"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Chiki]

My manhood was not threatened by a thin Super Saiyan God surrounded by sparkles, and it's not threatened by the potential rose-colored transformation seen in promotional artwork for an upcoming product.

Not sure why yours is...?

I never talked about my manhood being threatened though, that's something you made up. It has nothing to do with me; it has everything to do with Black as a character.

[VegettoEX]

Black is barely a character yet. How do you know what he thinks and feels and should represent?

You're either projecting onto him, or... I have no idea.

[Ajay]

Pink isn't out of place in Fairy Tale, so why would it be an issue in Dragon Ball? I'm not the biggest fan of that series, but Natsu's screen presence sure isn't affected by his pink hair.

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Same goes for Hisoka in Hunter x Hunter:

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It's a colour. It's not exclusive to any gender. It makes no difference.

We have no context for the colour yet, though I fail to see what could possibly be said that would render it unacceptable.

[Alruneia]

Then make a female ultra powerful Saiyan who can go Super Saiyan Rose.

Please. Not even the rose form, just have a female SSJ to begin with. We have Pan and Bulla (well, we're supposed to). Use them.

[Chiki]

Black is barely a character yet. How do you know what he thinks and feels and should represent?

You're either projecting onto him, or... I have no idea.

Pink isn't out of place in Fairy Tale, so why would it be an issue in Dragon Ball?

We know more than enough to determine if pink is an appropriate color, especially considering that Zamasu's personality is basically his as well. It's one thing to have a natural pink hair color (like Natsu, maybe Trunks) and another thing entirely for a hyped up well known transformation to be based around the color pink. He's not effeminate like Doflamingo from One Piece, and he's not childlike like Buu, so I fail to see why pink would be an appropriate color for his all-powerful transformation. White would have gone better with his outfit and made a great contrast with his name "Black" as well as match Zamasu's hair color. It would be almost as weird as Vegeta turning Super Saiyan Rose with his RoF outfit and turning into a giant pink Teletubby.

So unless you think that Black and Zamasu are secretly effeminate, I'm just not going to agree with you.

[Draconic]

You do know there's no pink teletubby, right? How that connection is made inside your head is baffling me.

[Chiki]

You do know there's no pink teletubby, right? How that connection is made inside your head is baffling me.

I thought Po was dark pink. So what though? Then I could call him a pink power ranger.

[Noah]

...I imagine her to pull a (Cell arc) Vegeta, and fire a large Ki-fueled bullet at Black OR she ends up grabbing Future Trunks' sword and stabs Black in the back, which then keeps him distracted long enough for him to be finished off with the Father-Son Final Flash/Father-Son Galick Gun.

Oh gosh... That would be so lame, I really hope they don't that, really Super do your own thing, stop being a rehash of DBZ for god's sake.

[sintzu]

That would be so lame, I really hope they don't that, really Super do your own thing, stop being a rehash of DBZ for god's sake.

It would be better than Goku killing him.

[Noah]

It would be better than Goku killing him.

Not it would not, and I'm not really a fan of Goku defeating the main villain (AGAIN), if it is for Trunks/Vegeta defeat Black, then do something else instead of a rehash of one of the most famous anime scene.

[Alee9977]

It would be better than Goku killing him.

Not it would not, and I'm not really a fan of Goku defeating the main villain (AGAIN), if it is for Trunks/Vegeta defeat Black, then do something else instead of a rehash of one of the most famous anime scene.

Well, Goku only killed Freeza in this series, he lost against Bills and surrended against Hit. And also, I'm pretty sure Future Trunks is the one who will defeat Black.
But, I really like the idea that Goku, Vegeta and Trunks could defeat Black all together, like in the Plan to erradicate Super Saiyans.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

We know more than enough to determine if pink is an appropriate color, especially considering that Zamasu's personality is basically his as well. It's one thing to have a natural pink hair color (like Natsu, maybe Trunks) and another thing entirely for a hyped up well known transformation to be based around the color pink. He's not effeminate like Doflamingo from One Piece, and he's not childlike like Buu, so I fail to see why pink would be an appropriate color for his all-powerful transformation. White would have gone better with his outfit and made a great contrast with his name "Black" as well as match Zamasu's hair color. It would be almost as weird as Vegeta turning Super Saiyan Rose with his RoF outfit and turning into a giant pink Teletubby.

So unless you think that Black and Zamasu are secretly effeminate, I'm just not going to agree with you.

What´s inherently bad about a transformation to be based around pink? What difference make it being hyped or not?

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

Pink hair is at least better than the whole white-haired transformations of Goku Black I've seen in the fandom. Calling the character "Goku Black" then giving him a transformation with the opposite hair color in white would have just been weird to me.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

That would be so lame, I really hope they don't that, really Super do your own thing, stop being a rehash of DBZ for god's sake.

It would be better than Goku killing him.

If executed well then I have no problem with Gokuu killing him.

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[nite_jay]

I'm surprised people are still arguing about Black's transformation. The color that looks to be used looks more like a very light red/ slight pink, rather than a full on bubblegum pink to me anyway.

[Marlowe89]

He's not effeminate like Doflamingo from One Piece, and he's not childlike like Buu, so I fail to see why pink would be an appropriate color for his all-powerful transformation.

Doflamingo is effeminate? That's news to me. Did you mean "flamboyant"?

Super Buu was also far less childlike than fat Buu and far more focused on pure destruction, and nobody ever had any problems with his color scheme.

[Beerus-sama]

I'm surprised people are still arguing about Black's transformation. The color that looks to be used looks more like a very light red/ slight pink, rather than a full on bubblegum pink to me anyway.

Agree, even I stated in the thread talking about Black's hair color that it doesn't looks pink to me, I suggested some colors, but I guess neither of them are
You even look at the fanarts out there and they use light pink, that is not even close to the actual color of Black

[TekTheNinja]

He lost to Beerus (twice) and he lost to Hit, he only killed Freeza with Whis's help

But he's STILL been the main part of the climax of every arc.

[nite_jay]

He lost to Beerus (twice) and he lost to Hit, he only killed Freeza with Whis's help

But he's STILL been the main part of the climax of every arc.

Hasn't that been the case for just about every arc in Dragonball?

[LightBing]

He lost to Beerus (twice) and he lost to Hit, he only killed Freeza with Whis's help

But he's STILL been the main part of the climax of every arc.

Hasn't that been the case for just about every arc in Dragonball?

Yup. This arc very much resembles Dragon Ball post 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. Goku is only featured heavily at the end of the fight's, being reduced to training or less for the rest of the arc.
Which also happened in the RoF arc, with Vegeta sharing the role.

I don't understand the fetish of killing the main villain. It's certainly impactfull, still it isn't even close to the whole story.

Besides the fight with Zamasu and with Black, Goku did nothing. He's dependent on Bulma to actually defeat Black, dependent on Beerus and Whis to investigate Black's origin's.
He's literally useless at this point.