Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:18 pm

JAPPO wrote:
Chuquita wrote:
JAPPO wrote: Um. Is it that hard to believe Piccolo can sense Saiyans? He's been around them before.

It's not that he can tell that Goku is a saiyajin, but its that he knows Goku's saiyajin name.

How would Piccolo know Goku's saiyajin name is Kakarrotto if he's been trapped long before Goku was even born?
Ah. Perhaps he was a friend of the family.

Lol.

I doubt the family cared.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:15 am

OMG, Bulma's "Special Power" according to the Tony Hawk cards is that she's a "brilliant scientist".

(Oh Ocean Dub, you and your parachutes. <3 )

I suppose listing Master Roshi's real weakness wouldn't make for a very family-friendly card.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:23 am

I don't see anyone discussing this in here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT5G2QxK1l4

My feelings are...Goku was INSANELY un-Goku like. But Kame-sennin's fighting style and general non caring fighting ways against someone weaker than him was actually fairly on key IMO. Like in his fight against Yamcha in the 21'st Budokai.

As far as complaining that I hear regarding Bulma not being hurt by the Kiai...That actually doesn't bother me. As far as this Movie goes, I think Goku is meant to be just learning Ki, so taking that into account plus the fact that all he fired was a Kiai. It's not hard to believe it wouldn't be very strong.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:03 am

Gozar wrote:My feelings are...Goku was INSANELY un-Goku like. But Kame-sennin's fighting style and general non caring fighting ways against someone weaker than him was actually fairly on key IMO. Like in his fight against Yamcha in the 21'st Budokai.

Why do people still expect Chatku to be Goku? The more you expect the same character the more you're going to be disappointed.

Jackal puFF · Post by **Jackal puFF** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:06 am

http://db-lam-protest.forumotion.com/

Wow lol

That's just ridiculous, like get a life haha.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:46 am

Innagadadavida wrote:Why do people still expect Chatku to be Goku? The more you expect the same character the more you're going to be disappointed.

I think it's because the movie's suppose to be based off Dragonball and he was the main character of said series. Have we muttered about this for the last hundred pages? Yeah. But it's the answer to the question.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:46 am

Innagadadavida wrote:
Gozar wrote:My feelings are...Goku was INSANELY un-Goku like. But Kame-sennin's fighting style and general non caring fighting ways against someone weaker than him was actually fairly on key IMO. Like in his fight against Yamcha in the 21'st Budokai.

Why do people still expect Chatku to be Goku? The more you expect the same character the more you're going to be disappointed.

Because he's the main character. He should at least be portrayed somewhat similar. These adaptions of things these days need to held to some kind of standard. I hate it when people say "It's an adaption, it won't be exactly the same"...So what? Does that mean that we should get the opposite?

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:54 am

Gozar wrote:Because he's the main character. He should at least be portrayed somewhat similar. These adaptions of things these days need to held to some kind of standard. I hate it when people say "It's an adaption, it won't be exactly the same"...So what? Does that mean that we should get the opposite?

It's not a defense. It's a fact. Dragon Ball Evolution's Goku is not the real Goku at all. Its pointless to expect him to get any closer to the real Goku, the movie is finished.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:56 am

Innagadadavida wrote:
Gozar wrote:Because he's the main character. He should at least be portrayed somewhat similar. These adaptions of things these days need to held to some kind of standard. I hate it when people say "It's an adaption, it won't be exactly the same"...So what? Does that mean that we should get the opposite?
It's not a defense. It's a fact. Dragon Ball Evolution's Goku is not the real Goku at all. Its pointless to expect him to get any closer to the real Goku, the movie is finished.

And so what? People are just supposed to keep quiet about the face of a franchise being turned into nothing but a stereotype? Sorry, but I don't operate that way.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:57 am

Gozar wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:
Gozar wrote:My feelings are...Goku was INSANELY un-Goku like. But Kame-sennin's fighting style and general non caring fighting ways against someone weaker than him was actually fairly on key IMO. Like in his fight against Yamcha in the 21'st Budokai.

Why do people still expect Chatku to be Goku? The more you expect the same character the more you're going to be disappointed.
Because he's the main character. He should at least be portrayed somewhat similar. These adaptions of things these days need to held to some kind of standard. I hate it when people say "It's an adaption, it won't be exactly the same"...So what? Does that mean that we should get the opposite?

I have to agree with Gozar and Velasa. You can't get more un-Goku-like than an angst-ridden, unpopular high school student who lets his sex drive take advantage of his better judgment and who desperately wants to fit in so badly he resorts to hair-care products.

They might well make Vegeta a moe-type character or alter Bardock's backstory so he really WAS a brilliant scientist.

They left the other main characters alone for the most part, I don't see why they had to mess up Goku.

Not even AB Groupe He-Goku and his "magic cloud" went this far.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:58 am

Chuquita wrote:They left the other main characters alone for the most part, I don't see why they had to mess up Goku.

Because it's Hollywood.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:03 am

Gozar wrote:
Chuquita wrote:They left the other main characters alone for the most part, I don't see why they had to mess up Goku.
Because it's Hollywood.

Stupid Hollywood.

They'll adapt Watchmen nearly spot on, but Son Goku's too edgy for them and needs to be emotionally scarred distilled down to a handful of cliches?!

The world is a strange place.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:04 am

Gozar wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:
Gozar wrote:Because he's the main character. He should at least be portrayed somewhat similar. These adaptions of things these days need to held to some kind of standard. I hate it when people say "It's an adaption, it won't be exactly the same"...So what? Does that mean that we should get the opposite?
It's not a defense. It's a fact. Dragon Ball Evolution's Goku is not the real Goku at all. Its pointless to expect him to get any closer to the real Goku, the movie is finished.
And so what? People are just supposed to keep quiet about the face of a franchise being turned into nothing but a stereotype? Sorry, but I don't operate that way.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I mean that it's common knowledge at this point. It should be an unspoken understanding that Chatwin couldn't get any farther than Goku as far as his character.

But since ya put it that way, I understand why you said it.

Chuquita wrote:Stupid Hollywood.

They'll adapt Watchmen nearly spot on, but Son Goku's too edgy for them and needs to be emotionally scarred distilled down to a handful of cliches?!

The world is a strange place.

Two different groups of companies/writers/sponsors.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:08 am

Innagadadavida wrote:
Gozar wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote: It's not a defense. It's a fact. Dragon Ball Evolution's Goku is not the real Goku at all. Its pointless to expect him to get any closer to the real Goku, the movie is finished.
And so what? People are just supposed to keep quiet about the face of a franchise being turned into nothing but a stereotype? Sorry, but I don't operate that way.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I mean that it's common knowledge at this point. It should be an unspoken understanding that Chatwin couldn't get any farther than Goku as far as his character.

But since ya put it that way, I understand why you said it.

Well, months ago when we just had news trickling in little by little people would still say "You can't judge it until you've seen it"...Now with the Junior Novels we have proof.

Now, is it just me or does no body really care anymore? Have all the months of discussing the same things that we know would ultimately be true burned us all out? With the Junior Novels out I expected people to start ripping into this more...But it seems like everyone's said what they had to say for the most part.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:22 am

Gozar wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:
Gozar wrote: And so what? People are just supposed to keep quiet about the face of a franchise being turned into nothing but a stereotype? Sorry, but I don't operate that way.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I mean that it's common knowledge at this point. It should be an unspoken understanding that Chatwin couldn't get any farther than Goku as far as his character.

But since ya put it that way, I understand why you said it.
Well, months ago when we just had news trickling in little by little people would still say "You can't judge it until you've seen it"...Now with the Junior Novels we have proof.

Now, is it just me or does no body really care anymore? Have all the months of discussing the same things that we know would ultimately be true burned us all out? With the Junior Novels out I expected people to start ripping into this more...But it seems like everyone's said what they had to say for the most part.

For me its partly burn-out, partly I-can't-let-it-get-to-me-ness.

I'm still following the thread/participating, because I don't want to remain in the dark about the news.

At this point I'm just sort of hoping this movie is a oneshot deal.
I mean, could you imagine the hullabaloo and rage that would fly across the internet if Vegeta was given the Chatku treatment?

I'm still betting that some people will leave the theater wondering where Vegeta was or thinking that if only Vegeta had been in the movie it would've been better; but with the direction they've taken Goku in I'm relieved Vegeta's remained untouched.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:22 am

Gozar wrote:Well, months ago when we just had news trickling in little by little people would still say "You can't judge it until you've seen it"...Now with the Junior Novels we have proof.

Now, is it just me or does no body really care anymore? Have all the months of discussing the same things that we know would ultimately be true burned us all out? With the Junior Novels out I expected people to start ripping into this more...But it seems like everyone's said what they had to say for the most part.

I think it's just a reluctant acceptance. Personally, yes, I would have done this movie SO much differently. But at this point, I'm willing to just accept it for what it is and what it could do for the franchise. If this movie sells well, we could get a resurgence in popularity, spawning more video games and other great things (based on the REAL dragon ball, not DBE).

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:24 am

Gozar wrote:Now, is it just me or does no body really care anymore? Have all the months of discussing the same things that we know would ultimately be true burned us all out?

Basically, we've come to a point where we're beating a dead horse. Those of us who had negative first impressions and feel we've been proven correct by what we've seen are pretty much done, and those who want to keep a positive mindset continue to support the film.

In my mind, it's the season sets all over again. People try and argue why something is bad, some agree and some are neutral while others basically sit and make whatever justification for the product that they can (widescreen was just "losing hair and feet," this film is "not supposed to be DragonBall, it's an adaptation"). The factions argue and eventually lose interest.

Personally, I'm hoping for (at best) a bad movie that's entertainingly bad. Like the 1994 version of Street Fighter, which seems to have a striking number of parallels to this film.

-Corey

P.S. - Every Piccolo dollar will be worth five zeni. That is the exchange rate that the Bank of West City will set, once I kidnap King Dog.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:28 am

Chuquita wrote:At this point I'm just sort of hoping this movie is a oneshot deal.
I mean, could you imagine the hullabaloo and rage that would fly across the internet if Vegeta was given the Chatku treatment?

I'm still betting that some people will leave the theater wondering where Vegeta was or thinking that if only Vegeta had been in the movie it would've been better; but with the direction they've taken Goku in I'm relieved Vegeta's remained untouched.

I know how you feel. As a Trunks fan I'm just glad he'll likely never get adapted. I can see it now...Sasuke with a sword.

Innagadadavida wrote:If this movie sells well, we could get a resurgence in popularity, spawning more video games and other great things (based on the REAL dragon ball, not DBE).

True. A few weeks ago I was saying that we really don't have anything to gain with this Movie. But with DB Kai now coming out, we could have better chances of Funimation picking it up.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:48 am

Gozar wrote:
Chuquita wrote:At this point I'm just sort of hoping this movie is a oneshot deal.
I mean, could you imagine the hullabaloo and rage that would fly across the internet if Vegeta was given the Chatku treatment?

I'm still betting that some people will leave the theater wondering where Vegeta was or thinking that if only Vegeta had been in the movie it would've been better; but with the direction they've taken Goku in I'm relieved Vegeta's remained untouched.
I know how you feel. As a Trunks fan I'm just glad he'll likely never get adapted. I can see it now...It's Sasuke with a sword.

Innagadadavida wrote:If this movie sells well, we could get a resurgence in popularity, spawning more video games and other great things (based on the REAL dragon ball, not DBE).
True. A few weeks ago I was saying that we really don't have anything to gain with this Movie. But with DB Kai now coming out, we could have better chances of Funimation picking it up.

You are so SO lucky your favorite character is so far away and safe from this...experience. If somehow this movie does get its trilogy, I have a feeling it'll end with Freeza VS Super Saiyajin Goku.

I can already see it with Chatku, he's Naruto with brown hair.

We are getting Kai, and we got Ossu back in November. (STILL waiting on that "Orange Hero" ED by the way). And they're both good things.

But dear goodness, could you imagine an animated spin-off of this movie?! I mean, they made ones for Transformers and Spiderman.

*Imagination thinks up several nightmarish scenarios*. o_____o;;;;

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:51 am

Chuquita wrote:You are so SO lucky your favorite character is so far away and safe from this...experience. If somehow this movie does get its trilogy, I have a feeling it'll end with Freeza VS Super Saiyajin Goku.

Seems logical. They already mentioned Planet Vegeta in the first Movie, so the sequel will likely be Vegeta. Then with the 2'nd Sequel, Freeza.

But dear goodness, could you imagine an animated spin-off of this movie?! I mean, they made ones for Transformers and Spiderman.

*Shudders*...Funny thing is, we'd all watch it anyway and complain.