GT or Super? Which one is the best?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Super on the other hand flat-out tarnishes every goodwill of DB Fandom right off its trolly characters, ugly designs, mediocre fights, juvenile, forces humor & pathetic soundtrack.

Not arguing with your taste here, but these are the exact problems I have with gt, not super

Same, I've actually been impressed with many if Super's character designs. They're classic Toriyama, although they certainly don't scream "Dragon Ball" at me.

[SSJ Ace Son]

Super is by far better in my opinion

[successoroffate]

A consensus is really difficult to get. While Super expanded Z's story, GT remains (in my mind at least) as the proper closure to the franchise. Like I said before, Zamasu's arc is the only thing so far that I think Super did properly. The arc is just perfect.

Animation? While I don't really care that much about Animation, recent episodes have really had an impact on me. I think Super has no excuses as to why the animation can reach sometimes a low level of quality. GT, in a different time, with less advanced animation tools, did a far better job. The problem with GT is that after Bebi, it feels rushed.

I have high hopes for the Universe Survival arc cause I have no idea on how are they going to top Zamasu's arc.

[Lord Beerus]

Animation? While I don't really care that much about Animation, recent episodes have really had an impact on me. I think Super has no excuses as to why the animation can reach sometimes a low level of quality. GT, in a different time, with less advanced animation tools, did a far better job.

The quality of the animation is always down to how much time the animators have to work with and the quality of the animators and the additional help they have. The budget and tools available is an important factor but not a decisive one.

[successoroffate]

Animation? While I don't really care that much about Animation, recent episodes have really had an impact on me. I think Super has no excuses as to why the animation can reach sometimes a low level of quality. GT, in a different time, with less advanced animation tools, did a far better job.

The quality of the animation is always down to how much time the animators have to work with and the quality of the animators and the additional help they have. The budget and tools available is an important factor but not a decisive one.

Chances are GT had a more restricted budget too.

[Lord Beerus]

Animation? While I don't really care that much about Animation, recent episodes have really had an impact on me. I think Super has no excuses as to why the animation can reach sometimes a low level of quality. GT, in a different time, with less advanced animation tools, did a far better job.

The quality of the animation is always down to how much time the animators have to work with and the quality of the animators and the additional help they have. The budget and tools available is an important factor but not a decisive one.

Chances are GT had a more restricted budget too.

That's never implied to be the case. Hell, GT begins right after the last episode of Z. So it was definitely in the works for quite a while before Z ended.

[successoroffate]

The quality of the animation is always down to how much time the animators have to work with and the quality of the animators and the additional help they have. The budget and tools available is an important factor but not a decisive one.

Chances are GT had a more restricted budget too.

That's never implied to be the case. Hell, GT begins right after the last episode of Z. So it was definitely in the works for quite a while before Z ended.

I don't have facts supporting my belief that's true but we don't know for how long was Super in the works before the announcement neither...do we?

[sintzu]

We don't know for how long was Super in the works before the announcement neither...do we?

No, but based on its quality when it started it couldn't have been long.

[Son Vegito]

GT is much better than Super unless you replace the first two movie arcs with the movies aside of the transition episodes. Then they are pretty close to each other, but GT still a tad better. But it really comes up to the upcoming arc.

[Cetra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frG6Pf0SgvU

This will never even be a question for me.

And the moment Pan turns around for Goku's Genkidama, starts crying and says "Ojii-chan!" ... it warms my heart.

[precita]

GT

Id rather watch paint dry & find some entertainment value but not in Super

GT suffered frm identity crisis. Marketed as Z (essentially Toriyama's sequel), but turned out to be so only on platonic level with TOTAL UN-TORIYAMA direction. Outta nowhere, again reverted to vintage DB style & ended as Goku' show

Super on the other hand flat-out tarnishes every goodwill of DB Fandom right off its trolly characters, ugly designs, mediocre fights, juvenile, forces humor & pathetic soundtrack.

How on earth do you get that out of Super but not GT?

Ugly designs in Super? Most of the new characters look well done. Trolly characters? I also find the humor in Super pretty funny at times.

[Vijay]

GT

Id rather watch paint dry & find some entertainment value but not in Super

GT suffered frm identity crisis. Marketed as Z (essentially Toriyama's sequel), but turned out to be so only on platonic level with TOTAL UN-TORIYAMA direction. Outta nowhere, again reverted to vintage DB style & ended as Goku' show

Super on the other hand flat-out tarnishes every goodwill of DB Fandom right off its trolly characters, ugly designs, mediocre fights, juvenile, forces humor & pathetic soundtrack.

How on earth do you get that out of Super but not GT?

Ugly designs in Super? Most of the new characters look well done. Trolly characters? I also find the humor in Super pretty funny at times.

Look, if you dont find dumb characters with big nipples as ugly or turning Proudest Saiyan Prince in DBZ-verse into laughing stock or troll material by making him hunt Giant Octopus to make sushi for some Egyptian Cat i dunno what does

GT at least attempted sumthing different to cater new set of target audience & once it backfired, reverted.

Super indulges in its glorifying stupidity & fans defend it like shining armour while only difference that seperates it frm GT is that name: AT

Not considering myself as seasoned anime fan. But after coming across some good deal of anime: FMAB, DN, HXH2011, CG etc I can whole heartedly say yeah Super is being hated so much by casual anime viewers/fans (OUTSIDE of this Kanzenshuu community) that it could turn half of DBZ Fandom into Majins while GT is still considered an alternate take on DB that exemplifies Good ideas on paper executed poorly on storyboarding

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Humor is bad and should be frowned upon! I thought everyone was agreed on this.

[Gog]

Look, if you dont find dumb characters with big nipples as ugly or turning Proudest Saiyan Prince in DBZ-verse into laughing stock or troll material by making him hunt Giant Octopus to make sushi for some Egyptian Cat i dunno what does

that's classic Toriyama, and besides Monaka we've gotten tons of great designs, you do know that Z humiliated and humiliated Vegeta constantly, even taking him on humiliation congas. What super has done to him is tame. laughing stock? Dancing so that a being light years ahead of him doesn't destroy everything he loves? It's a gag. Jesus.

GT at least attempted sumthing different to cater new set of target audience & once it backfired, reverted.

GT tried something different? The first arc was a literal retread of the first Dragon ball arc, even going as far as to turn Goku into a kid, and ripping entire plot points from the original dragon ball.

Super indulges in its glorifying stupidity & fans defend it like shining armour while only difference that seperates it frm GT is that name: AT

Super does what Z does, and some people hate it because it does what Z does. Most liek it and wish that it'll ge better, the only thing that separates Super from Gt, is the plot points, the characters. Nearly everything.

Not considering myself as seasoned anime fan. But after coming across some good deal of anime: FMAB, DN, HXH2011, CG etc I can whole heartedly say yeah Super is being hated so much by casual anime viewers/fans (OUTSIDE of this Kanzenshuu community) that it could turn half of DBZ Fandom into Majins while GT is still considered an alternate take on DB that exemplifies Good ideas on paper executed poorly on storyboarding

I can also wholeheartedly say, by the simple fact that Dragon Ball Super is still running, and is still amazingly successful, that most people like Dragon Ball Super, and the people who hate it are more vocal than the ones that like it. I'd even go out and say that besides the black dragon's GT's ideas are inferior to Dragon Ball Super

[Cetra]

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I can also wholeheartedly say, by the simple fact that Dragon Ball Super is still running, and is still amazingly successful, that most people like Dragon Ball Super, and the people who hate it are more vocal than the ones that like it. I'd even go out and say that besides the black dragon's GT's ideas are inferior to Dragon Ball Super

And I can wholeheartedly say that you even admitted to not have watched GT, so watch it in Japanese and then re-rate.

[kinisking]

The way I see it:
GT produced many amazing ideas, but executed them poorly.
Super produced many meh ideas, but executed them greatly.

Which idea haven't you liked from DBS specifically? Also, the execution for most of Super has been notoriously bad. Not sure what lead you to this conclusion.

An evil Goku sounded horrible but it was executed brilliantly.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The way I see it:
GT produced many amazing ideas, but executed them poorly.
Super produced many meh ideas, but executed them greatly.

Which idea haven't you liked from DBS specifically? Also, the execution for most of Super has been notoriously bad. Not sure what lead you to this conclusion.

An evil Goku sounded horrible but it was executed brilliantly.

Goku black was only Evil Goku in the most superficial, promotional sense. I'd hardly say that counts, but who am I?

[Gog]

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I can also wholeheartedly say, by the simple fact that Dragon Ball Super is still running, and is still amazingly successful, that most people like Dragon Ball Super, and the people who hate it are more vocal than the ones that like it. I'd even go out and say that besides the black dragon's GT's ideas are inferior to Dragon Ball Super

And I can wholeheartedly say that you even admitted to not have watched GT, so watch it in Japanese and then re-rate.

I was just venting a lot, I'm planning on watching GT later on, so don't take anything I say seriously.

[Noah]

As a matter of fact, a fallen Kaioshin to be the main villain was a great idea, but executed poorly.

[kinisking]

Which idea haven't you liked from DBS specifically? Also, the execution for most of Super has been notoriously bad. Not sure what lead you to this conclusion.

An evil Goku sounded horrible but it was executed brilliantly.

Goku black was only Evil Goku in the most superficial, promotional sense. I'd hardly say that counts, but who am I?

Still evil Goku

I think the BoG arc was also executed well. If someone told me in 2010 we'd have an arc in Dragonball with an over powered cat that's obssessed with food, I'd be annoyed. Yet I think the arc is great if you ignore the fact that it was a movie first.

And considering a lot of people think Zamasu is the best villian yet, I don't think he was executed badly Noah. Unless you mean his execution by the Omni king. Then yeah, not so great .