Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[BlackCatScott]

I don't know if this has been said yet, but what were Julians thoughts on the movie itself? Did he enjoy it more than Battle of Gods?

I thought BoG was fantastic, and I remember that receiving a lot of hate from fans online. If Resurrection F is even equally as good, I'll be delighted.

Both he and Kei17 said it was fun and entertaining. Kei17 did say he preffered BoG though. At any rate fun and entertaining was what I was hoping for. Now please MangaUK hurry up!

That's all I ever expected, and I'm pleased to hear that, as well as pleased to hear there's going to be plenty of action.

That's the main thing that's stopping me from reading the full summary though, the hope that Manga UK are going to announce something. Info wise I've heard this and that from lurking around this thread and on reddit, but if Manga were to announce a cinematic release I'm sure I'd be able to contain myself until then!

It's just not fair if America get a cinematic release and we get nothing!

[sintzu]

One question though: is it really North City and not East City that Freeza permanently destroys?
There seems to have been a bit of confusion on the subject, when the 2nd chapter came out and it was initially said to be North City, but then Herms corrected it to East City, but now it really is North City as stated in your summary?

Another change made in the chapter is Shenron only granting 1 wish while in the movie he grants 2.

[dbgtFO]

One question though: is it really North City and not East City that Freeza permanently destroys?
There seems to have been a bit of confusion on the subject, when the 2nd chapter came out and it was initially said to be North City, but then Herms corrected it to East City, but now it really is North City as stated in your summary?

Another change made in the chapter is Shenron only granting 1 wish while in the movie he grants 2.

I don't think the manga got the cities mixed up. Rather it was the initial fan translation, that confused itself.
Also I'm a bit wrong here.. It doesn't seem like Herms corrected it to East City, but rather translated a summary on a japanese site, that confusingly stated Freeza showed up on the outskirts of North City, but blew up East City.
It would seem that it was always North City and East City was just a mistake by the guy who summarised the chapter.

I'm not too surprised the manga would skip over unimportant details like that.

[kei17]

OK Goku says he doesn't need to go Super Saiyan but goes even in a more overpowered god Super Saiyan mode later on?

Lol. Thats AT logic right there.

Goku says he doesn't need to go Super Saiyan because Freeza is still in his final form that we saw in the original series, but later they both sense that the opponent is hiding something more, then they agree not to hold back any longer and Goku shows his new form first. What is the "AT logic" that's funny here? I guess you're just treating Toriyama with contempt on the basis of your misconception.

This kind of careless disrespect for Toriyama really annoys me these days.

[Duo]

There's such a bloated sense of entitlement coming from a few users here. It makes it difficult to want to weigh in. Anybody around actually see the movie besides Kei and Julian?

For those of you livid about Gohan, there are always multiple possible explanations. Maybe he needs to transform to access his ultimate powers now? Whatever. Such things are a rather minor detail and should not color your judgement of the story completely on its own.

[MasterVampire]

Hey wait if Goku almost died because of that sneak attack but recovered from the senzu bean doesnt that mean he should have gotten a Zenkai?

[SansrivaaL]

OK Goku says he doesn't need to go Super Saiyan but goes even in a more overpowered god Super Saiyan mode later on?

Lol. Thats AT logic right there.

Goku says he doesn't need to go Super Saiyan because Freeza is still in his final form that we saw in the original series, but later they both sense that the opponent is hiding something more, then they agree not to hold back any longer and Goku shows his new form first. What is the "AT logic" that's funny here? I guess you're just treating Toriyama with contempt on the basis of your misconception.

This kind of careless disrespect for Toriyama really annoys me these days.

Everyone's becoming very negative towards the film and AT, kinda makes me wonder if this really is a DB-FAN forum or an ANTI-DB FAN forum.

Hey wait if Goku almost died because of that sneak attack but recovered from the senzu bean doesnt that mean he should have gotten a Zenkai?

Yeah he did, he almost died, actually he would have died if it wasnt for the bean, but I hear the zenkai boost isnt that noticeable anymore but still...

[Hugo Boss]

Hey wait if Goku almost died because of that sneak attack but recovered from the senzu bean doesnt that mean he should have gotten a Zenkai?

This is an in-universe question. I believe the gains at this point would be so minimal that they shouldn't be worth noting.

[Low Tone G]

Blue Super Saiyan with God power issue...

I don't really see the point to change Goku's SSJ hair colour when it was obvious that he still transformed into a SSJ in B.o.G. too, still with no changes and was able to use all his Saiyan God power in it. Now Toriyama changed his colour just to point out that Goku is still a God? I think that was completely useless to do so. Does that mean that Base Goku(with his obvious God powers) is significantly weaker than his Blue Super Saiyan self? There is still a 50x(or 10x in Toriyama's view) multiplier? Does that contradict his statement in an interview that Goku's Base form and SSJ are the best forms and to train them? If that's true then Base Goku in B.o.G. wasn't as strong that he looked like? Or Super Saiyan Goku from B.O.G wasn't using his full power even if it was very needed to do so if hair didn't go blue then? Too many questions... In my view his blue version is not only very ugly(I must puke whenever I have it in mind) but completely useless and contradicts that B.o.G.'s facts.

[CashmanX]

Kei, regarding pacing issues, do you think an extended cut of the film will help any? Maybe an extra 20 minutes like BoG had in order to add more story development?

[bubibartra]

Weather you agree on how it was done is up to you but the fact is : Vegeta defeated Freeza and made him kneel before his greatness.

Greatness of pussing out once Freeza proved to be strong, and like a coward said Goku can fight instead. Greatness of only fighting once Goku did all the work of weakening Freeza to the point he can't even defend himself. Greatness that still fucks up with such a huge advantage over Freeza. That kind of greatness is the equivalent of someone kicking the shit out of a UFC star after he was mugged, shot, and stabbed repeatedly. In the end that person looks like a fool if they think their hot shit by beating up a wounded foe.

If any other character did this, I doubt you'd call it greatness. It's pathetic. Where the hell was saiyan pride on this one? I didn't know saiyan pride was "Cower to stronger foes" "Fight only when stronger foe is greatly softened up for you" If Vegeta was such a badass he would have taken up Goku's offer and fought Golden Freeza at full power. But no he cowered and let Goku do it. If he was such a badass, he wouldn't feel so good kicking the crap out of a wounded foe. What's saiyan pride if you beat your enemy when they're not at their best?

vegeta is good in this movie. He has managed to have the same power and transformation Goku. Vegeta saves Goku of Sorbet´s rings, Goiku beat for a ring is also ... and Goku saves Vegeta, but the lesson is: both need learn to fight together

The problem is Gohan, is terrible. Gohan downed by freezer fourth form? Twice dead?
that he had been playing with Goten and Trunks at PSX....

but a question...

Because the Gohan´s fans hate vegeta ?
It is something that happens in forum Spanish, French, American ... I like Goku and vegeta but I really liked kid Gohan, but Toriyama shredding the character, Toriyama NOT Vegeta

[vegitot]

+ Goku gets hurt from Sorbet's beam? Now we can compare this to that Goku SSJ4 got hurt by glass One stupid thing

Whis: “You’re always too tense, so you can’t move at full speed when it really counts. Resting when you need to relax is important too. Like Goku does.”
Goku: “Haha, he’s right Vegeta.”
Whis: “But on the other hand…”

He catches Goku off-guard and hits him in the side

Goku: “Guh!!! Kahaaaa…!! Ow! What’d ya’ do that for…?!”
Whis: “Getting too relaxed is also a problem. Another problem is how you overestimate yourself. No matter how strong you may be, your body is weak if you let down your guard. It’s common to see people caught off guard when they’re overconfident.”

Let's look back what happened in the past
Radizt lets Piccolo fire a ki blast into him and
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q664rulKGAc/U ... mgmax=3000
Vegeta fires Recoome with his full power and

Spoiler:

Goku lets Frieza hit him directly with his death beam and

Spoiler:

....
Now the question: Is Goku now too weak that he can't take a weak ki blast when he doesn't defend? Or the plot sucks?

[SansrivaaL]

+ Goku gets hurt from Sorbet's beam? Now we can compare this to that Goku SSJ4 got hurt by glass One stupid thing

Whis: “You’re always too tense, so you can’t move at full speed when it really counts. Resting when you need to relax is important too. Like Goku does.”
Goku: “Haha, he’s right Vegeta.”
Whis: “But on the other hand…”

He catches Goku off-guard and hits him in the side

Goku: “Guh!!! Kahaaaa…!! Ow! What’d ya’ do that for…?!”
Whis: “Getting too relaxed is also a problem. Another problem is how you overestimate yourself. No matter how strong you may be, your body is weak if you let down your guard. It’s common to see people caught off guard when they’re overconfident.”

Let's look back what happened in the past
Radizt lets Piccolo fire a ki blast into him and
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q664rulKGAc/U ... mgmax=3000
Vegeta fires Recoome with his full power and
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-B_8VeIpJy3c/U ... mgmax=3000
Goku lets Freeza hit him directly with his death beam and
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KESxspkBha4/U ... mgmax=3000
....
Now the question: Is Goku now too weak that he can't take a weak ki blast when he doesn't defend? Or the plot sucks?

If the ring was the actual blast that pierced through Goku and not Sorbet's own ki blast I beg to differ. It seems that ring has something more than meets the eye.

[Bullza]

Well I have mixed thoughts on it.

The movie seems kinda standard, it doesn't really seem to add much. The story seems very weak just like Battle of Gods.

Shisami beating on Piccolo even after they said he was as strong as Zarbon....huh?

Frieza seems disappointing, I was hoping he'd be a legitimate threat but from the sound of it aside from the even fight with Goku after he just turned Golden he's practically just a punk.

Frieza's training isn't explained? Blue SSJ God was introduced just for the sake of it too.

The Z Fighters trying not to kill Frieza's men makes no real sense but at least explains why they aren't one shotted.

At least Pilaf is barely in it and there seems to be less goofy comedy.

The people on here I'm sure could probably come up with something much better. It sounds a little disappointing to read but probably visually and with all the action I'm sure I'll probably still like it.

[rereboy]

You mean this result :

What follows is a one-sided beating from Vegeta in which Freeza is humiliated even further, to the point that he even loses his much-vaunted “Golden” form. Back in his fourth form, he pounds against the ground in despair.

What we've been hyping up has happened,Freeza on his knees defeated with Vegeta standing over him like a king.

Vegeta was as strong as Goku and stronger than Freeza and he still managed to lose/tie, since Freeza successfully destroyed Earth and would have killed Bulma and Trunks, if not for Whis. Not to mention that it was made clear that Vegeta refused to work with Goku even for the sake of his family due to his arrogance.

Vegeta's power looked good. But pretty much nothing else did.

[kei17]

Goku lets Freeza hit him directly with his death beam and

Spoiler:

....
Now the question: Is Goku now too weak that he can't take a weak ki blast when he doesn't defend? Or the plot sucks?

In that scene, Goku is hit directly, but there's nothing proves his body is relaxed. Creating a barrier or flicking off the blast isn't the only way to defend.

[rereboy]

What was up with #18, btw? Instead of saying that Krillin was cool, it would be far more helpful if she went to help him. She is stronger, after all... No logic there.

[shinmaru]

After reading the summary. I understand what Kei means with it's not very interesting, looks like the movie was not set to be serious. Freeza was just a test subject for Goku and Bejita and got humiliated by them. I hope we get something better and more serious next time. Maybe Freeza was just the first villain where Goku and Bejita can test their powers. Anyway. I´m still positive we got something, Thx Kanzenshuu for the translation.

[bubibartra]

You mean this result :

What follows is a one-sided beating from Vegeta in which Freeza is humiliated even further, to the point that he even loses his much-vaunted “Golden” form. Back in his fourth form, he pounds against the ground in despair.

What we've been hyping up has happened,Freeza on his knees defeated with Vegeta standing over him like a king.

Vegeta was as strong as Goku and stronger than Freeza and he still managed to lose/tie, since Freeza successfully destroyed Earth and would have killed Bulma and Trunks, if not for Whis. Not to mention that it was made clear that Vegeta refused to work with Goku even for the sake of his family due to his arrogance.

Vegeta's power looked good. But pretty much nothing else did.

Goku was too merciful and vegeta was too arrogant

Both need more lessons of Whiss...

[vegitot]

Goku lets Freeza hit him directly with his death beam and

Spoiler:

....
Now the question: Is Goku now too weak that he can't take a weak ki blast when he doesn't defend? Or the plot sucks?

In that scene, Goku is hit directly, but there's nothing proves his body is relaxed. Creating a barrier or flicking off the blast isn't the only way to defend.

Maybe
Krillin hits Cell with his full force,Cell doesn't care and

Spoiler:

Goku againsts Tao Pai Pai

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