English Dragon Box Release

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:27 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I'm not good at verbalizing my thoughts...

I understand what you mean, it's the thoughts I'm having trouble with. The Ocean dub doesn't contradict the FUNimation dub any more than any other dub. It's just a different take. The only way a supporter of 3 audio tracks should be opposed to a 4th is if it somehow affects the overall quality of the product.

Krakabeast · Post by **Krakabeast** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:27 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:The Ocean Dub isn't Funi's dub and conflicts with it. The Faulconer music IS part of Funi's dub and doesn't conflict with it at all. Much of the stuff in Funi's dub is made with his music in mind, which is why the dub sounds awkward with the Japanese music.
You... GAH! *grabs head*

As a fellow dub fan, I have to ask you to stop saying things like this. You're being contradictory and just generally not making sense.
I'm not good at verbalizing my thoughts...

I guess what I'm trying to say is...this is a Funi release. Why should we suddenly expect them to include the Ocean dub after 13 years? Let's be realistic, here.

Well subbed fans are getting their DBoxes after 13+ years.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:28 pm

Honestly the Ocean Dub hasn't been relevant since the debut of season 3. The Funimation version is what has been on American telivision, the games, and just about everything else for years. So it's probably more important to have the dub music as opposed to having the entire Ocean Dub on there.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:28 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:The Ocean Dub isn't Funi's dub and conflicts with it. The Faulconer music IS part of Funi's dub and doesn't conflict with it at all. Much of the stuff in Funi's dub is made with his music in mind, which is why the dub sounds awkward with the Japanese music.
You... GAH! *grabs head*

As a fellow dub fan, I have to ask you to stop saying things like this. You're being contradictory and just generally not making sense.
I'm not good at verbalizing my thoughts...

I guess what I'm trying to say is...this is a Funi release. Why should we suddenly expect them to include the Ocean dub after 13 years? Let's be realistic, here.

Because the Ocean dub a FUNi's. It's a FUNi dub. When we call it "the Ocean dub" we're referring to the cast. Ocean isn't a licensing company. It's a studio that FUNi used for their initial dub of the series and the movies. It's not like they're using someone else's stuff.

Also, the Ocean dub was a part of those 13 years you mention.

Chrono Trigger wrote:Honestly the Ocean Dub hasn't been relevant since the debut of season 3. The Funimation version is what has been on American telivision, the games, and just about everything else for years. So it's probably more important to have the dub music as opposed to having the entire Ocean Dub on there.

Not the entire thing! That's impossible with as much footage was cut and as many things that were changed or covered up. The whole idea was for, on the movies discs for DBZ movies 1-3, to maybe have the Ocean dub of those movies on there as an audio track option. Good acting, faithful script, Japanese BGM, uncut, and a good source of nostalgia on their biggest most definitive release.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:28 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:The Ocean Dub isn't Funi's dub and conflicts with it. The Faulconer music IS part of Funi's dub and doesn't conflict with it at all. Much of the stuff in Funi's dub is made with his music in mind, which is why the dub sounds awkward with the Japanese music.
You... GAH! *grabs head*

As a fellow dub fan, I have to ask you to stop saying things like this. You're being contradictory and just generally not making sense.
I'm not good at verbalizing my thoughts...

I guess what I'm trying to say is...this is a Funi release. Why should we expect them to include the Ocean dub after 13 years?

I've completely understood you this whole time...

And I agree.

FUNimation as their own dubs of the movies, and has no reason to not just use their own version.

Whether or not you want to believe it, FUNimation is now a capable dubbing company. They have their own dubs, and that is what they will use (Well, obviously this isn't applicable to the various license rescues they have made over the years...)

The only time they would outsource voice acting would be for the sake of consistency in some rare occasion.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:29 pm

FUNi created the Ocean dub, though (for the most part).

Hell, FUNimation owns the new Slayers series but is still dubbing it in NYC (where another company did the dubs of the previous three series').

But anyhow, I think a release of the Ocean dub is best left for a seperate set series (which I doubt would be very expensive, being dub only).

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:32 pm

Krakabeast wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote: You... GAH! *grabs head*

As a fellow dub fan, I have to ask you to stop saying things like this. You're being contradictory and just generally not making sense.
I'm not good at verbalizing my thoughts...

I guess what I'm trying to say is...this is a Funi release. Why should we suddenly expect them to include the Ocean dub after 13 years? Let's be realistic, here.
Well subbed fans are getting their DBoxes after 13+ years.

That's completely different. The Ocean dub was a cast that Funi used for two seasons and 3 movies and then ditched them for their own cast fot the rest of the show, and then redubbed the all of the material they did. They're no longer relevant to Funi.

With the Ultimate Uncut movies, they pretty much said, "Fuck the release with the other dub, this is what you should buy now."

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:33 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Hell, FUNimation owns the new Slayers series but is still dubbing it in NYC (where another company did the dubs of the previous three series').

Yes, but that is, again for the sake of consistency.

Yes, FUNimation did own the Ocean dub, but now that they have switched to their new cast, they have no real reason to go back to the other, less than ideal dub.

I'm not saying this as a "Y iz j00 h8in the Ohshun dubzzz!!" (why so defensive?) as much as I'm saying this is the likely option from a business standpoint.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:34 pm

Look back a few posts to what I just said.

Not. The. Whole. Thing. Just. The. First. Three. Movies.

It's not like there isn't room for it.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:35 pm

Kendamu wrote:Look back a few posts to what I just said.

Not. The. Whole. Thing. Just. The. First. Three. Movies.

It's not like there isn't room for it.

The Ocean dub for those is just as irrelevant to Funi as the first 2 seasons.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:36 pm

Kendamu wrote:Look back a few posts to what I just said.

Not. The. Whole. Thing. Just. The. First. Three. Movies.

It's not like there isn't room for it.

Yes. but. FUNi. likely. doesn't. see. any. point. to. it.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:36 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:Hell, FUNimation owns the new Slayers series but is still dubbing it in NYC (where another company did the dubs of the previous three series').
Yes, but that is, again for the sake of consistency.

Yes, FUNimation did own the Ocean dub, but now that they have switched to their new cast, they have no real reason to go back to the other, less than ideal dub.

I'm not saying this as a "Y iz j00 h8in the Ohshun dubzzz!!" (why so defensive?) as much as I'm saying this is the likely option from a business standpoint.

More like fans wanted it. They could have easily done a One Piece and done a total recast, but alas...

*Cuddles his One Piece box sets*

Budogenkai · Post by **Budogenkai** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:37 pm

I think the English dub sounded good with the Japanese BGM.

(just saying..)

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:38 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Look back a few posts to what I just said.

Not. The. Whole. Thing. Just. The. First. Three. Movies.

It's not like there isn't room for it.
The Ocean dub for those is just as irrelevant to Funi as the first 2 seasons.

Yeah, and now that FUNi is catering to "hardcore Japanese version fans" and not treating the franchise like it's for ADHD WWE kids who give pro wrestling fans a bad name, the US BGM is also just as irrelevant. But you want it, right?

"So let us enjoy our version while you enjoy yours. It's as simple as that."

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:39 pm

Budogenkai wrote:I think the English dub sounded good with the Japanese BGM.

(just saying..)

Seconded.

Plus, thanks to the break in music at a certain point, I have an awesome alarm clock tone now.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:40 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:The Ocean dub for those is just as irrelevant to Funi as the first 2 seasons.

And yet they aired on Cartoon Network as recently as just a few years back, including their original 1998 TV-broadcast version of DBZ movie 3 (with Ian Corlett, Shuki Levy's music, etc.).

That's slightly more "relevant" than the first two seasons, you would have to agree.

I agree, though; there's not a chance in Hell they'll do it. They've done everything in their power to distance themselves from ever having a previous voice cast (remember "The voices you love!" for "Ultimate Uncut" releases).

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:40 pm

Kendamu wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Look back a few posts to what I just said.

Not. The. Whole. Thing. Just. The. First. Three. Movies.

It's not like there isn't room for it.
The Ocean dub for those is just as irrelevant to Funi as the first 2 seasons.
Yeah, and now that FUNi is catering to "hardcore Japanese version fans" and not treating the franchise like it's for ADHD WWE kids who give pro wrestling fans a bad name, the US BGM is also just as irrelevant. But you want it, right?

"So let us enjoy our version while you enjoy yours. It's as simple as that."

The US dub music wasn't replaced and erased from existence before the show became popular like the Ocean Dub. Meanwhile, Funi used the Faulconer music while the show blew up and never replaced it at any point in time. Even when they added a new dub score they still kept it as an option, and it was even the default option on Seasons 4 and 5.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:41 pm

Budogenkai wrote:I think the English dub sounded good with the Japanese BGM.

(just saying..)

That's really the only way I can watch the series (in English) nowadays...

If they don't use the Japanese score, then it is highly doubtful that FUNi will see a dime from me with these Dragon Boxes.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:44 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:The Ocean dub for those is just as irrelevant to Funi as the first 2 seasons.
Yeah, and now that FUNi is catering to "hardcore Japanese version fans" and not treating the franchise like it's for ADHD WWE kids who give pro wrestling fans a bad name, the US BGM is also just as irrelevant. But you want it, right?

"So let us enjoy our version while you enjoy yours. It's as simple as that."
The US dub music wasn't replaced and erased from existence before the show became popular like the Ocean Dub. Meanwhile, Funi used the Faulconer music and never replaced it at any point in time.

The show was pretty damn popular long before the UUEs and the new dub they had on them. The Ocean dub stuck around for a real long time after FUNi switched casts. If it were "erased from existence" so early then there'd have never been DVDs of those first three movies with the Canadian cast.

I'm with Mike that they'd never actually do it, but I think it does deserve a fair chance to be acknowledged rather than swept under the rug as the specific movies people want on there are much more accurate than the series dub that you want on the DVDs.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:46 pm

Yeah, FUNimation isn't abandoning the JPN music track. That track was a step closer to finally cleaning up their image.

The Ocean dub was still quite popular even back in the Season 3-6 days when the series was still on Toonami. I think it's likely to say it has just as dedicated a fanbase as the Faulconer music does. The difference is that the Faulconer music track got a lfew more years than the Ocean cast version got during it's time as an 'current official version', but not if this set drops it.