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I guess that makes sense. While it's a treat for us fans to compare, the actors of one version might not be as pleased for such comparing. That being said, Sabat and Rager were poking the bear by making those tweets. Had they not said a thing about a second dub, chances are it wouldn't have been brought up until it surfaced online.NintendoBlaze53 wrote:The 2nd Ocean dub was never meant to be seen in America. It's still compared. I get what Sabat is saying though. It's disappointing as a artist, to be constantly compared. At the same time, Funi either couldn't or wouldn't get their dub licensed for the rest of the world outside America. Many English speaking countries love Dragon Ball, there was profits for Toei to gain there.
The wait is over and new episodes of Dragon Ball return on Toonami Asia!
The series debut of ‘Dragon Ball Super’ in Asia – and the international English-language premiere – is set for Saturday, January 21, 2017.
For those fanboys and girls who want to know who’s behind our English dub, the company is called Bang Zoom. And here is the cast for 7 of the key roles:
Goku – Lex Lang
Goten – Dana Hayes
Beerus – Archie Fletcher
King Kai - Michael McConnohie
Vegeta - Kaiji Tang
Trunks – Haley Lewis
Piccolo – Ray Chase
That's not how that works. The Saban-funded dub recorded at Ocean, was literally FUNimation's dub. The later dubs were pretty much the same thing, just without any money & sure, a different composer. The dub that BZ is recording is entirely removed from FUNi. IIRC it's paid for by Toei themselves, just super-low-budget. & yes, FUNimation has serious localization in their scripts (not DB, just in general), whereas Toei is the actual Japanese company so their scripts understandably are more strict (Aniplex, Bandai, & Viz have this too).sangofe wrote:jelleline89 wrote:Ok, this is just getting stupid. According to Rager, Bang Zoom is copying them, this making their dub shit.
https://twitter.com/ragercoaster/status ... 74274?s=09
Imgur Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/jSdt7eP.png
Didn't FUNimation do the exact same thing when thru took over for Ocean for DBZ? So it's not like Bang Zoom has been the only studio to do this. Besides, since the FUNimation dub of DBZ was already aired on Toonami Asia, it only makes sense for Bang Zoom to keep the returning characters sounding as similar as possible. TPCi also did this with Pokémon and CWi with Sailor Moon so I don't understand Rager's logic.
Finally, how "original" can you be when both parties are working on a dub of the exact same show? The fact that Bang Zoom has a different dub script from FUNimation is definitely original, all things considered.
Lex said they're not copying them though. Plus yeah, Funimation copied saban /ocean.
Someone mentioned this to me on Twitter not 5 minutes ago. I literally actually came here to post this video. Also:Super Saiyan Prime wrote:https://youtu.be/oshoRDqLRJcThe wait is over and new episodes of Dragon Ball return on Toonami Asia!
The series debut of ‘Dragon Ball Super’ in Asia – and the international English-language premiere – is set for Saturday, January 21, 2017.
For those fanboys and girls who want to know who’s behind our English dub, the company is called Bang Zoom. And here is the cast for 7 of the key roles:
Goku – Lex Lang
Goten – Dana Hayes
Beerus – Archie Fletcher
King Kai - Michael McConnohie
Vegeta - Kaiji Tang
Trunks – Haley Lewis
Piccolo – Ray Chase
To quote our good friend NinjaCoachZ: I think we have a prophet.ConfusedPhantom wrote:I dunno, I think Kaiji Tang's suave-ish voice would probably work better on Vegeta. It'd be pretty interesting if they got Michael McConnohie for the narrator and Kaio.
EDIT: Eh, I'll make a guess. (in the works)
[spoiler]Narrator / Kaio :: Michael McConnohie / Steve Kramer[/spoiler]
The BZ dub is the property of the Turner Network. They commissioned and paid for its production.huzaifa_ahmed wrote:IIRC it's paid for by Toei themselves, just super-low-budget. & yes, FUNimation has serious localization in their scripts (not DB, just in general), whereas Toei is the actual Japanese company so their scripts understandably are more strict (Aniplex, Bandai, & Viz have this too).
NintendoBlaze53 wrote:All that aside, if Kaiji is playing sayyyyyy Vegeta, I might actually love the Bang Zoom dub.
Guess I now love the Bang Zoom dub XD. In all seriousness Kaiji is PERFECT as Vegeta. He might even be able to match Horikawa. No doubt he sounds like Sabat though, albeit a little more laid back Sabat.Super Saiyan Prime wrote:https://youtu.be/oshoRDqLRJcThe wait is over and new episodes of Dragon Ball return on Toonami Asia!
The series debut of ‘Dragon Ball Super’ in Asia – and the international English-language premiere – is set for Saturday, January 21, 2017.
For those fanboys and girls who want to know who’s behind our English dub, the company is called Bang Zoom. And here is the cast for 7 of the key roles:
Goku – Lex Lang
Goten – Dana Hayes
Beerus – Archie Fletcher
King Kai - Michael McConnohie
Vegeta - Kaiji Tang
Trunks – Haley Lewis
Piccolo – Ray Chase
From what I've heard of him I don't think he sounds much like Sabat at all. I only hope he's using a lighter pitch closer to his Tsumugu voice rather than his Kenshiro.NintendoBlaze53 wrote:Guess I now love the Bang Zoom dub XD. In all seriousness Kaiji is PERFECT as Vegeta. He might even be able to match Horikawa. No doubt he sounds like Sabat though, albeit a little more laid back Sabat.
I'm very well aware that FUNimation had the rights and used Saban to dub, but they did they do the casting? And why didn't they just keep the actors from the Saban period?huzaifa_ahmed wrote:That's not how that works. The Saban-funded dub recorded at Ocean, was literally FUNimation's dub. The later dubs were pretty much the same thing, just without any money & sure, a different composer. The dub that BZ is recording is entirely removed from FUNi. IIRC it's paid for by Toei themselves, just super-low-budget. & yes, FUNimation has serious localization in their scripts (not DB, just in general), whereas Toei is the actual Japanese company so their scripts understandably are more strict (Aniplex, Bandai, & Viz have this too).sangofe wrote:jelleline89 wrote:Ok, this is just getting stupid. According to Rager, Bang Zoom is copying them, this making their dub shit.
https://twitter.com/ragercoaster/status ... 74274?s=09
Imgur Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/jSdt7eP.png
Didn't FUNimation do the exact same thing when thru took over for Ocean for DBZ? So it's not like Bang Zoom has been the only studio to do this. Besides, since the FUNimation dub of DBZ was already aired on Toonami Asia, it only makes sense for Bang Zoom to keep the returning characters sounding as similar as possible. TPCi also did this with Pokémon and CWi with Sailor Moon so I don't understand Rager's logic.
Finally, how "original" can you be when both parties are working on a dub of the exact same show? The fact that Bang Zoom has a different dub script from FUNimation is definitely original, all things considered.
Lex said they're not copying them though. Plus yeah, Funimation copied saban /ocean.
As actors, no, they're not doing impressions. But it certainly feels like the casting had "sound-alikes" in mind as well.
A guy by the name of Barry Watson, who was an early business partner to FUNimation CEO Gen Fukunaga, was basically the "creative supervisor" back in the day, and many things--including casting decisions--were his call. Back when FUNimation first started working with Ocean, Watson would actually fly back and forth between Dallas, Texas where FUNimation is based and Vancouver, British Columbia (Canada) where Ocean is based.sangofe wrote:I'm very well aware that FUNimation had the rights and used Saban to dub, but they did they do the casting? And why didn't they just keep the actors from the Saban period?
Well, didn't expect that. LOL Really looking forward to hearing how they sound. I'm probably mostly surprised to see Ray Chase there, thoughhuzaifa_ahmed wrote:Someone mentioned this to me on Twitter not 5 minutes ago. I literally actually came here to post this video. Also:Super Saiyan Prime wrote:https://youtu.be/oshoRDqLRJcThe wait is over and new episodes of Dragon Ball return on Toonami Asia!
The series debut of ‘Dragon Ball Super’ in Asia – and the international English-language premiere – is set for Saturday, January 21, 2017.
For those fanboys and girls who want to know who’s behind our English dub, the company is called Bang Zoom. And here is the cast for 7 of the key roles:
Goku – Lex Lang
Goten – Dana Hayes
Beerus – Archie Fletcher
King Kai - Michael McConnohie
Vegeta - Kaiji Tang
Trunks – Haley Lewis
Piccolo – Ray Chase
To quote our good friend NinjaCoachZ: I think we have a prophet.ConfusedPhantom wrote:I dunno, I think Kaiji Tang's suave-ish voice would probably work better on Vegeta. It'd be pretty interesting if they got Michael McConnohie for the narrator and Kaio.
EDIT: Eh, I'll make a guess. (in the works)
[spoiler]Narrator / Kaio :: Michael McConnohie / Steve Kramer[/spoiler]
Thank God for that Kaio, tho.
Everything Michael McConnohie touches is gold.Super Saiyan Prime wrote:King Kai - Michael McConnohie
Haven't heard of Archie Fletcher. Anybody here familiar with this VA and whether he would be a good fit for Beerus? I mean, it's going to hard to top Jason Douglas, and I'd like to know that there are two English VA that are doing exception work when it comes to voicing the character.Super Saiyan Prime wrote:Beerus – Archie Fletcher
He's a total unknown. I suspect there's a very good chance it's an alias for someone else. Same with Goten and Trunks' voices.Lord Beerus wrote:Haven't heard of Archie Fletcher. Anybody hear familiar with this VA and whether he would be a good fit for Beerus? I mean, it's going to hard to top Jason Douglas, and I'd like to know that there are two English VA that are doing exception work when it comes to voicing the character.Super Saiyan Prime wrote:Beerus – Archie Fletcher
My guess is they're using an alias because they might do work FUNi as well as Bang Zoom. After what we seen on Twitter, it's pretty clear not all is peachy between the two studios so I can't blame them for having to use an alias. One actor that comes to mind who does do voice work for both is Bryce Papenbrook, but I don't think he's Archie. But who knows.Nightmare Wheel wrote:He's a total unknown. I suspect there's a very good chance it's an alias for someone else. Same with Goten and Trunks' voices.Lord Beerus wrote:Haven't heard of Archie Fletcher. Anybody hear familiar with this VA and whether he would be a good fit for Beerus? I mean, it's going to hard to top Jason Douglas, and I'd like to know that there are two English VA that are doing exception work when it comes to voicing the character.Super Saiyan Prime wrote:Beerus – Archie Fletcher
Nah, it's far more likely to be a union issue. Kaiji Tang has done some work for Funimation and he's using his real name here.jelleline89 wrote:My guess is they're using an alias because they might do work FUNi as well as Bang Zoom. After what we seen on Twitter, it's pretty clear not all is peachy between the two studios so I can't blame them for having to use an alias. One actor that comes to mind who does do voice work for both is Bryce Papenbrook, but I don't think he's Archie. But who knows.Nightmare Wheel wrote:He's a total unknown. I suspect there's a very good chance it's an alias for someone else. Same with Goten and Trunks' voices.Lord Beerus wrote: Haven't heard of Archie Fletcher. Anybody hear familiar with this VA and whether he would be a good fit for Beerus? I mean, it's going to hard to top Jason Douglas, and I'd like to know that there are two English VA that are doing exception work when it comes to voicing the character.
