If Dragonball Z came back on TV would Bruce Faulconer Music come back?

[Gaffer Tape]

Most watched doesn't mean it's more engaging. It takes time to build an audience and that audience wouldn't have built had they not cared about those first 53 episodes.

I get what you're saying but I don't think you're going to find more people reminiscing about Raditz and the Ginyu Force over Freeza vs Goku or the Cell Games for example. I'm also not naive enough to believe that every viewer was fully caught up with all the episodes at the time. Plenty of people dive straight into popular series knowing very little and having their friends fill them in.

I don't know, Raditz was the beginning and leaves quite the impression. Besides, the fight against Freeza and Cell are boss battles. Sure, friends will fill their friends in, but the reason they do so is because they enjoyed what came before. It takes time to build an audience. DB started off in syndication then went to Cartoon Network where it really began building its audience and then picked up more with new episodes. The show's increased popularity doesn't imply the subsequent arcs are more compelling.

Yeah, I agree with ABED. I find the first two seasons' material much more compelling than anything that came after. Maybe that's nostalgia. Maybe it's because it's the first stuff I saw. Or maybe it's because the quality genuinely is better. But that stuff is what got me into the series and left much more of an impression than the Freeza battle or anything with Cell.

[Kokonoe]

Freeza is flamboyant! That's a fact.

You should've read my post more carefully, I wrote that it was a little "too" flamboyant, not that it was flamboyant. Young's Frieza is flamboyant as well.

And what about Linda's voice sounds rough or sinister?

https://youtu.be/rgr7XyFiyjY?t=46s

Young is an older woman TRYING to sound sinister by telling really corny jokes. Her performance is someone trying way too hard.

Disagree, she pulls it off really well and I never felt she was trying too hard at anything. The way the voice rolls off despite the deepness makes it obvious to me. Also, jokes? She doesn't write the script for the english dub so that's a random statement to add when comparing the voices themselves.

What about her telling really terrible jokes is preferable to you than the actual character and an objectively better performance? And I will stand by that statement because despite what all your teachers have drilled in your head, not everything is subjective.

lol, I don't know what teachers drilled WHAT in your head, perhaps it was just merely the case you were one of those ego maniacs in class who never listened? Sounds about right at this point as all you've shown to me is that you cannot tolerate my view existing without being mentally pained by it and trying to convince me that I'm "objectively" wrong.

You previously stated you felt FUNi's VA's mesh better with the characters, but I don't think you understand who these characters are as evidenced by your statement about Freeza.

Oh, I do, but I can't help it you misunderstand the word "too".

I don't buy that for one single solitary second.

Lol what? Are you insinuating that I'm a liar now? I just explained to you why nostalgia doesn't affect my enjoyment for something, with various angles, and you make a comment denying it? All you are doing is proving that you are in fact biased here, not me.

The Faulconer score is indicative of the FUNi dub's problems. It's cheap and it never quiets down.

The Faulconer score is indicative of Funimation's excellence. It's great, progressive, and keeps the flow going with what's being shown on screen.

I can do that too.

[Zephyr]

The quality of the score is one thing (and I'd say is much more subjective). How fitting the score is, however, is another matter entirely. And I think that's ultimately the crux of the issue. I've yet to hear a compelling argument*** for why Faulconer Productions (because crediting only Bruce is an incredible disservice to important folks like Scott Morgan) composed a score that fit with Akira Toriyama and Toei Animation's Dragon Ball.

I'll concede fullstop that they composed a score that fit splendidly with FUNimation's Draggin' Bawl Zee™: a story that begins with Raditz landing on Earth, featuring minimal, if any, explicit references to wuxia/martial arts elements, is written like a melodramatic WWE skit loosely based on Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball story, and is decorated with his wonderful artistry. I mean this with the utmost sincerity: that description is written without an ounce of malice or smug derision. That is a series that I have an immeasurable degree of nostalgia for. I enjoy it, I like it, I love it. It, however, is not Akira Toriyama and Toei Animation's Dragon Ball. Faulconer Productions composed a score for this new and distinct take on the story, and that take is indeed new and distinctive. That's inarguable. I do agree that it's of a far lower quality when compared to the original version, but that's neither here nor there. The point is that I enjoy this take, and I understand why people enjoy this take.

However, what other people who enjoy this take need to understand, is that the music composed for it, is very un-Dragon Ball. And, quality arguments aside, I think that's the biggest problem, when talks of bringing it back inevitably resurface. FUNimation isn't in the business of producing that take anymore. They have no reason, then, to bring its accompanying musical score back.

***
I've heard every argument in the book, I believe. "Dragon Ball is comedic, Dragon Ball Z is serious, so Dragon Ball Z needs a more serious score", "Dragon Ball is fantasy, Dragon Ball Z is science fiction, so Dragon Ball Z needs a more science fiction-y score", "Dragon Ball is martial arts, Dragon Ball Z is super powers, so Dragon Ball Z needs a more badass score". These are all appeals to ignorance and misinformation.

Dragon Ball stops being purely comedic one story arc in, and gets pretty fucking serious business for its last two arcs. Z isn't even ever wholly devoid of comedy. Hoi Poi capsules are science fiction, and Majin Buu is crazy magical shit. From front to back, the series has always had a blend of fantasy and science fiction. That's part of what's so charmingly interesting about it. And, as Kunzait has gone to painstaking detail to document for everyone else's benefit (it's even stickied now!), Dragon Ball is front to back a wuxia story about martial artists doing martial arts against other martial artists, and no amount of aliens, space travel, time travel, and artificial intelligence could hope to change that. The score that Shunsuke Kikuchi composed, on the other hand, sounds far more appropriate for a wuxia/martial arts story.

Feel free to offer up some more, because I'm at a loss for how else anyone could justifiably believe that Faulconer Productions composed a score for Dragon Ball more fitting than what Shunsuke Kikuchi composed.

[Valerius Dover]

I don't really have any problem with anyone liking the Faulconer score. I actually like it a lot myself. The difference is that I'm not so blind that I can't open myself up to other versions. Faulconer fans seem to forget that the rest of the series exists, too. Most have never seen Dragon Ball, can't stand GT, and I wouldn't be surprised if they simply ignored the first 67 episodes of Z entirely.

And to claim the Z dub itself is objectively better than the Kai dub...? I honestly can't take that seriously. Some of these fans even hate the selective redubbing done in the season sets. It'd be one thing if it were addressing certain voice recasts which people tend to be 50 / 50 on, but to just label the whole Kai dub as terrible is just odd. Even the actors themselves agree it's better. That's not to say I dislike the Z dub. I think they did as well as they could have given the circumstances back then, and I have a huge amount of respect for that. Armed with the knowledge that it isn't a totally accurate adaptation, I can still enjoy it for what it is, and other versions as well.

Again, not hating on Team Faulconer, I really love their work, but it's just too much when fans are blinded by nostalgia. Fans like that are prone to follow the version they heard first. Isn't it possible to like more than one score? Or more than one version of the series?

Actually, on that note, I was wondering if Mr. Morgan has ever heard the Japanese score, and what your opinion might be. It'd be interesting to hear from one of the minds behind the other score. Got nothing against you or your work, so don't misunderstand me.

[ABED]

Lol what? Are you insinuating that I'm a liar now?

No, I just think that perhaps you aren't as introspective about your emotions as you assume. You take everything I say as a slight against you as a person. Please stop taking things as personal insults.

You should've read my post more carefully, I wrote that it was a little "too" flamboyant, not that it was flamboyant. Young's Frieza is flamboyant as well.

I did read your point, and Freeza is a flamboyant character. What moment from Ayres crosses that line with Freeza where it's over the top for even Freeza? Now you are complaining that I didn't see "too" and are getting hung up on that. Linda Young's performance isn't flamboyant as much as it is hammy and that's not the character. Young tries to sound sinister.

Also, jokes? She doesn't write the script for the english dub so that's a random statement to add when comparing the voices themselves.

I understand she doesn't write the scripts but that aspect affects the performance and characterization. Performance and writing are indeed different, but they aren't hermetically sealed concepts.

It's great, progressive, and keeps the flow going with what's being shown on screen.

What about the score was progressive? The score doesn't underscore what's being shown on screen, it practically shouts whatever is being shown on screen and doesn't shut up. It never lets the scene play and speak for itself.

[Kokonoe]

Feel free to offer up some more, because I'm at a loss for how else anyone could justifiably believe that Faulconer Productions composed a score for Dragon Ball more fitting than what Shunsuke Kikuchi composed.

Well, I'm the only dub fan left posting in this topic as the others have stated their piece and went on. So, for the sake of you wanting to know why one might feel it fits, I've linked a post I made about my feelings on the Faulconer Productions OST below. For the record, I have no intention or desire to convince anyone to agree with me on this view, I'm just showing you this because you seem to be at a loss at why someone would have this preference and consider it fitting for the anime. On that end, I fully expect disagreement, and I'm not here to get into a large debate on who's opinion is more 'right' as I literally do not care which one people consider the best as long as they are enjoying Dragon Ball. I also don't consider my view right or wrong (or anyone else's for that matter).

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No, I just think that perhaps you aren't as introspective about your emotions as you assume. You take everything I say as a slight against you as a person.

Perhaps that's because you are wording your statements as such? Bringing my teachers into this was really out of nowhere. Also, if we're going to get to a certain point where I explain from a few angles why I am not biased to like something, and you are telling me "I don't buy that for one single solitary second" and "you aren't as introspective about your emotions as you assume", then why should I even bother discussing this with you? Fun fact: People can actually think for themselves and differ from your view. I have to think about my views even more so since I tend to prefer dubbing, and on a semi-related note, I even entered a Dub vs Sub panel at an anime convention two days ago.

I did read your point, and Freeza is a flamboyant character. What moment from Ayres crosses that line with Freeza where it's over the top for even Freeza?

I wouldn't know how to word this eloquently, but the way they over extend the sound usage of the letter "O" in words. I still think it's a good voice, I don't dislike it, I just prefer Young's.

I don't really have any problem with anyone liking the Faulconer score. I actually like it a lot myself. The difference is that I'm not so blind that I can't open myself up to other versions. Faulconer fans seem to forget that the rest of the series exists, too. Most have never seen Dragon Ball, can't stand GT, and I wouldn't be surprised if they simply ignored the first 67 episodes of Z entirely.

"Can't stand GT", I mean, that's not like that is a Faulconer exclusive thing, it even did bad in Japan. I watched Dragon Ball the second they finally aired it over here and enjoyed it a bunch, and my friends who are Faulconer fans enjoy it a lot too. Dragon Ball hasn't had the availability that DBZ had over here, though. And I hella doubt that because the Saiyan Arc is one of the most iconic parts of the series.

And to claim the Z dub itself is objectively better than the Kai dub...? I honestly can't take that seriously.

Gonna play devil's advocate here for a moment. "And to claim Kai dub itself is objectively better than the Funi's first dub...? I honestly can't take that seriously." See how that is?
For the record, I never use "objective" when talking about fictional story opinions as it is all subjective in the end. No one truly is more right or wrong in most of these discussions.

Even the actors themselves agree it's better.

Again, not hating on Team Faulconer, I really love their work, but it's just too much when fans are blinded by nostalgia. Fans like that are prone to follow the version they heard first. Isn't it possible to like more than one score? Or more than one version of the series?

You posted this bit earlier in this thread from what I recall and I responded to it. The actors saying it's better is also an opinion, and to me, they do some things better, but overall it's not. HOWEVER, if you consider it better, don't let that bother you as you're entitled to your view just as much as I am.

I always feel the nostalgia argument illogical and invalid, I recall it was a big thing in the Pokemon fandom where you couldn't like older Pokemon games more than the newest ones because, and I quote, "they are objectively better". Funny thing about that is, people are using nostalgia even when the content is Japanese and not changed as much as the DBZ dub anime is from the original variant! I think people should chill with the "nostalgia" arguments and find another way to discuss their displeasure than throwing out buzzwords.

[ABED]

Bringing my teachers into this was really out of nowhere.

It was a generalized statement, not specifically about YOUR teachers. We've all been through school and we've all been fed that lesson about how everything is a matter of opinion. Yes, people can have differing POV's, but to say you don't have any unconscious bias comes off as a tad naïve. Everyone has unconscious biases. You have explained why you believe bias doesn't affect you, but I don't see a lack of bias or nostalgia from your writing.

So because Ayres over enunciates certain words, you prefer Linda's take to a take that is in line with who the character is?

people are using nostalgia even when the content is Japanese and not changed as much as the DBZ dub anime is from the original variant!

I'm not following your point. Care to explain?

The Faulconer score's inability to quite down is a problem I have with scores in general. Music can help a scene, but so can silence. I've noticed that more and more over the years.

[Kokonoe]

Bringing my teachers into this was really out of nowhere.

It was a generalized statement, not specifically about YOUR teachers. We've all been through school and we've all been fed that lesson about how everything is a matter of opinion. Yes, people can have differing POV's, but to say you don't have any unconscious bias comes off as a tad naïve. Everyone has unconscious biases. You have explained why you believe bias doesn't affect you, but I don't see a lack of bias from your writing.

It's honestly as clear as day. You've asked me quite a bit of questions here and I've explained to the best of my abilities why I think a certain way, and if you still consider bias is effecting my ability to properly gauge this discussion, then I honestly suggest we end the conversation because there is legit nothing else I can do.

And everyone has their own bias about certain things, but I know for absolute certain in this scenario I have no bias. I'm not biased for thinking Faulconer's OST is better for the anime, and I'm not biased for thinking the Season 3 dub is the best variant overall of the Cell Arc.

So because Ayres over enunciates certain words, you prefer Linda's take to a take that is in line with who the character is?

It's that and that I feel the overall package I get with Young is better. I'm not saying it's factually or "objectively" better.

I'm not following your point. Care to explain?

This is a post I wrote somewhere else for Pokemon a few years back.

Nostalgia

Another thing that is brought up is that people will reference nostalgia if they like the previous versions, however, that line of thinking doesn't make sense. Nostalgia simply means a memory of a past good time, it does not mean biased, and nostalgia will never have that effect unless the person is biased. Because someone likes something else, it doesn't equate to a specific negative reason, and to tie to to that would make you actually the biased one.

I think using nostalgia is rather silly in itself, there are reasons people like whatever they like. Now, if it's from someone who stopped playing at the original games and says "the newer Pokemon games are terrible, blahblahblah." then there's where that argument can be brought up. For those who will say they liked the older generations more, and have participated in the later gens, I don't think it's fair at all to label that as nostalgia. It can easily be thrown around without any given reason, and has no basis unless it's what I stated before about never playing the games.

Let's say DPP/BW are your favorite versions, and ten years from now you still think they are your favorites, that wouldn't make you "nostalgic". And yes, I think there are highs and lows to every generation, it's purely preference in the end.

Essentially what I'm implying is that people use the nostalgia argument even when it's content that is unchanged, it's generally only used when someone has an opinion they disagree with.

[ABED]

Sure, people like what they like and often have reasons, but nostalgia is a perfectly valid reason. I miss my grandparent's place in PA. It was a shitbox of a house with décor that hadn't been updated since the 70's, but I have MANY fond memories of the place and if I was rich, I would buy the place.

It's that and that I feel the overall package I get with Young is better. I'm not saying it's factually or "objectively" better.

Ayres is factually better and his take IS the character. Young's is not. Some of that is the writing, but in Kai, she couldn't perform the way they needed, so they turned an actor that could. Like Young's take all you want, but that's not the character.

Essentially what I'm implying is that people use the nostalgia argument even when it's content that is unchanged, it's generally only used when someone has an opinion they disagree with.

What does content that's unchanged have to do with nostalgia? It's certainly true that just about any type of argument can be used just because someone disagrees with them, but it's also true that nostalgia is an important factor in MANY people's enjoyment of the shows they watched, especially when they were growing up. They might give reasons, but they're often grasping at straws in order to justify enjoying something they know is of shoddy quality.

I'm not biased for thinking Faulconer's OST is better for the anime

How is this not bias especially in light of the Faulconer score not getting the wuxia roots of the show?

[Kokonoe]

Sure, people like what they like and often have reasons, but nostalgia is a perfectly valid reason. I miss my grandparent's place in PA. It was a shitbox of a house with décor that hadn't been updated since the 70's, but I have MANY fond memories of the place and if I was rich, I would buy the place.

The difference here is I don't consider in any way the Funi dub as "shit" or bad. This is not something I remember fondly and acknowledge it's bad, I still feel it's actually the best variant of the DBZ anime that I've seen so far, and if that was going to change, it would've been when I watched the original twice, JPN Kai once, ENG Kai twice.

Ayres is factually better and his take IS the character. Young's is not. Some of that is the writing, but in Kai, she couldn't perform the way they needed, so they turned an actor that could. Like Young's take all you want, but that's not the character.

Perhaps that could've been because she got older? I couldn't find the specific reason, but saying "factually" is not true. There were some people upset at the change in the thread on Kanzenshuu from looking this up, although others were happy about it as well. Either way, just because she didn't get the role doesn't mean much when I have ears and I can discern what is better to me with them. And I consider her the character regardless if you agree or disagree.

What does content that's unchanged have to do with nostalgia? It's certainly true that just about any type of argument can be used just because someone disagrees with them, but it's also true that nostalgia is an important factor in MANY people's enjoyment of the shows they watched, especially when they were growing up. They might give reasons, but they're often grasping at straws in order to justify enjoying something they know is of shoddy quality.

Except that's not happening with me. If I literally thought it was shoddy, I'd make that evident.

How is this not bias especially in light of the Faulconer score not getting the wuxia roots of the show?

Because I have a different perspective? I don't personally agree the OST needs to be centered absolutely around that for it fit the content of the show, especially when there's cars, dinosaurs, animal people, crazy technology, and cities. Faulconer's OST also has enough diversity to properly convey things better in my eyes which is better suited for the anime.

[ABED]

Freeza is what Toriyama created. He's not a weird old lady sounding creature who spouts cheesy jokes and attempts to sound threatening. Freeza is a slightly flamboyant upper crust gentlemanly dictator whose polite front is a mask for his vicious nature. FUNi's take isn't a Freeza. That's a fact, whether you like it is a different matter.

FUNi's dub is of shoddy quality. It was a rushed production with an evidently green cast who were hired to imitate a previous cast, and the writing is all over the place.

Because I have a different perspective? I don't personally agree the OST needs to be centered absolutely around that for it fit the content of the show, especially when there's cars, dinosaurs, animal people, crazy technology, and cities. Faulconer's OST also has enough diversity to properly convey things better in my eyes which is better suited for the anime.

To that I would say you don't fully understand the story's DNA. Yes, the show has crazy stuff in it, but how does a cheap techno score work with the story better than the score that tonally understands the story and its characters? What does Faulconer's score convey to you? What about wuxia is incompatible with those other elements you mentioned? You do have a different perspective, but it's a biased one.

[Kokonoe]

You do have a different perspective, but it's a biased one.

And I think this about wraps up our conversation. For the sake of keeping this civil, I'm going to refrain from posting any further to you on this site. I said my fill, and that's that.

[ABED]

That wasn't meant as a jab, just my assessment of your take on the subject. You are in favor of a dub that is very different from Toriyama's story and that's reflected in the acting, dialog, and music which you say are better.

[jjgp1112]

You do have a different perspective, but it's a biased one.

And I think this about wraps up our conversation. For the sake of keeping this civil, I'm going to refrain from posting any further to you on this site. I said my fill, and that's that.

You're not really making a convincing case for your arguments other than "This is my opinion and I like it." I know this because you're making the exact same type of arguments from the same perspective that I once used to have.

The opinions of like-minded casual viewers who are nostalgic for the original dub doesn't change the glaring flaws that were present, flaws that are acknowledged even by those who were involved with it. Flaws that clash with the tone and intent of the original version.

[Zephyr]

for the sake of you wanting to know why one might feel it fits, I've linked a post I made about my feelings on the Faulconer Productions OST below. For the record, I have no intention or desire to convince anyone to agree with me on this view, I'm just showing you this because you seem to be at a loss at why someone would have this preference and consider it fitting for the anime.

Synthesized music is not inferior in my eyes, I prefer the Sega Genesis sound chip heavily over the Super Nintendo's despite the synth. It's just simply a different style of music to me.

You know, I've never seen the Genesis brought up when talking about this score. I definitely see a connection there, and that's probably why I still enjoy the score. I was listening to some random assortment of tracks last night, and it reminded me a lot of Vectorman's OST, and that's one of my all time favorite games.

I do have to ask, though: do you think that Kikuchi's score was also inappropriate for pre-Z Dragon Ball? Would that series have benefited, in your view, with something like the Faulconer Productions score?

I ask, because again, I think crux of the disagreement, as it tends to go when I observe or participate in these discussions, seems to be that Kikuchi was fine in Dragon Ball, but something about Dragon Ball Z is apparently just so distinctly different so as to warrant an utterly alien sounding score. If you think that Dragon Ball also should have had a soundtrack pulled straight from Vectorman, I'll just....agree to disagree. However, if you think that Kikuchi was totally fine for Dragon Ball, yet absolutely not for Z, then you're going to have to defend that position. And more often than not, the contrasts that are brought up between the "two" series in order to justify this polar opposite approach to musical scoring seem to be based on incorrect generalizations of both halves of Toriyama's story.

[King-K9]

Part of me wants Falconer's team to return just to see all of the controversy that would insue.

[Kokonoe]

for the sake of you wanting to know why one might feel it fits, I've linked a post I made about my feelings on the Faulconer Productions OST below. For the record, I have no intention or desire to convince anyone to agree with me on this view, I'm just showing you this because you seem to be at a loss at why someone would have this preference and consider it fitting for the anime.

Synthesized music is not inferior in my eyes, I prefer the Sega Genesis sound chip heavily over the Super Nintendo's despite the synth. It's just simply a different style of music to me.

You know, I've never seen the Genesis brought up when talking about this score. I definitely see a connection there, and that's probably why I still enjoy the score. I was listening to some random assortment of tracks last night, and it reminded me a lot of Vectorman's OST, and that's one of my all time favorite games.

I do have to ask, though: do you think that Kikuchi's score was also inappropriate for pre-Z Dragon Ball? Would that series have benefited, in your view, with something like the Faulconer Productions score?

I ask, because again, I think crux of the disagreement, as it tends to go when I observe or participate in these discussions, seems to be that Kikuchi was fine in Dragon Ball, but something about Dragon Ball Z is apparently just so distinctly different so as to warrant an utterly alien sounding score. If you think that Dragon Ball also should have had a soundtrack pulled straight from Vectorman, I'll just....agree to disagree. However, if you think that Kikuchi was totally fine for Dragon Ball, yet absolutely not for Z, then you're going to have to defend that position. And more often than not, the contrasts that are brought up between the "two" series in order to justify this polar opposite approach to musical scoring seem to be based on incorrect generalizations of both halves of Toriyama's story.

Oh, there is a misconception. Me using a bit of criticism towards something doesn't mean I dislike the OST overall or feel it is unfitting as I actually do like Kikuchi's score and feel it fits in its own way.

You do have a different perspective, but it's a biased one.

And I think this about wraps up our conversation. For the sake of keeping this civil, I'm going to refrain from posting any further to you on this site. I said my fill, and that's that.

You're not really making a convincing case for your arguments other than "This is my opinion and I like it." I know this because you're making the exact same type of arguments from the same perspective that I once used to have.

The opinions of like-minded casual viewers who are nostalgic for the original dub doesn't change the glaring flaws that were present, flaws that are acknowledged even by those who were involved with it. Flaws that clash with the tone and intent of the original version.

If you've read all of the posts I've made on the last few pages, I most certainly did make a convincing case, it's just not one you or other sub fans agree with. I'm also not about to take more comments about "nostalgia" as it's a ludicrous argument to make. If people want to discuss something with me, don't bring "nostalgia" into it as I've already handled that topic and once again, not about to have someone tell me I'm biased just because I think this one variant is superior over the other.

[ABED]

It's not ridiculous. Nostalgia plays a part in many people's opinions. That's not a knock or irrational. You might have already "handled" that discussion, but that doesn't mean we believe you're correct. Bias CAN be negative, but not always. We aren't journalists or writing academic articles.

[thaman91]

I agree with Kokonoe. And I love watching the dub with the Faulconer score. As far as the "objectively bad" comments go, it all depends on what criteria you're using. Is the criteria "how accurate is this to the original Japanese version"? If so, then you can probably argue with a good deal of objectivity. But if the criteria is "how entertaining is what I'm watching", then it all gets a bit more subjective. I think ABED is using the former criteria whereas Kokonoe (and I guess myself) are going by the latter. When taken completely on its own, I think the dub + Faulconer score make for an entertaining experience, despite being a different experience than what the original Japanese version is (I do agree though that Season 3's acting was not good). So no, liking the dub is not "just nostalgia"; that argument is mostly just a way to condescendingly invalidate differing opinions.

[ABED]

I don't recall saying liking the dub is JUST nostalgia, simply that it plays a role.