that works - as a single beam from first form Freeza was enough to kill Piccolo in Super. Frost not only blows a hole in his leg, but also has to exert visible effort to try and land an attack on Piccolo as he dodges him. Even by the ridiculous meter of Dragonball power-ups, it's difficult to see how Piccolo could have risen to that level with a few days worth of training.

Honestly, I think that Goku and Vegeta are deliberately holding back power, and only using exactly the level of strength that is required of them on a fight-by-fight basis. I think it all comes back to Whis' training, about the idea of them becoming more efficient with ki control (and stopping it from leaking out) as well as Goku's overconfidence and complacency being a continued issue (as seen again by Frost being able to drug him).

I'm not saying that you're wrong - and as with any sort of nebulous Dragonball strength debate, it's never ever clear cut, but for now, I'm pretty confident with my reading of things.

[namekiansaiyan]

You know, I've seen a lot of people complain about the strength of some of the Universe 6 fighters, but really, I think these have been some of the most consistent in-Universe battles in a long time.

Freeza was the essentially the galactic overlord of Universe 7 before Goku, as a Super Saiyan, deposed him. Aside from bio-mechanical creations like Cell, anomalies of creation like Buu and the Gods of Destruction, Freeza's (pre-Golden) strength by Dragon World standards is pretty freakish.

Therefore, the idea that Universe 6's fighters may not be too departed from that doesn't really cause any problems with the established logic. If Frost's final form was comparable to Perfect Cell, for example, it would make sense as to why Goku and Vegeta would need regular Super Saiyan to fight him and Piccolo would be able to hold his own whilst still being at a strength disadvantage.

Honestly, this tournament has been one of the most refreshing things I've watched in Dragonball in a long time. I had gotten sick of the trend of every new enemy being successively stronger; once we had reached God-tier stuff, things had really gotten out of hand. I think Toriyama was right to dial it back - to ensure that there is space for longitudinal expansions into the story, I feel that he simply had to.

I expect, as I think most people do, that Hit will probably be on another level altogether and require Goku or Vegeta to tap into their God powers (Super Saiyan Blue) - but really, production issues are the only thing that are stiffing my enjoyment of the story at the moment.

Frost is at least final form frieza in Resurrection of F and probably more beacuse Goku used base against both and had to transform against Frost. The universe 6 characters are really strong. You also have to assume that God ki can't be switched on or off as Beerus would have mentioned it, people need to stop spreading false rumours and use evidence from the episodes. This is includes like I mentioned earlier Frost's power and then from that you can see Piccolo has to be close to Frost.

I struggle to see how that works - as a single beam from first form Freeza was enough to kill Piccolo in Super. Frost not only blows a hole in his leg, but also has to exert visible effort to try and land an attack on Piccolo as he dodges him. Even by the ridiculous meter of Dragonball power-ups, it's difficult to see how Piccolo could have risen to that level with a few days worth of training.

Honestly, I think that Goku and Vegeta are deliberately holding back power, and only using exactly the level of strength that is required of them on a fight-by-fight basis. I think it all comes back to Whis' training, about the idea of them becoming more efficient with ki control (and stopping it from leaking out) as well as Goku's overconfidence and complacency being a continued issue (as seen again by Frost being able to drug him).

I'm not saying that you're wrong - and as with any sort of nebulous Dragonball strength debate, it's never ever clear cut, but for now, I'm pretty confident with my reading of things.

It was a few months training and remember every time Piccolo got hit is because he wanted too he was probably faking the pain to make it seem like he was losing.

[supercat]

This whole concept of fighting in a suppressed state and/or having the ability to turn certain types of ki on and off is unnecessarily convoluted in my opinion. First and foremost, wouldn't suppressed exertion be coupled with calm facial expressions and/or gestures?

Even from an out-of-universe standpoint, there's hasn't been any conclusive evidence that irrefutably points to such theories holding any validity. I doubt much thought was put into such minute details. The series has always revolved around a rather simple but practical concept; fighter a was strong enough to defeat fighter b or less frequently, fighter a utilized a tactical methodology to trump fighter b.

Despite Frost likely being several notches below Goku, I have no reason to believe that he was tangling with a severely suppressed version of the latter.

To all the people talking about the lack of information pertaining to Piccolo's power up: where's the information regarding Goku fighting in a suppressed state and/or his ability to switch certain types of ki on and off?

[ZombieVito]

There's one conclusive thing in episode 30 that seals the deal here.

Once Gohan said he wanted to compete, Goku was going to take him and Majin Boo to the tournament, not Piccolo. After Gohan revealed he couldn't go then they look at Piccolo for the last spot.

As much as it pains me to say, Majin Boo is still stronger than Piccolo. For now.

On the bright side Super did confirm that Piccolo is indeed stronger than the kids and he did get a power up since he was on par with base Gohan who was stronger than Tagoma by that episode.

[namekiansaiyan]

There's one conclusive thing in episode 30 that seals the deal here.

Once Gohan said he wanted to compete, Goku was going to take him and Majin Boo to the tournament, not Piccolo. After Gohan revealed he couldn't go then they look at Piccolo for the last spot.

As much as it pains me to say, Majin Boo is still stronger than Piccolo. For now.

On the bright side Super did confirm that Piccolo is indeed stronger than the kids and he did get a power up since he was on par with base Gohan who was stronger than Tagoma by that episode.

Goku still has no clue how strong Gohan is. Goku let Gohan participate because he asked too. What about the Frost fight as evidence for a power up.

[Blade]

Even from an out-of-universe standpoint, there's hasn't been any conclusive evidence that irrefutably points to such theories holding any validity. I doubt much thought was put into such minute details. The series has always revolved around a rather simple but practical concept; fighter a was strong enough to defeat fighter b or less frequently, fighter a utilized a tactical methodology to trump fighter b.

I don't know what you're talking about. During Goku's half-episode fight with Frost alone, it's established twice that Frost is holding back, and once that Goku is too. Transformations are utilised as visual affirmations of character strength growth in the Shonen genre; just as we know that the gold hair of a Super Saiyan denotes a higher power than the black hair of a base-form, why is it surprising that the blue hair of a 'Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan' denotes a higher power still?

It's not really convoluted at all, it's the usual 'This is my true strength!' or the 'Now I'm fighting for real!' trope that Dragonball has been packed with since the very start.

[TekTheNinja]

You know, I've seen a lot of people complain about the strength of some of the Universe 6 fighters, but really, I think these have been some of the most consistent in-Universe battles in a long time.

Freeza was the essentially the galactic overlord of Universe 7 before Goku, as a Super Saiyan, deposed him. Aside from bio-mechanical creations like Cell, anomalies of creation like Buu and the Gods of Destruction, Freeza's (pre-Golden) strength by Dragon World standards is pretty freakish.

Therefore, the idea that Universe 6's fighters may not be too departed from that doesn't really cause any problems with the established logic. If Frost's final form was comparable to Perfect Cell, for example, it would make sense as to why Goku and Vegeta would need regular Super Saiyan to fight him and Piccolo would be able to hold his own whilst still being at a strength disadvantage.

Honestly, this tournament has been one of the most refreshing things I've watched in Dragonball in a long time. I had gotten sick of the trend of every new enemy being successively stronger; once we had reached God-tier stuff, things had really gotten out of hand. I think Toriyama was right to dial it back - to ensure that there is space for longitudinal expansions into the story, I feel that he simply had to.

I expect, as I think most people do, that Hit will probably be on another level altogether and require Goku or Vegeta to tap into their God powers (Super Saiyan Blue) - but really, production issues are the only thing that are stiffing my enjoyment of the story at the moment.

Honestly the problem I have with it is it lacks tension. We know if Goku or Vegeta fought at full power they would easily destroy these guys, so it's just kinda lame.

[Lionel]

Goku still has no clue how strong Gohan is. Goku let Gohan participate because he asked too. What about the Frost fight as evidence for a power up.

Gohan also has the highest measure of potential out of the group according to Vegeta. He cited that as the causal factor in suggesting him for the tournament.

There's one conclusive thing in episode 30 that seals the deal here.

Once Gohan said he wanted to compete, Goku was going to take him and Majin Boo to the tournament, not Piccolo. After Gohan revealed he couldn't go then they look at Piccolo for the last spot.

As much as it pains me to say, Majin Boo is still stronger than Piccolo. For now.

On the bright side Super did confirm that Piccolo is indeed stronger than the kids and he did get a power up since he was on par with base Gohan who was stronger than Tagoma by that episode.

Well if Super is still considering the epilogue of Z to be the factual end of the plotline then Buu must have surely upheld his "superiority" over Piccolo. Think about it -- who is participating in the 28th tournament? Buu. Piccolo is depicted as being a passive observer along with everyone else. He's not questioned or remarked as being part of the fighting scene anymore. It's a simple complacency with his new role as spectator alongside the humans. It doesn't speak well about his odds in Super now does it? Should that future event be interpreted as a portent for Piccolo's eventual regression into nothingness then there really is no hope for Piccolo fans like yourself and I.

[namekiansaiyan]

Goku still has no clue how strong Gohan is. Goku let Gohan participate because he asked too. What about the Frost fight as evidence for a power up.

Gohan also has the highest measure of potential out of the group according to Vegeta. He cited that as the causal factor in suggesting him for the tournament.

There's one conclusive thing in episode 30 that seals the deal here.

Once Gohan said he wanted to compete, Goku was going to take him and Majin Boo to the tournament, not Piccolo. After Gohan revealed he couldn't go then they look at Piccolo for the last spot.

As much as it pains me to say, Majin Boo is still stronger than Piccolo. For now.

On the bright side Super did confirm that Piccolo is indeed stronger than the kids and he did get a power up since he was on par with base Gohan who was stronger than Tagoma by that episode.

Well if Super is still considering the epilogue of Z to be the factual end of the plotline then Buu must have surely upheld his "superiority" over Piccolo. Think about it -- who is participating in the 28th tournament? Buu. Piccolo is depicted as being a passive observer along with everyone else. He's not questioned or remarked as being part of the fighting scene anymore. It's a simple complacency with his new role as spectator alongside the humans. It doesn't speak well about his odds in Super now does it? Should that future event be interpreted as a portent for Piccolo's eventual regression into nothingness then there really is no hope for Piccolo fans like yourself and I.

The end of Z means nothing rights now it wil probably change.

[supercat]

Even from an out-of-universe standpoint, there's hasn't been any conclusive evidence that irrefutably points to such theories holding any validity. I doubt much thought was put into such minute details. The series has always revolved around a rather simple but practical concept; fighter a was strong enough to defeat fighter b or less frequently, fighter a utilized a tactical methodology to trump fighter b.

I don't know what you're talking about. During Goku's half-episode fight with Frost alone, it's established twice that Frost is holding back, and once that Goku is too. Transformations are utilised as visual affirmations of character strength growth in the Shonen genre; just as we know that the gold hair of a Super Saiyan denotes a higher power than the black hair of a base-form, why is it surprising that the blue hair of a 'Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan' denotes a higher power still?

It's not really convoluted at all, it's the usual 'This is my true strength!' or the 'Now I'm fighting for real!' trope that Dragonball has been packed with since the very start.

You're missing the point; that analogy in my previous post was to highlight the unlikelihood of Goku having two base forms. Going out of your way to subscribe to a speculation that has yet to be confirmed is convoluted.

And stop putting words in my mouth; I never said that SSGSS doesn't yield a greater caliber of power than its incarnations. As a matter of fact, I adhere to the following:

Base Goku = SBG - I see the max potential of this form alone either rivaling his SSG incarnation from BoG or standing a notch or two below it.
SSJ (Gold) - Probably on par with SSG (BoG) at the very least.
SSGSS - Full power unleashed; notably stronger than any of his previous transformations, including SSG (BoG).