"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[LightBing]

I doubt Super Saiyan Rose is another version of Super Saiyan God because it should logically have base hairstyle instead of SSJ.

Super Saiyan Rose is probably just normal SSJ for Black. I just can't see him having God Ki unless he is Zamasu himself.

I agree. It would be the natural progression after Black "absorbed" Goku's SSJ feel. Since then Black barely appeared, maybe he's quietly evolving and will surprise everyone with this power up.

[ArchedThunder]

I doubt Super Saiyan Rose is another version of Super Saiyan God because it should logically have base hairstyle instead of SSJ.

Super Saiyan Rose is probably just normal SSJ for Black. I just can't see him having God Ki unless he is Zamasu himself.

I agree. It would be the natural progression after Black "absorbed" Goku's SSJ feel. Since then Black barely appeared, maybe he's quietly evolving and will surprise everyone with this power up.

If this is the case I wonder what will happen after he fights Blue Goku.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Oh yea, cause that would make a lot of sense, Goku after the Android Arc was in the Other World for almost a decade and his peak was reaching Super Saiyan 3, and then Mirai Goku maybe after two decades of training would be enough of time for him to reach a level of power beyond Super Saiyan God... Alone? But then I remember this is the series that implies that Trunks might be stronger than Gotenks, so yeah your theory could be right!

Future Goku has been in the AfterLife for over 30 years with Kaio and it is very likely that he met Beerus & Whis and became a Super Saiyan God in this timeline too, since both the Oracle Fish & Beerus had the prophetic dream before the timeline split. Gohan is the only Saiyan to help him for the ritual, but since he is in Heaven it is possible that he may had found four more righteous Saiyans there. And don't forget that he is nearly 20 years ahead from our Goku. So, it wouldn't be surprising if Future Goku had surpassed our Goku & even Super Saiyan Blue.

[TekTheNinja]

He lost to Beerus (twice) and he lost to Hit, he only killed Freeza with Whis's help

But he's STILL been the main part of the climax of every arc.

Hasn't that been the case for just about every arc in Dragonball?

Well no because Cell arc, but let me rephrase that.

He's still been the main part for the ENTIRE arcs we've finished thus far, and is now a completely unlikable character, thus making people like me want to see some variety. Tenshinhan hasn't even had a cool moment in Super yet. He ALWAYS gets one cool moment.

[FortuneSSJ]

It'a now that FT Trunks came back that I'm realizing all the crazy stuff that happened after he depart:
- Goku is alive.
- Goku fought and befriended the God of Destruction.
- Gohan is a nerd and got his own family.
- Krillin banged C18.
- Super Saiyan 3.
- Super Saiyan Blue.
- 12 Universes.

And he still doesn't know about Majin Buu, Goten, Fusion, Super Dragon Balls and Zeno. Whoaa

Tenshinhan hasn't even had a cool moment in Super yet. He ALWAYS gets one cool moment.

Not always, he didn't even spoke in GT. Characters like him, Chaozu and Yamcha only got cameos there.
And in Super, he beat some Freeza's soldiers. That's all he can do right now with his power level.

[Grimlock]

He also doesn't know about the 12 Universes, Tights, and Tarble.

[FortuneSSJ]

He also doesn't know about the 12 Universes, Tights, and Tarble.

He knows that Goku went to Universe 10, so I guess they already told him about the 12 universes off-screen.
I forgot about the other two, even though Tarble was never mentioned in BOG arc.

[Chiki]

What´s inherently bad about a transformation to be based around pink? What difference make it being hyped or not?

We do? What exactly do we know? And how does that make a pinkish hue inappropriate?

It's not inherently bad since it would be great on girls or a Saiyan like Doflamingo or whatever. It's just bad on a character like Black who is not effeminate or flamboyant or childlike in the slightest. It doesn't fit his character.

Calling the character "Goku Black" then giving him a transformation with the opposite hair color in white would have just been weird to me.

That establishes a nice contrast and I see nothing wrong with that.

Doflamingo is effeminate? That's news to me. Did you mean "flamboyant"?

Super Buu was also far less childlike than fat Buu and far more focused on pure destruction, and nobody ever had any problems with his color scheme.

I thought being flamboyant necessarily implies that you're effeminate since it's unmanly, but then I looked at a dictionary and being flamboyant is apparently just to be confident and stylish, which isn't what I thought flamboyant meant, but whatever.

Black is pretty effeminate and delicate though.

What fanfic are you reading? Certainly not the case in the anime or the manga.

'm a little confused about what the characters personalities have to do with the color of the transformation. As far as I'm aware of, that has never been a factor or everyones SSJ transformation would be a different color.

I'm also not really sure why the character has to be effeminate to have pink on them. Do we have similar requirements for the other colors? Does the character have to be masculine for blue?
Because if so Whis is the wrong color.

Light blue is not a masculine color (it's more of a neutral color) so it's fine for Whis. Pink would go perfectly well on Whis due to his personality.

I just think it looks awkward and doesn't match. It would be like making Vegeta transform into a Super Saiyan Strawberry with his RoF outfit.

Super Saiyan Rose is probably just normal SSJ for Black. I just can't see him having God Ki unless he is Zamasu himself.

That's impossible since Black and Zamasu have the same ki, so if Zamasu has god ki then Black must also have god ki, from pure logic. The only difference is that Zamasu's ki isn't as evil.

[Boo Machine]

I'm a little confused about what the characters personalities have to do with the color of the transformation. As far as I'm aware of, that has never been a factor or everyones SSJ transformation would be a different color.

I'm also not really sure why the character has to be effeminate to have pink on them. Do we have similar requirements for the other colors? Does the character have to be masculine for blue?
Because if so Whis is the wrong color.

Light blue is not a masculine color (it's more of a neutral color) so it's fine for Whis. Pink would go perfectly well on Whis due to his personality.

I just think it looks awkward and doesn't match. It would be like making Vegeta transform into a Super Saiyan Strawberry with his RoF outfit.

I tried imagining Whis wearing pink or having pink skin. It might be that I'm to used to his current look, but I think pink would look awful on Whis regardless of how effeminate he is.

I think pink on Vegeta wearing the ROF outfit would look decent. It's the current outfit he is wearing (the cell arc one) that would look bad. Heck his Blue hair doesn't look that great in his Cell arc outfit.

I'm wondering if it's just the outfits.

Edit: Or perhaps a certain shade of pink could sway certain views? Like, is there a shade of pink that you feel might look decent on Black?

[Chiki]

I'm a little confused about what the characters personalities have to do with the color of the transformation. As far as I'm aware of, that has never been a factor or everyones SSJ transformation would be a different color.

I'm also not really sure why the character has to be effeminate to have pink on them. Do we have similar requirements for the other colors? Does the character have to be masculine for blue?
Because if so Whis is the wrong color.

Light blue is not a masculine color (it's more of a neutral color) so it's fine for Whis. Pink would go perfectly well on Whis due to his personality.

I just think it looks awkward and doesn't match. It would be like making Vegeta transform into a Super Saiyan Strawberry with his RoF outfit.

I tried imagining Whis wearing pink or having pink skin. It might be that I'm to used to his current look, but I think pink would look awful on Whis regardless of how effeminate he is.

I think pink on Vegeta wearing the ROF outfit would look decent. It's the current outfit he is wearing (the cell arc one) that would look bad. Heck his Blue hair doesn't look that great in his Cell arc outfit.

I'm wondering if it's just the outfits.

Edit: Or perhaps a certain shade of pink could sway certain views? Like, is there a shade of pink that you feel might look decent on Black?

I think the only reason you think Whis would look bad with pink skin is probably because you're used to him having blue skin. A light pink color would look fine on him imo.

I think every shade of pink would look terrible on Black because 1. all shades of pink are feminine (though some less so) and 2. it looks horrific on his outfit. Absolutely horrific. I can't think of a worse color for his outfit than pink.

[Avok]

Boros from OPM has pink hair and even turns into a pink-skinned monster, and he's far from femenine.
My problem with the pink is that, just like the blue version, the hair stands out too much and it looks candy-like, unnatural.

If Black had some sort of crazy monster-transformation with pitch black skin (or even blue, or green) and pink hair it would look amazing. But with his outfit and his skin pink is just too much.

[Chiki]

Boros from OPM has pink hair and even turns into a pink-skinned monster, and he's far from femenine.
My problem with the pink is that, just like the blue version, the hair stands out too much and it looks candy-like, unnatural.

If Black had some sort of crazy monster-transformation with pitch black skin (or even blue, or green) and pink hair it would look amazing. But with his outfit and his skin pink is just too much.

It's mainly that the SS transformation emphasizes the hair and aura so much, with Boros I didn't even notice he had pink hair. But of course I'm going to notice a pink SS transformation.

And the name is horrific, like he's Tuxedo Mask from Sailor Moon or something. Super Saiyan Rose? Named after a flower? What the fuck? Might as well name Super Saiyan Blue Super Saiyan Bubblegum or something. Super Saiyan Periwinkle sounds good too, or Super Saiyan Fairy.

[Boo Machine]

Light blue is not a masculine color (it's more of a neutral color) so it's fine for Whis. Pink would go perfectly well on Whis due to his personality.

I just think it looks awkward and doesn't match. It would be like making Vegeta transform into a Super Saiyan Strawberry with his RoF outfit.

I tried imagining Whis wearing pink or having pink skin. It might be that I'm to used to his current look, but I think pink would look awful on Whis regardless of how effeminate he is.

I think pink on Vegeta wearing the ROF outfit would look decent. It's the current outfit he is wearing (the cell arc one) that would look bad. Heck his Blue hair doesn't look that great in his Cell arc outfit.

I'm wondering if it's just the outfits.

Edit: Or perhaps a certain shade of pink could sway certain views? Like, is there a shade of pink that you feel might look decent on Black?

I think the only reason you think Whis would look bad with pink skin is probably because you're used to him having blue skin. A light pink color would look fine on him imo.

I think every shade of pink would look terrible on Black because 1. all shades of pink are feminine (though some less so) and 2. it looks horrific on his outfit. Absolutely horrific. I can't think of a worse color for his outfit than pink.

You might be right about Whis, but I can't say for certain because I can't experience the sweet taste of Whis for the first time again.

I'm the opposite. I think Pink and Black go very well together and can't think of anything that goes better with the outfit.

Oh well. Guess I'll just wait for the episode so I can have a better judgement of it.

[Anime Kitten]

This is ridiculous. You're literally just repeating the same thing over and over. Could you at least carry it over to the Super Saiyan Rose thread?

[kinisking]

I think the pink discussions are pointless at this point. No one who thinks it's fine is suddenly going to start hating it, and no one who hates it is showing signs of changing their minds.

[Xeztin]

Super Saiyan Rose is probably just normal SSJ for Black. I just can't see him having God Ki unless he is Zamasu himself.

I agree. It would be the natural progression after Black "absorbed" Goku's SSJ feel. Since then Black barely appeared, maybe he's quietly evolving and will surprise everyone with this power up.

If this is the case I wonder what will happen after he fights Blue Goku.

He's more than likely going to show his true appearance or at least ditch the body he is in. I think it was foreshadowed when he was talking about "this body" a few episodes back. Whichever he does he's going to probably be on par or stronger than Blue Goku. A third party like an accomplice or Zamasu/Gowasu could also interfere and fuse with him or make him stronger. Here's hoping he takes over Gohan, Kami knows he needs it.

[ArchedThunder]

I agree. It would be the natural progression after Black "absorbed" Goku's SSJ feel. Since then Black barely appeared, maybe he's quietly evolving and will surprise everyone with this power up.

If this is the case I wonder what will happen after he fights Blue Goku.

He's more than likely going to show his true appearance or at least ditch the body he is in. I think it was foreshadowed when he was talking about "this body" a few episodes back. Whichever he does he's going to probably be on par or stronger than Blue Goku. A third party like an accomplice or Zamasu/Gowasu could also interfere and fuse with him or make him stronger. Here's hoping he takes over Gohan, Kami knows he needs it.

Well with his base form being above SSJ2 and potentially equal to SSJ3 I don't think it's a stretch to say that Rose Black will be equal to or stronger than Blue Goku.

[dbzfan7]

The colour wars will never end XD. To sum it up I guess...

-I think SSJB looks fine with Goku's old outfit. Not a fan of any of the recolor forms and how uninspired they are, but it looks fine with his regular outfit.
-SSJB looks horrible on Vegeta though with his old outfit. When his aura is flaring I can get behind it a bit more, but when it's not the colours do not mix well at all for me. It's ugly.
-Blue hair looks fine on Trunks, but they really couldn't just say he changed his hair colour or something? Feels really pointless, but looks fine. Maybe they don't want him having the same colour as that lost cause Present Trunks.
-SSJ Pink I don't like the idea of, but I'll give it a chance to try and turn me around. Doesn't help it's got the form has a flowers name, and pink is not a colour that instills fear, nor really relates to it. At the moment it's just making me picture Black as a yandere. Maybe a good shade of pink will change my mind.

Also I swear SSJ2 is getting a lot more time lately to shine, just so they can try and make SSJB look different from Super Saiyan. It's clearly SSJ2 hairstyle they keep showing.

[Xeztin]

If this is the case I wonder what will happen after he fights Blue Goku.

He's more than likely going to show his true appearance or at least ditch the body he is in. I think it was foreshadowed when he was talking about "this body" a few episodes back. Whichever he does he's going to probably be on par or stronger than Blue Goku. A third party like an accomplice or Zamasu/Gowasu could also interfere and fuse with him or make him stronger. Here's hoping he takes over Gohan, Kami knows he needs it.

Well with his base form being above SSJ2 and potentially equal to SSJ3 I don't think it's a stretch to say that Rose Black will be equal to or stronger than Blue Goku.

I'd like that but I'm not sure, that'd mean SSJB is only 50x SSJ3 but power scales are upside down anyways

[ArchedThunder]

He's more than likely going to show his true appearance or at least ditch the body he is in. I think it was foreshadowed when he was talking about "this body" a few episodes back. Whichever he does he's going to probably be on par or stronger than Blue Goku. A third party like an accomplice or Zamasu/Gowasu could also interfere and fuse with him or make him stronger. Here's hoping he takes over Gohan, Kami knows he needs it.

Well with his base form being above SSJ2 and potentially equal to SSJ3 I don't think it's a stretch to say that Rose Black will be equal to or stronger than Blue Goku.

I'd like that but I'm not sure, that'd mean SSJB is only 50x SSJ3 but power scales are upside down anyways

Simple, just say that the form has an even bigger power boost than regular SSJ because of the nature of who he is.