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Whis fixed that little mistake so it's not a thing anymore,the movie ended with Vegeta defeating Freeza and Goku killing him.TheGmGoken wrote:Freeza killed Vegeta. He blew up the Earth causing Vegeta to die due to lack of energy.
Sorry english is hard for me but... Saibeiman exploit Yamcha, only YamchaKamiccolo9 wrote:
And way to attack me instead of my argument. That's a great way of making a point.
Lord Frieza wrote:Oh God the Vegeta fans have been infected with Broly Disease!
Another brilliant observation. I wouldn't say it's that bad yet, but if more people are doing this around the web, then yeah Vegeta is the next Broly.
It's the exact same as the Saibaiman fight scaled up. The exact same concept. A fighter dominates the fight, thinks he's won, and the enemy pulls an attack out of nowhere and kills him.bubibartra wrote:Sorry english is hard for me but... Saibeiman exploit Yamcha, only YamchaKamiccolo9 wrote:
And way to attack me instead of my argument. That's a great way of making a point.
Frerezer exploit the planet not exploit Vegeta
Freezer trying to do something like that Cell in Cell Games no Saibaman
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
What? didnt Vegeta die? how the heck did he win? did I miss somethin?sintzu wrote:Whis fixed that little mistake so it's not a thing anymore,the movie ended with Vegeta defeating Freeza and Goku killing him.TheGmGoken wrote:Freeza killed Vegeta. He blew up the Earth causing Vegeta to die due to lack of energy.
No matter how you look at it the end result will always be the same which is what I've been saying since the movie was announced.
Who's debating the end of movie? I'm saying that Vegeta was scared of Freeza, failed to kill him, and got Earth destroyed. Goku, Bulma, Beerus, and Whis know Earth was destroyed. So it's in the record books. Vegeta failed. Lucky Whis was there to fix his failure.sintzu wrote:Whis fixed that little mistake so it's not a thing anymore,the movie ended with Vegeta defeating Freeza and Goku killing him.TheGmGoken wrote:Freeza killed Vegeta. He blew up the Earth causing Vegeta to die due to lack of energy.
No matter how you look at it the end result will always be the same which is what I've been saying since the movie was announced.
Gohan is not badass. Never was. Never will be.blow himself up along with everybody. Only Freeza did it better. Does everybody view Gohan as not having been badass because of all that? Or is it OK because Gohan still gets the final blow later? A final blow that he only really gets because Vegeta distracts Cell...
Don't say that man, because they'll harass you saying that Vegeta is held to a double standard. Yet the parallels between the two situations is scarily similar, the only difference is that this movie was probably written with Goku to get the final blow in mind, so they created that do-over time travel event so that he could be the one to finish him. But alas, can't convince the haters.Duo wrote:This Vegeta situation is somewhat humorous if you take into account that Gohan went through something pretty similar during the Cell Game. He finally obtains the power and opportunity to be the hero, and attempts to blow himself up along with everybody. Only Freeza did it better. Does everybody view Gohan as not having been badass because of all that? Or is it OK because Gohan still gets the final blow later? A final blow that he only really gets because Vegeta distracts Cell...
They can twist it all they want but they will never get to the result they want and that's Vegeta not defeating a main villain.Sparko33 wrote:They find some way to twist it into something negative.
No, "Gohan being an idiot for not ending the fight when he could have" is generally the most popular viewpoint around here. I doubt you'll find many people defending Gohan's actions as Super Saiyan 2.Sparko33 wrote:Don't say that man, because they'll harass you saying that Vegeta is held to a double standard. Yet the parallels between the two situations is scarily similar, the only difference is that this movie was probably written with Goku to get the final blow in mind, so they created that do-over time travel event so that he could be the one to finish him. But alas, can't convince the haters.Duo wrote:This Vegeta situation is somewhat humorous if you take into account that Gohan went through something pretty similar during the Cell Game. He finally obtains the power and opportunity to be the hero, and attempts to blow himself up along with everybody. Only Freeza did it better. Does everybody view Gohan as not having been badass because of all that? Or is it OK because Gohan still gets the final blow later? A final blow that he only really gets because Vegeta distracts Cell...
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
Winning apparently only means beating up your foe. So if I beat the shit out of you and you kill me, that means I won.SansrivaaL wrote:What? didnt Vegeta die? how the heck did he win? did I miss somethin?sintzu wrote:Whis fixed that little mistake so it's not a thing anymore,the movie ended with Vegeta defeating Freeza and Goku killing him.TheGmGoken wrote:Freeza killed Vegeta. He blew up the Earth causing Vegeta to die due to lack of energy.
No matter how you look at it the end result will always be the same which is what I've been saying since the movie was announced.
The reason was the new transformation changed his personality to be more psychotic and Saiyan like, but that's not the point. Excuses or not I can't deny he totally fucked up by getting a big ego which cost him his dad.Kamiccolo9 wrote:No, "Gohan being an idiot for not ending the fight when he could have" is generally the most popular viewpoint around here. I doubt you'll find many people defending Gohan's actions as Super Saiyan 2.
Whis went back in time to before Freeza blew up the earth which was after Vegeta defeated him so no he didn't thanks to Whis.SansrivaaL wrote:What? didnt Vegeta die? how the heck did he win? did I miss somethin?
TheGmGoken wrote:Freeza killed Vegeta. He blew up the Earth causing Vegeta to die due to lack of energy. If I throw someone to the deep side of the pool. Cover the pool up and they drown. They died due to lack of air and drowning. But I killed him.sintzu wrote:Vegeta was killed by the lack of air while Yamcha was killed by his opponent.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Yamcha did the exact same thing to the Saibaiman in the Saiyan Arc, with the exact same result as Vegeta vs Freeza here.
Not sure who the 3 are. But Kamicollo is using the summary to explain Vegeta role. Nothing wrong with that.Its like talking to a brick wall with you three.
No one likes to talk about this.Duo wrote:This Vegeta situation is somewhat humorous if you take into account that Gohan went through something pretty similar during the Cell Game. He finally obtains the power and opportunity to be the hero, and attempts to blow himself up along with everybody. Only Freeza did it better. Does everybody view Gohan as not having been badass because of all that? Or is it OK because Gohan still gets the final blow later? A final blow that he only really gets because Vegeta distracts Cell...
No one's ignoring the rest of the summary. The problem is that the rest of the summary doesn't make him look any better.bubibartra wrote:
Use only a part of the summary ignoring the rest.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
It sounds to me like Toriyama-sensei was attempting to have his cake and eat it too. That is to say, both Goku & Vegeta fail and have to learn a lesson about combat strategy. By default, Goku had to be the one to suffer less consequences (dying again) because he's the established head character of the franchise. Heck, even when Gohan had his "big moment", Goku had to talk him into even trying. Maybe Vegeta's moment was devalued a bit, but he's still sitting in a much nicer boat than anybody else in the supporting cast.Don't say that man, because they'll harass you saying that Vegeta is held to a double standard. Yet the parallels between the two situations is scarily similar, the only difference is that this movie was probably written with Goku to get the final blow in mind, so they created that do-over time travel event so that he could be the one to finish him. But alas, can't convince the haters.
Whis rewound the clock to before the planet blew up so the movie ended with Vegeta defeating Freeza and Goku killing him.GeeRod wrote:Goku killed him. How is that a Vegeta win?
That's an opinion not fact. Generally accepted opinion is Goten is annoying Goku copy. But I love him still and disagree to it.Duo wrote:lly accepted opinion that Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, during the Cell Game, was badass.
Sparko33 wrote:Don't say that man, because they'll harass you saying that Vegeta is held to a double standard. Yet the parallels between the two situations is scarily similar, the only difference is that this movie was probably written with Goku to get the final blow in mind, so they created that do-over time travel event so that he could be the one to finish him. But alas, can't convince the haters.Duo wrote:This Vegeta situation is somewhat humorous if you take into account that Gohan went through something pretty similar during the Cell Game. He finally obtains the power and opportunity to be the hero, and attempts to blow himself up along with everybody. Only Freeza did it better. Does everybody view Gohan as not having been badass because of all that? Or is it OK because Gohan still gets the final blow later? A final blow that he only really gets because Vegeta distracts Cell...
First one: Yes because Nappa was already beatenWhis rewound the clock to before the planet blew up so the movie ended with Vegeta defeating Freeza and Goku killing him.
Vegeta killed Nappa so does that mean it isn't a Goku win ?
Vegeta killed recoom and burter so does that mean those weren't Goku wins ?
Vegeta defeated who? didnt Frieza blow up the earth that resulted in Vegeta's death? guess it would have been better then if Whis didnt revert back time, then Vegeta could have won and at the same time dead while Frieza lost but he still lives... dang u Whis why u revert back time to save Vegeta, he could have won! I feel like there is something very wrong with what I just said.....sintzu wrote:Whis went back in time to before Freeza blew up the earth which was after Vegeta defeated him so no he didn't thanks to Whis.SansrivaaL wrote:What? didnt Vegeta die? how the heck did he win? did I miss somethin?
