You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

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Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

Post by Low Tone G » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:48 am

In my unbiased opinion, Toei and Toyotaro conditioned Toriyama to make LSSJ canon...

Toriyama made the design for the respective transformation so I would really be surprised if this form didn't represent the same Legendary Super Saiyan concept from the particular movie...
Let's be honest, if you were a company who created that form, would you waste your own concept and replace with another?

I can really predict Brolly will follow Bardock's and Tarble's fate and become mentioned in the actual show.

I don't like Brolly, but the concept of this super saiyan I could accept in any day of the week.
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Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

Post by Alee9977 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:50 am

Low Tone G wrote:In my unbiased opinion, Toei and Toyotaro conditioned Toriyama to make LSSJ canon...

Toriyama made the design for the respective transformation so I would really be surprised if this form didn't represent the same Legendary Super Saiyan concept from the particular movie...
Let's be honest, if you were a company who created that form, would you waste your own concept and replace with another?
Well, GT is being replaced right now so...

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Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

Post by Low Tone G » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:59 am

Alee9977 wrote:
Low Tone G wrote:In my unbiased opinion, Toei and Toyotaro conditioned Toriyama to make LSSJ canon...

Toriyama made the design for the respective transformation so I would really be surprised if this form didn't represent the same Legendary Super Saiyan concept from the particular movie...
Let's be honest, if you were a company who created that form, would you waste your own concept and replace with another?
Well, GT is being replaced right now so...
Not really... GT could still happen if they wanted to.

I think the fact the Toriyama tends to listen to Toyotaro's ideas and Toyotaro used Broly's character in his own AF manga back when.. I think Toriyama could introduce an altered version of the same Broly we knew from the movies. Maybe the LSSJ concept made Toriyama to allow Broly to make his way in the main continuity.
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Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

Post by Alee9977 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:10 pm

Low Tone G wrote:
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Low Tone G wrote:In my unbiased opinion, Toei and Toyotaro conditioned Toriyama to make LSSJ canon...

Toriyama made the design for the respective transformation so I would really be surprised if this form didn't represent the same Legendary Super Saiyan concept from the particular movie...
Let's be honest, if you were a company who created that form, would you waste your own concept and replace with another?
Well, GT is being replaced right now so...
Not really... GT could still happen if they wanted to.

I think the fact the Toriyama tends to listen to Toyotaro's ideas and Toyotaro used Broly's character in his own AF manga back when.. I think Toriyama could introduce an altered version of the same Broly we knew from the movies. Maybe the LSSJ concept made Toriyama to allow Broly to make his way in the main continuity.
I always loved Broly's concept and design but the story is awful, I wouldn't mind If they make canon the LSSJ but it has to have a better story and development than Broly (which is not really complicated), besides, it's not like they haven't reused concepts before, Black could be the canon version of Turles, with a better story, design and everything. In this case we have Broly's design back but I hope everything will be different and better than all we saw in the 3 Broly movies

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Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

Post by Low Tone G » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:40 pm

Alee9977 wrote:I always loved Broly's concept and design but the story is awful, I wouldn't mind If they make canon the LSSJ but it has to have a better story and development than Broly (which is not really complicated), besides, it's not like they haven't reused concepts before, Black could be the canon version of Turles, with a better story, design and everything. In this case we have Broly's design back but I hope everything will be different and better than all we saw in the 3 Broly movies
Yeah, I meant that Toriyama can make everything canon and twist events just like he pleases just like the way he did with Bardock. Even though he did like the TV special he changed it significantly in order to fit it with his new concepts...
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Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

Post by Kanassa » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:42 pm

I just had a thought, if they make the Legendary Super Saiyan Form canon... Maybe this will explain Trunks's SSR form. Remember, when he first transformed he started looking very similar to Broly before he bulked down. Instead of a pesudo-blue form, it was simply him tapping into this LSS form. He didn't fully transform, which is why he only looked close to this form for a few minutes.
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Nah, until SSR appears in the manga, I have little confidence this is it.
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Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

Post by dbgtFO » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:23 pm

Kanassa wrote:Trunks's SSR form.
SSR is Super Saiyan Rosé, it's really bad to give them the same abbreviation and it is a shame there isn't a consensus on this. If anything it should be SSA, Super Saiyan Angry. But that's just a minor nitpick.
Remember, when he first transformed he started looking very similar to Broly before he bulked down. Instead of a pesudo-blue form, it was simply him tapping into this LSS form. He didn't fully transform, which is why he only looked close to this form for a few minutes.
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Nah, until SSR appears in the manga, I have little confidence this is it.
Maybe, though his hair didn't turn green for a brief second, so maybe not.

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Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

Post by ChronoTwigger » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:25 pm

She
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not
Broly.

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There isn't flashing text?

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Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

Post by Big Black Sayian » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:47 pm

Kanassa wrote:I just had a thought, if they make the Legendary Super Saiyan Form canon... Maybe this will explain Trunks's SSR form. Remember, when he first transformed he started looking very similar to Broly before he bulked down. Instead of a pesudo-blue form, it was simply him tapping into this LSS form. He didn't fully transform, which is why he only looked close to this form for a few minutes.
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Nah, until SSR appears in the manga, I have little confidence this is it.
Crazy but I had the same thought. :p

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Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

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Low Tone G wrote:In my unbiased opinion, Toei and Toyotaro conditioned Toriyama to make LSSJ canon...

Toriyama made the design for the respective transformation so I would really be surprised if this form didn't represent the same Legendary Super Saiyan concept from the particular movie...
Let's be honest, if you were a company who created that form, would you waste your own concept and replace with another?

I can really predict Brolly will follow Bardock's and Tarble's fate and become mentioned in the actual show.

I don't like Brolly, but the concept of this super saiyan I could accept in any day of the week.
nope pretty sure toriyama or toei come up with the idea
    but toyble is going to nerf female broly because toyo favorite toy brand is Image
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        Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

        Post by floofychan333 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:48 pm

        Gog wrote:
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        Gog wrote:I never. EVER wanted this, I got strong women with the angels, and that Buu girl. Fuck Broly. Fuck Akira Trolliyama, and his ways.
        What's wrong with having a strong female character? I understand thinking strong female characters aren't necessary (I disagree with this, but I understand it) but why would you get mad about this?
        Because at the time when I wrote this Post I was pissed off, not at that we have a new female strong character. But because we have new female BROLY character.
        Oh, I understand now. I hate Broly too.
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        Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

        Post by precita » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:22 pm

        People are making way too big a deal over this being Broly. It's a one-off gag. She'll get a decent fight and that's it.

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        Post by Almighty Majin » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:02 am

        Brolila looks very nice. I don't think we should judge her character by her appearance alone though. She probably won't be anything like Broly character wise so we will just have to wait.

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        Post by Vados_chan » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:08 am

        She's going to beat Goku and Vegeta even as SSB's and people are going to whine and complain.

        Bring it on.

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        Post by Chuquita » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:11 am

        How far she gets in the tournament I think is going to come down to which audience, Japan or International, is she created more for. Brolli's kind of a jokey, meme character in the Japanese fandom, but in the U.S. he's hulky action monster.

        If she's created more for the Japanese fandom, I don't think she'll get very far in the tournament (just a joke character "Hey remember Brolli -laugh-").
        If she's created for the U.S. audience I can see her making it deep into the tournament; like near the final rounds. (Because "Brolli power maximum".)
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        Post by TekTheNinja » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:30 am

        I hope she ends up being a Bruce Banner type character. Like maybe a Broly done right.

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        Post by Kanassa » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:40 am

        Vados_chan wrote:She's going to beat Goku and Vegeta even as SSB's and people are going to whine and complain.

        Bring it on.
        And if she doesn't, people are going to whine and complain. There's no winning side here... :D
        When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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        Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

        Post by Gog » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:44 am

        Kanassa wrote:
        Vados_chan wrote:She's going to beat Goku and Vegeta even as SSB's and people are going to whine and complain.

        Bring it on.
        And if she doesn't, people are going to whine and complain. There's no winning side here... :D
        But lets be honest people whine and complain, it just matters all about he quantity of whining and complaining. She must lose against them so we don't get flooded.

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        Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

        Post by Kanassa » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:47 am

        Gog wrote:
        Kanassa wrote:
        Vados_chan wrote:She's going to beat Goku and Vegeta even as SSB's and people are going to whine and complain.

        Bring it on.
        And if she doesn't, people are going to whine and complain. There's no winning side here... :D
        But lets be honest people whine and complain, it just matters all about he quantity of whining and complaining. She must lose against them so we don't get flooded.
        I thin the amount of complaints from the first female Super Saiyan losing or not is debatable, though I think the fact she already has the broly fans her losing might get more complaint
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        Re: You wanted strong women in Dragon Ball? (spoilers)

        Post by Beyond » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:13 am

        This isn't what I wanted. I wanted 18 to kick ass. Hopefully 18 gets to teach this freak a lesson.

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