Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

[Mad Swami]

Listen, Goku absorbed God into his SS form therefor affecting his base form too. He kept that power upgrade until through Whis special training he awakened the God-like Saiyan state and SSGSS.. he then re-acquires his normal base form, his normal SS forms, and the Super Saiyan God form. His normal base form is now at least twice as strong as Super Buu as Copy Vegeta who was Goku's equal one shotted SS3 Gotenks who was Super Buu's equal and accoring to Toriyama and the Daizenshuu if an enemy cannot damage you, or you can one shot them then you are twice as strong as the enemy. So Goku and Vegeta's normal base forms are each twice as stronger as Super Buu was after the RoF Saga. That is a product of Whis training which they did for a long time.

You are wrong and normally I wouldn't get so irritated but when somebody refuses to read and understand then it irritates me. You are the causation of my responses to you. Sit and think about that.

But nothing states that, where is the objective proof, the statement saying "aww yes your bases seem to have reverted but now you can access these new god like powers" and the twice as strong thing is probably a minimum. I doubt he means that is the only scenario that that occurs. Your telling me when Jiren tanks SSJ1 Goku punching him in the face he is only twice as strong as SSJ1 Goku?

And no you came from the gates pissed. Also I backed up my points better than "It just is because I think I know more"

[QuakingStar]

Omg.. dude did you completely ignore the facts that I pointed out like.. multiple times? the very next saga in the anime and the manga both retconned Beerus and Gods power from the BoG movie and Saga. you are also failing to comprehend that the differences in power pointed out. Go read my comments again instead of ignoring them just to come back with your headcanon on the subject.

[QuakingStar]

@Swami no, at least twice as strong thats common sense. That does not mean ONLY twice as strong.
and no you didn't back up a single thing, at all.

[QuakingStar]

Sorry to everyone else, leave it up people who can't comprehend or read properly, and don't understand retcons and context to come in and derail the thread properly.

[Mad Swami]

Omg.. dude did you completely ignore the facts that I pointed out like.. multiple times? the very next saga in the anime and the manga both retconned Beerus and Gods power from the BoG movie and Saga. you are also failing to comprehend that the differences in power pointed out. Go read my comments again instead of ignoring them just to come back with your headcanon on the subject.

The movie, yes. Anime arc and manga arc? no. They just got stronger. You just seem to not understand suppression, fatigue, or cannon. You act as though me calling heroes fan service is me saying "Idiot don't touch that garbage" No I am saying while fun, it isn't a good judge of power. SSB VegitoX20 fought Cumber and was ruined. Then an arc later SSB Gogeta demolishes a much stronger opponent. Or SSB Goku being stated as SSJ4 Goku's equal or superior only for SSJ4 Vegito to beat Cumber. They just show cool fights that's it.

[Mad Swami]

and no you didn't back up a single thing, at all.

For all your insults about reading you sure seem to not be one for practicing what you preach

[QuakingStar]

You still aren't getting it.........

you never backed up a single thing, you just keep re-gurgitating the same shit that I already debunked and explained to you. Just move along, you can't seem to understand this.

[Mad Swami]

Sorry to everyone else, leave it up people who can't comprehend or read properly, and don't understand retcons and context to come in and derail the thread properly.

really man, you really going to act like your some perfect victim putting up with annoyance. Myself and others are simply providing legit criticism to your points

[Mad Swami]

You still aren't getting it.........

You still aren't paying attention.......

[QuakingStar]

You are so full of shit its baffling. You didn't bring up a single thing that I didn't already explain away or point you to the evidence of it being retconned or proven wrong. You just keep coming back with nothing. Move along kid.

[Mad Swami]

You still aren't getting it.........

you never backed up a single thing, you just keep re-gurgitating the same shit that I already debunked and explained to you. Just move along, you can't seem to understand this.

You never debunked God base Goku and can not. Saying it just is isn't debunking
You never debunked the whole fusions not being comparable to God forms automatically. As someone previously mentioned fusions are not clear cut and depend on the parts such as participants.
Never debunked Xeno Goku being the same one in each appearance
So yeah great debunking

[Mad Swami]

You are so full of shit its baffling. You didn't bring up a single thing that I didn't already explain away or point you to the evidence of it being retconned or proven wrong. You just keep coming back with nothing. Move along kid.

Bro it's probably pass your bed time... no I jest I aint gonna resort to that garbage. However I will say what evidence supports base Goku not retaining Goku. Every fight he takes part in shows he still has that power.

[Mad Swami]

I am going to go to bed. but before I go I just want to say, it's hilarious the fact you think SSB is comparable to SSJ4 when SSG stomps maliciously. Like no contest. Especially without any evidence. Tomorrow I will PM you and maybe we can clarify our thoughts you remove any confusion

[QuakingStar]

I'm 28 kid. I'm not your bro and I hope nobody is, I would hate for anybody to have the misfortune of being around you and related to you.

Clearly you haven't read the manga, played the game, or watched the anime. They each have differing versions of events with people having half the time different dialogue and sequence of events sometimes different events entirely. For example their are events in the arcade game that do not exist in the anime or the manga, and some stuff in Ultimate Mission X that does not exist in the other media period. You CLEARLY do NOT know what you are talking about and continue to want to argue with NOTHING at your disposal. You're trolling, and your goal is to derail this thread and I see this now. You are trying to get me and other users irritated and you succeeded with me. Move along troll.

[Mad Swami]

I'm 28 kid. I'm not your bro and I hope nobody is, I would hate for anybody to have the misfortune of being around you and related to you.

Clearly you haven't read the manga, played the game, or watched the anime.

did all those things

[Mad Swami]

I'm 28 kid. I'm not your bro and I hope nobody is, I would hate for anybody to have the misfortune of being around you and related to you.

They each have differing versions of events with people having half the time different dialogue and sequence of events sometimes different events entirely. For example their are events in the arcade game that do not exist in the anime or the manga, and some stuff in Ultimate Mission X that does not exist in the other media period. You CLEARLY do NOT know what you are talking about and continue to want to argue with NOTHING at your disposal. You're trolling, and your goal is to derail this thread and I see this now. You are trying to get me and other users irritated and you succeeded with me. Move along troll.

Idk man they also have a lot of overlapping details and consistencies. Not saying everything in the DBO series is cannon to that timeline but it usually all gets listed as a long sequence of events

[theherodjl]

I assume this thread is going to be locked soon?

[Mad Swami]

I'm 28 kid. I'm not your bro and I hope nobody is, I would hate for anybody to have the misfortune of being around you and related to you.

You CLEARLY do NOT know what you are talking about and continue to want to argue with NOTHING at your disposal.

This part bothers me the most with how much I have brought up in inverse info whereas you confused as hell try to say SSJ4 is stronger than SSG and fusions are stronger than that in base

[QuakingStar]

I hope it won't be locked soon. MadSwami came in to troll me and he will be the cause if it is locked. SS4 is above SSGod and on the same general level as SSGSS and he doesn't like it so he wants to troll and make shit up and ignore evidence and facts given to him. If there was a way to block him from this thread itself I would.. and if there is a way can somebody message me telling me how?? I have MadSwami blocked myself now, but not from the thread.

[Mad Swami]

I hope it won't be locked soon. Some certain somebody came in trolling and he will be the cause if it is locked. SS4 is above SSGod and on the same general level as SSGSS and he doesn't like it so he wants to troll and make shit up and ignore evidence and facts given to him. If there was a way to block him from this thread I would.. and if there is a way can somebody message me telling me how??

I am 100% serious in my arguments, I'm not a troll dude. Your just denying anything I said by plugging your ears. I hope it gets locked it didn't encourage conversation because the thread owner can't handle any proof against his points