"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Luso Saiyan]

I thought you would comment. All you post is stuff to do with fact and opinion and it seems like you don't want anyone to discuss anything.

You're not discussing. You're using a fallacy.

[dbs fanboy]

It is all about Goku but all the destructuon seems to be happening in Future Trunks' timeline.

No it's not, maybe the next episodes will be "Goku focused" as he's going to fight, but this arc is mostly about Black Goku and the mistery around him, Zamasu and Trunks.

Goku is neither having a lot of development (something that i honestly hate as Goku needs that) or moving the plot that much (except for maybe ep 53).
Black appeared in the main timeline thanks to Trunks, they are going to travel to the future thanks to Bulma and they know about the time rings and etc thanks to Whis.

As i said before, i understand your frustation with the episodes titles but not with the others, as so far this was more the "Future Trunks show" than the "Goku Show".

[Noah]

Trunks' voice actor says Kid Trunks grows as a character this arc.

Mais' VA says she has a big role... unless screen time equates to a big role.

Yea, the same way Freeza's VA said in RoF: "Freeza lost the battle, but won the war" and was not like that at all, I advise you to not to take seriously VA's statements, they tend to be full of bullshit to promote the show.

Seems pretty obvious that Goku will lose or Black will flee, since the whole Zamasu sub-plot isn't done yet.

Yes, why people are thinking that Goku vs Black is indeed the final battle? Anyway, why the f*** Vegeta is letting Goku fighting against Black again? I mean, isn't he who wants to avenge Trunks? It looks like will have to wait longer for that.

The additional summary for 55 gives us a little bit that the earlier one didn't, though. Apparently the Omni-king just wanted a friend and to have Gokuu come play with him

Oh god, the lord of the existence requests to see a mortal just to he have someone to play games with it? And they said something about "change of tone" is this arc, this is beyond silly.

[TheMikado]

I'm not calling Toriyama lazy but Super hasn't exactly been his best work either. If anything I would think he actually has little involvement in all this.

Toriyama is not on his prime anymore, that's what i think.
It would be cool if he got more help like a big Team to work with him, helping him to keep the series consistent.

I think that was my point though, it doesn't feel like he has nearly the effort or support that he had in he past. Remember a lot of what made DBZ so excellent was done with the very talented people around him who were also invested in the series. The animators/editors, everyone seemed much emotionally invested.

[dbs fanboy]

Oh god, the lord of the existence requests to see a mortal just to he have someone to play games with it? And they said something about "change of tone" is this arc, this is beyond silly.

Lol you're right. What i would find funny would be seeing Zeno annoyed by Goku, i wonder what would happen after that .

Anyways,i hope that ep 55 has something relevant to the plot as Toriyama said that Zeno would be involved.

[omaro34]

Haha this guy is funny. When he's not right, "Toriyama writes stupid things." C'mon...

I see so many times the sentence: "This is bad written" or "That is bad scripted", as if the majority that said that could write one page of a script properly. Stop those cliché words. A couple of days ago I saw one moderator complaining about that and the word "lazy", and it's true. It's getting ridiculous. So many smart-asses and Mr. Know-It-All guys here, is getting really annoying.

If many people are calling Toriyama lazy then there has to be problems with his writing.

The internet isn't the majority opinion, despite popular belief. Also, most of the people calling Toriyama lazy are people like you who are bitter that their favorite character isn't getting scene time anymore. All your posts is filled with resentment that Goku, Vegeta, and the newer characters pushed characters like Piccolo off the map. Which is why you want other 'Black' characters so Piccolo can fight fodder and at least look useful.

Hey namekiansaiyan, please let it go. I never thought there was a bigger Piccolo fan than me but I will now give you that title.

I have the biggest Piccolo fan page on Facebook, yet I'm not going to stop sharing Super episodes there just because Piccolo has been pushed aside. I understand your frustration about Piccolo. Believe me, I do share the same frustration. But harping about the same thing non stop isn't going to accomplish anything. You have been harping on Toriyama's lack of character usage of the main original cast for months, and we get it. I'm I disappointed that Piccolo, Gohan, Majin Buu, Gotenks, and Tenshinhan have been basically written out of the story? You're damn right I am. But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy Super.


We can't overlook some of the good things about Super such as the whole 12 universes concept, the mystery of Black, and entertaining fights such as Goku vs Hit.

Nothing would spark my interest more then Piccolo becoming relevant again in terms of plot or especially strength, but that likely won't happen. Please man, I like you because we share common things about Dragonball, but just let it go about Piccolo. I already have. Just accept it because its reality, and there is really nothing you can do to change it.

[HeroR]

I'm not calling Toriyama lazy but Super hasn't exactly been his best work either. If anything I would think he actually has little involvement in all this.

I disagree. This arc in my opinion is some of Toriyama's best work. This arc had an on-going mystery that has been keeping people guessing, villains with more motive than just being pure evil, and arrogant smug supers, Cell's time machine returning after never being again after the Cell Saga, different timelines being used for something besides setup, the world building had been on point and not recycling Xenoverse or Online, I can go on. This arc is what Dragon Ball would be like if Toriyama didn't write by the seat of his pants.

Most of the complaints I have seen are fans upset that their favorite character isn't doing anything; namely Piccolo and Gohan fans.

[sintzu]

Gokus a genius at fighting and has the natural instinct.

But he can also be fooled easily which is why he fell for that in the 1st place.

Frankly you're just biased against anyone who isn't Vegeta

By your logic, you can also prove that Vegeta lost against Frieza. Frieza destroyed Earth and killed Vegeta, who can't breathe in space, while Frieza survived.

Vegeta is a strategic fighter who shouldn't have been so naive!

Vegeta is my favorite character but I'm not against Piccolo getting a win, I'm against that kind of win cause he deserves better than that.

That would be considered a loss for Vegeta if Whis didn't rewind time to before that happened.

That's because Vegeta always gets over confident when he's in control unlike Piccolo.

[HeroR]

If many people are calling Toriyama lazy then there has to be problems with his writing.

The internet isn't the majority opinion, despite popular belief. Also, most of the people calling Toriyama lazy are people like you who are bitter that their favorite character isn't getting scene time anymore. All your posts is filled with resentment that Goku, Vegeta, and the newer characters pushed characters like Piccolo off the map. Which is why you want other 'Black' characters so Piccolo can fight fodder and at least look useful.

I mentioned this already that I prefer seeing a range of characters instead of a really good story. Toriyama deserves to be called lazy as he has developed characters over a long period of time and then suddenly acts as if they don't exist and are just useless. He does this so he does not have to come up ideas for other characters but with Saiyans it is easy as he can just do a new Saiyan form.

Are you seriously telling me this is OK? and that you don't want to the other characters to do anything?

I also bet you are Goku fanboy.

If many people are calling Toriyama lazy then there has to be problems with his writing.

No, that's not how it works.

I thought you would comment. All you post is stuff to do with fact and opinion and it seems like you don't want anyone to discuss anything.

I hope it does end that quick as I hate this arc currently as it is so slow and boring with too much Goku. After episode 55 there will be no Whis and Beerus and we are left with Goku fighting non-stop, Vegeta talking about pride and Trunks having nightmares which did not exactly happen in the Cell arc.

I want Goku Black to fuse with Goku and then kill Vegeta so Trunks has to return to the current timeline, so we can have variety and unpredictability in the show.

Look, i get your frustation with the titles, too much Goku is bad, but gosh this arc has been focused more on Trunks than Goku. Why the hell are you repeating this?
Ep 47- Trunks focused episode
Ep 48-Trunks focused episode
Ep 49- Trunks focused episode
Ep 50-Goku vs Black and Trunks development (Trunks/Vegeta moment, Trunks/Beerus moment, Trunks's desesperation)
Ep 51- Trunks/Mai focused episode
Ep 51-Trunks/Gohan episode
Ep 53-Zamasu episode, the only thing that Goku did was fight and be annoying.
Ep 54- Trunks/Zamasu focused episode.

The one having development is Trunks not Goku.
The only thing that Goku has done so far is fighting, you could count his moment with Trunks and how did he make Zamasu hate more the "humans", but so far the most interesting and relevant characters were Trunks, Zamasu, and Black. Even both Whis and Beerus have done more than Goku.

It is all about Goku but all the destructuon seems to be happening in Future Trunks' timeline.

I like Piccolo and Gohan far more than Vegeta, yet I don't lose sleep because Piccolo is about as useful as Yamcha. At this point, bitter fanboys like you make their exclusion amusing to me, when before I could at least symptize that your favorite character was replaced for new characters like Jaco and Beerus. I mean, think of the human fans who got their favorites replaced by Piccolo and Gohan. Now, I can't feel sorry for fans like you and you actually make me dislike characters like Piccolo and hope they never see the spotlight again like Broly fans.

And I love how you try to dismiss as a Goku fan. Your resentment towards Goku and Vegeta really doesn't get old.

Also for the record, an author not doing what you want isn't lazy. It's you not liking what the author does.

[omaro34]

I like Piccolo and Gohan far more than Vegeta, yet I don't lose sleep because Piccolo is about as useful as Yamcha. At this point, bitter fanboys like you make their exclusion amusing to me, when before I could at least symptize that your favorite character was replaced for new characters like Jaco and Beerus. I mean, think of the human fans who got their favorites replaced by Piccolo and Gohan.

And I love how you try to dismiss as a Goku fan. Your resentment towards Goku and Vegeta really doesn't get old.

To be fair, when you say Piccolo is about as useful as Yamcha, isn't almost everybody in the main original cast in that category as well? I would put Gohan, Gotenks, Krillin, 18, Tenshinhan, and Majin Buu in that same category as well.

[Chelentano]

I like Piccolo and Gohan far more than Vegeta, yet I don't lose sleep because Piccolo is about as useful as Yamcha. At this point, bitter fanboys like you make their exclusion amusing to me, when before I could at least symptize that your favorite character was replaced for new characters like Jaco and Beerus. I mean, think of the human fans who got their favorites replaced by Piccolo and Gohan. Now, I can't feel sorry for fans like you and you actually make me dislike characters like Piccolo and hope they never see the spotlight again like Broly fans.

And I love how you try to dismiss as a Goku fan. Your resentment towards Goku and Vegeta really doesn't get old.

Also for the record, an author not doing what you want isn't lazy. It's you not liking what the author does.

My only problem with this is that the new characters added aren't all that interesting. I loved Krilin as a child and then I started liking Gohan when the two of them started sharing time on screen. Then, Krilin began to get less and less importance and Gohan became almost the main character. That felt natural within the story and I hadn't any problem with that. Now almost all the cast is fading and we don't have (in my opinion) a proper replacement.

[HeroR]

I like Piccolo and Gohan far more than Vegeta, yet I don't lose sleep because Piccolo is about as useful as Yamcha. At this point, bitter fanboys like you make their exclusion amusing to me, when before I could at least symptize that your favorite character was replaced for new characters like Jaco and Beerus. I mean, think of the human fans who got their favorites replaced by Piccolo and Gohan.

And I love how you try to dismiss as a Goku fan. Your resentment towards Goku and Vegeta really doesn't get old.

To be fair, when you say Piccolo is about as useful as Yamcha, isn't almost everybody in the main original cast in that category as well? I would put Gohan, Gotenks, Krillin, 18, Tenshinhan, and Majin Buu in that same category as well.

Buu has the story breaking power that can change people into candy and regenerate almost endlessly. He can also absorb people.

Gohan, in theory, can train and reach Goku and Vegeta's level. Same with Gotenks.

Piccolo trains all the time and he may still be weaker than Perfect Cell.

[Chuquita]

The pink card was posted some pages back, and there's not really much there.

The additional summary for 55 gives us a little bit that the earlier one didn't, though. Apparently the Omni-king just wanted a friend and to have Gokuu come play with him After that, Gokuu goes to the devastated ruins of the future to save the day. But someone is targeting Gokuu and co. ...

Despite the fact that the last part wants us to think it's about Black, I'd predict it's gonna be Mai, trying to take out Gokuu because she mistakes him for Black.

Now I'm interested!

Depending on what the Omni-king means by "play" this could go several different ways.
If it's playing like sparring, Gokû'll probably have fun, but if it's games he'll probably get bored/anxious/inpatient.

Happy to hear they leave for the future in the next ep.

[HeroR]

I like Piccolo and Gohan far more than Vegeta, yet I don't lose sleep because Piccolo is about as useful as Yamcha. At this point, bitter fanboys like you make their exclusion amusing to me, when before I could at least symptize that your favorite character was replaced for new characters like Jaco and Beerus. I mean, think of the human fans who got their favorites replaced by Piccolo and Gohan. Now, I can't feel sorry for fans like you and you actually make me dislike characters like Piccolo and hope they never see the spotlight again like Broly fans.

And I love how you try to dismiss as a Goku fan. Your resentment towards Goku and Vegeta really doesn't get old.

Also for the record, an author not doing what you want isn't lazy. It's you not liking what the author does.

My only problem with this is that the new characters added aren't all that interesting. I loved Krilin as a child and then I started liking Gohan when the two of them started sharing time on screen. Then, Krilin began to get less and less importance and Gohan became almost the main character. That felt natural within the story and I hadn't any problem with that. Now almost all the cast is fading and we don't have (in my opinion) a proper replacement.

Opinions, I love Beerus, Whis, and Jaco over the entire human cast except Krillin. Heck, I would take the characters from U6 over some of the old guard.

[omaro34]

I like Piccolo and Gohan far more than Vegeta, yet I don't lose sleep because Piccolo is about as useful as Yamcha. At this point, bitter fanboys like you make their exclusion amusing to me, when before I could at least symptize that your favorite character was replaced for new characters like Jaco and Beerus. I mean, think of the human fans who got their favorites replaced by Piccolo and Gohan.

And I love how you try to dismiss as a Goku fan. Your resentment towards Goku and Vegeta really doesn't get old.

To be fair, when you say Piccolo is about as useful as Yamcha, isn't almost everybody in the main original cast in that category as well? I would put Gohan, Gotenks, Krillin, 18, Tenshinhan, and Majin Buu in that same category as well.

Buu has the story breaking power that can change people into candy and regenerate almost endlessly. He can also absorb people.

Gohan, in theory, can train and reach Goku and Vegeta's level. Same with Gotenks.

Piccolo trains all the time and he may still be weaker than Perfect Cell.

I'm not saying what they can do to contribute to the story. My point is that all of these characters have been pushed aside as well. Buu rarely shows up in Super, he didn't even fight in that tournament. Gotenks showed up twice in Super, once against Tagoma where his fusion ran out which didn't make sense, and the other time he got destroyed by Copy Vegeta; Gotenks has been reduced to comic relief in Super.

When you say Gohan can reach that God level of Goku and Vegeta, but chooses not to can be worse depending on how you interpret it.

[HeroR]

I'm not saying what they can do to contribute to the story. My point is that all of these characters have been pushed aside as well. Buu rarely shows up in Super, he didn't even fight in that tournament. Gotenks showed up twice in Super, once against Tagoma where his fusion ran out which didn't make sense, and the other time he got destroyed by Copy Vegeta; Gotenks has been reduced to comic relief in Super.

We all know about Gohan as well.

My point is that Gohan, Gotenks, and Buu can actually be helpful in a fight if they train or Buu uses his broken power set. Piccolo is about as useful as Yamcha in fighting since he hasn't had a power boast since the Cell Saga. The best Piccolo can hope for is being a mentor like the Buu Saga.

[Kishido]

I'm not saying what they can do to contribute to the story. My point is that all of these characters have been pushed aside as well. Buu rarely shows up in Super, he didn't even fight in that tournament. Gotenks showed up twice in Super, once against Tagoma where his fusion ran out which didn't make sense, and the other time he got destroyed by Copy Vegeta; Gotenks has been reduced to comic relief in Super.

We all know about Gohan as well.

My point is that Gohan, Gotenks, and Buu can actually be helpful in a fight if they train or Buu uses his broken power set. Piccolo is about as useful as Yamcha in fighting since he hasn't had a power boast since the Cell Saga. The best Piccolo can hope for is being a mentor like the Buu Saga.

He will read the Namek book of legends and suddenly become Super God Namekian... Maybe he will get a color swap and will be purple

Gohan will unlock Super Saiyan Ultimate God Super Saiyan

Gotenks will get nothing... Cuz Goten will shrink until he disappears

PS
This is sarcams

[Anime Kitten]

I still need to clarify something regarding this thread.

Is the "Discussion" portion for discussing the anime in general or only the announcements?

[sintzu]

I still need to clarify something regarding this thread.

Is the "Discussion" portion for discussing the anime in general or only the announcements?

Both.

[Anime Kitten]

Both.

Okay, good. I just wanted to make sure we weren't going off-topic.