The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kamiccolo9]

Paikuhan one-shotted Super Perfect Cell, and Goku never did any real damage to the green guy. He takes Broly with very little effort.

He used 3 attacks on a NORMAL perfect cell who was surpressed as he was going to go fight a base form goku. He didn't exactly power up.

I think you're al lover hyping Paikuhan and nerfing Broly,to many people hate on Broly and have a bias.


If Paikuhan was above super perfect cell and ssj2 gohan then how could goku dodge him and hurt him and nab a win? He push Paikuhan to go all out,they're very close in power. Power level wise Broly>>>>Paikuhan.

Pikkon-knocked out of ring by Kamehameha

Broly-tanks a much longer charged up Kamehameha from a less damaged Goku.

I swear Broly haters are just as bad,if not worse then the fanboys who think he's ssj10. (I mean people who are biased against him, I can't say if anyone hear is so nobody on this post take that comment as against them please.)

Fine, whatever. "3 shotted." Big difference.

Nothing ever mentioned Cell becoming weaker, so I'm not going to assume that he did.
Goku is in no way close to Paikuhan. He was dominated the entire fight, and won only via outsmarting him with a ringout. It's an impressive showing for Goku, but only in terms of adapting to a fighting an opponent he couldn't beat outright, not a showing of his power.

And yes, Paikuhan got knocked out of the ring. He then proceeded to stand up just fine. He wasn't overpowered; he was caught off-guard, because his own attack left him open. Just like Piccolo sending Freeza flying with a kick, or Trunks doing the same to Fat Buu.

Broly, on the other hand, was KO'd by punch to the gut by a half-dead Goku with the energy of his even more-dead friends.

Goku's power in the Otherworld Tournament filler is all wacky anyway. The guy goes from "not standing a chance" against a weaker Cell a day or so ago, to being willing to take a powered-up one on alone. Super Saiyan is treated as a small boost, like it typically is in filler and the movies, and doesn't really help him out all that much against Paikuhan anyway. Regardless, Paikuhan dominated a stronger Goku and another opponent (Cell) who were far superior to the Goku that beat Broly in Movie 8.

There isn't much room for debate here. Movie 10 Broly would be a better matchup against Paikuhan.

Paikuhan one-shotted Super Perfect Cell, and Goku never did any real damage to the green guy. He takes Broly with very little effort.

"Paikuhan one-shotted Super Perfect Cell" just like Piccolo did the same thing with Freeza in Namek:

Spoiler:

Please, that was just a sneak attack. People really likes exaggerating over this stuff. All this filler arc makes no sense since:

- Goku need to use a supressed SSJ variation to take down Ginyu Force members?

- If Paikuhan (Weighted) is stronger than SP Cell he would wreck Goku in the OWT Final, it wasn't the case.

Unlike Freeza, Cell didn't get back up and keep fighting.

And Paikuhan did wreck Goku.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Just because goku was willing to fight cell doesn't mean anything,and no he didn't get weaker,i didn't say that I said he wasn't at full power,because he wasn't. all he did was spread his wings and fly. didn't power up,and had no super perfect traits,he was not powered up. Pikkon is stronger then goku,but you act like it was one sided, he got hits in,kept up and dodged his hits. if pikkon >super perfect cell then he's above ssj2 teen gohan,and as much as I prefer goku>gohan,goku wouldn't do as well as he did vs pikkon if pikkon was even equal to gohan.


full powered normal cell>goku

full powered cell-completely OWNED by ssj2 gohan

super perfect cell>ssj2 teen gohan

so if cell>goku...why did goku not do WORSE then cell did vs gohan.

I mean you think pikkon> perfect cell,and hopefully you know ssj2 gohan>ssj1 goku cell games.

my point is how can goku,being weaker then cell do better then cell did against gohan vs someone above gohan? Makes no sense.

Broly>>Pikkon>goku>surpressed cell that was going to fight goku.

[Kamiccolo9]

Just because goku was willing to fight cell doesn't mean anything,and no he didn't get weaker,i didn't say that I said he wasn't at full power,because he wasn't. all he did was spread his wings and fly. didn't power up,and had no super perfect traits,he was not powered up. Paikuhan is stronger then goku,but you act like it was one sided, he got hits in,kept up and dodged his hits. if Paikuhan >super perfect cell then he's above ssj2 teen gohan,and as much as I prefer goku>gohan,goku wouldn't do as well as he did vs Paikuhan if Paikuhan was even equal to gohan.


full powered normal cell>goku

full powered cell-completely OWNED by ssj2 gohan

super perfect cell>ssj2 teen gohan

so if cell>goku...why did goku not do WORSE then cell did vs gohan.

I mean you think Paikuhan> perfect cell,and hopefully you know ssj2 gohan>ssj1 goku cell games.

my point is how can goku,being weaker then cell do better then cell did against gohan vs someone above gohan? Makes no sense.

Broly>>Paikuhan>goku>surpressed cell that was going to fight goku.

The fight was incredibly one-sided. Goku got knocked around like a rag doll. He threw out a Super Kaio-Ken, and that didn't even work. You are seriously underselling Paikuhan. None of the Kaio were even remotely surprised that Paikuhan beat Cell. Kaio even says something to the effect of "yeah, that kind of power's not all that uncommon here."

The Daizenshuu, (either 7 or....3, I think, whichever is the anime one) says that Cell is as strong as when he died. You are assuming that he is not.

And yes, Paikuhan may in fact be above SSJ2 Gohan. I wouldn't argue against it if someone claimed so.

Filler!Goku doesn't make sense. Once you learn to accept that, then you'll be a much happier person.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Just because goku was willing to fight cell doesn't mean anything,and no he didn't get weaker,i didn't say that I said he wasn't at full power,because he wasn't. all he did was spread his wings and fly. didn't power up,and had no super perfect traits,he was not powered up. Paikuhan is stronger then goku,but you act like it was one sided, he got hits in,kept up and dodged his hits. if Paikuhan >super perfect cell then he's above ssj2 teen gohan,and as much as I prefer goku>gohan,goku wouldn't do as well as he did vs Paikuhan if Paikuhan was even equal to gohan.


full powered normal cell>goku

full powered cell-completely OWNED by ssj2 gohan

super perfect cell>ssj2 teen gohan

so if cell>goku...why did goku not do WORSE then cell did vs gohan.

I mean you think Paikuhan> perfect cell,and hopefully you know ssj2 gohan>ssj1 goku cell games.

my point is how can goku,being weaker then cell do better then cell did against gohan vs someone above gohan? Makes no sense.

Broly>>Paikuhan>goku>surpressed cell that was going to fight goku.

The fight was incredibly one-sided. Goku got knocked around like a rag doll. He threw out a Super Kaio-Ken, and that didn't even work. You are seriously underselling Paikuhan. None of the Kaio were even remotely surprised that Paikuhan beat Cell. Kaio even says something to the effect of "yeah, that kind of power's not all that uncommon here."

The Daizenshuu, (either 7 or....3, I think, whichever is the anime one) says that Cell is as strong as when he died. You are assuming that he is not.

And yes, Paikuhan may in fact be above SSJ2 Gohan. I wouldn't argue against it if someone claimed so.

Filler!Goku doesn't make sense. Once you learn to accept that, then you'll be a much happier person.

Filler goku is just as logical as the manga scenes goku. Honestly man I don't know how many times I can say this,I know cell as dead is just as strong as cell alive. I didn't say that,where are you getting that from time and time again? But the fact is he didn't power up,so he was suppressed. I mean bog goku was said by beerus to be below frieza,but he wasn't powered up he was surpressed......there's a difference between surpeessed and powered up. otherwise ssj3<frieza by that logic.

[Kamiccolo9]

Filler goku is just as logical as the manga scenes goku. Honestly man I don't know how many times I can say this,I know cell as dead is just as strong as cell alive. I didn't say that,where are you getting that from time and time again? But the fact is he didn't power up,so he was suppressed. I mean bog goku was said by beerus to be below Freeza,but he wasn't powered up he was surpressed......there's a difference between surpeessed and powered up. otherwise ssj3<Freeza by that logic.

It's not a "fact." You can't prove he was suppressed.

Even disregarding that, Kaio knows how strong Cell can get, and he wasn't remotely surprised that Paikuhan easily beat him.

Filler Goku is hardly logical. If you're not even going to acknowledge the instances that Toei filler bring about, then this conversation isn't even worth having.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Filler goku is just as logical as the manga scenes goku. Honestly man I don't know how many times I can say this,I know cell as dead is just as strong as cell alive. I didn't say that,where are you getting that from time and time again? But the fact is he didn't power up,so he was suppressed. I mean bog goku was said by beerus to be below Freeza,but he wasn't powered up he was surpressed......there's a difference between surpeessed and powered up. otherwise ssj3<Freeza by that logic.

It's not a "fact." You can't prove he was suppressed.

Even disregarding that, Kaio knows how strong Cell can get, and he wasn't remotely surprised that Paikuhan easily beat him.

Filler Goku is hardly logical. If you're not even going to acknowledge the instances that Toei filler bring about, then this conversation isn't even worth having.

Well I'm sorry you feel that way, I admit the filler isn't perfect but it's no more flawed then the manga content. All of DBZ is inconsistent my friend.

And who? Goku or cell? Either way it is a fact. cell wouldn't go full out vs goku,and he wouldn't be aura less or electricity less if he was 100% super perfect cell,and kaio didn't see the fight,or he did. either way not being surprised about a win wouldn't mean he thinks pikkon>super perfect cell.

[Hero]

Resurection F Freeza forms 1,2,3,4 vs Vegito (vs buuhan not ROF) at 100% (so ssj3) not 4 Freeza's but how you think he'd do vs each form

ssjgod goku (super) vs beerus battle of gods

burter vs jeice

Paikuhan and goku (both from cell games arc) vs Broly movie 8

- First Form Frieza is treated as badly as Buuhan to just SSJ Vegito.
-Second Form Frieza still loses horribly to SSJ Vegito.
- Third Form Frieza loses to SSJ Vegito but not as badly
- Fourth Form Frieza (initial) ties SSJ Vegito but is wrecked by SSJ2 Vegito.
- Fourth Form Frieza going all out beats SSJ3 Vegito with high difficulty.

- Feats may be different but their power should be the same. Beerus still wins.

- Jeice with high difficulty. There's a reason he's Ginyu's second in command, after all.

- Paikuhan alone stomps LSSJ Broly (M8). M10 Broly however is a different story.

New matches:

- Shisami (DBS) x 2nd Form Freeza (Namek)

- Tagoma (DBS) x Mr. Boo

- SSJ3 Gotenks x 3rd to Final Form Freeza (RoF)

- SSJ Gohan (Boo Arc) x SSJ Goten & SSJ Trunks (Pre RoSaT)

- I'd give this to Shisami actually. He did knock away base Gohan's ki blasts even if Gohan wasn't trying.

- Tagoma beats the shit out of Super Buu, let alone Mr. Buu.

- Any form of Frieza in RoF disintegrates Gotenks.

- Gohan wins if he gets serious. If not, then the two twerps may actually have this.

A couple of fights here:

- SSJ Future Trunks vs. Piccolo at the Cell Games.
- SSJ Future Trunks (vs. Imperfect Cell) vs. Piccolo (Buu arc).
- SSJ Son Goten vs. Shisami.
- Jaco vs. Tarble.
- Videl & Mr. Satan (25th Budokai) vs. Spopovich.
- Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin & Yamcha (Saiyan arc) vs. 3 Namekian warriors.

If Avo and Cado were present during Revival of F and fought the Z-Fighters alongside Freeza's army (and fused into Aka from the start, entering the battle alongside Shisami) would the fight have changed significantly?

- Trunks wins with high difficulty.

- Trunks wins this with high difficulty. I have this version of Trunks above a Cell Junior.

- Shisami wins this... because fuck logic.

- Jaco wins with surprising ease and proves his super elite title to the cosmos by taking down a son of the old Saiyan king.

- Spopovitch makes them his spopobitches

- The Namek warriors win this.

- And no, Piccolo or Gohan would just beat them instead.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Hey, I've got an interesting one:

Whis vs. XXI (from DBM)

Rules are the same as the tournament in DBM...

[Hero]

Hey, I've got an interesting one:

Whis vs. XXI (from DBM)

Rules are the same as the tournament in DBM...

Well, we don't know everything Whis and XXI are capable of, but I say Whis wins this because even if he is trapped in another dimension, he can just reverse time to before XXI does the spell and speedblitz him.

And I got some matches too:

1. Tenshinhan and Goku (both 22nd WMAT) vs. Yajirobe (1st appearance WITH sword) and Tambourine.

2. SSJ2 Vegeta (BoG - NON raging) vs. Mr. Buu

3. Piccolo (BoG/ RoF) vs. 1 Cell Jr.

4. Piccolo (BoG/ RoF) vs. SSJ Goku (Cell Games)

5. Piccolo (BoG/ RoF) vs. SSJ Gohan (Cell Games)

6. Whis vs. 2 Beeruses

7. Whis vs. 3 Beeruses

8. Whis vs. 5 Beeruses

9. Whis vs. 10 Beeruses


My answers:

1. Goku and Tien got this if they can work together properly.

2. Buu still wins.

3. Piccolo wins with style and gets his revenge.

4. Piccolo puts up one hell of a fight but loses in the end.

5. Piccolo is weirdly proud as his students beats the tar out of him.

6. Whis owns.

7. Whis still owns.

8. Whis owns as usual.

9. Whis is omnipotent along with Lord Popo and Tagoma.


EDIT: More matches!!

10. LSSJ Broly (M10) vs. Majin Vegeta

11. LSSJ3 Broly (M10) vs. Kid Buu

12. LSSJ3 Broly (M10) vs. Super Buu

13. LSSJ4 Broly (M10) vs. Buuhan

14. LSSJ4 Broly (M10) vs. SSJ Vegito

Answers:

10. Broly wins with high difficulty.

11. Broly wins with ease.

12. Broly loses but puts up a good fight. Is absorbed in the end.

13. Broly stomps Buu and chews on him like the bubblegum he is.

14.

Except with LSSJ4 Broly

[ZombieVito]

New matches:

- Shisami (DBS) x 2nd Form Freeza (Namek)

- Tagoma (DBS) x Mr. Boo

- SSJ3 Gotenks x 3rd to Final Form Freeza (RoF)

- SSJ Gohan (Boo Arc) x SSJ Goten & SSJ Trunks (Pre RoSaT)

Even 1st Form Freeza murders.
Mr. Buu wins with ease. I don't see Tagoma as SSJ3 tier.
Freeza would need his final form to win.
The duo wins with a lot of difficulty.

[Dbzfan94]

And I got some matches too:

1. Tienand Goku (both 22nd WMAT) vs. Yajirobe (1st appearance WITH sword) and Tambourine.
2. SSJ2 Vegeta (BoG - NON raging) vs. Mr. Buu
3. Piccolo (BoG/ RoF) vs. 1 Cell Jr.
4. Piccolo (BoG/ RoF) vs. SSJ Goku (Cell Games)
5. Piccolo (BoG/ RoF) vs. SSJ Gohan (Cell Games)
6. Whis vs. 2 Beeruses
7. Whis vs. 3 Beeruses
8. Whis vs. 5 Beeruses
9. Whis vs. 10 Beeruses

EDIT: More matches!!

10. LSSJ Broly (M10) vs. Majin Vegeta
11. LSSJ3 Broly (M10) vs. Kid Buu
12. LSSJ3 Broly (M10) vs. Super Buu
13. LSSJ4 Broly (M10) vs. Buuhan
14. LSSJ4 Broly (M10) vs. SSJ Vegito

1. If both Tien and Goku are at full power Goku is not hungry, they stomp. Otherwise, they win with difficulty.
2. Buu wins with high difficulty
3. Piccolo stomps
4. Could go either way. I lean towards Goku
5. Gohan wins barely
6. Whis stomps both Beerus
7. Whis wins with difficulty
8. Beerus Squad wins with difficulty
9. Beerus Squad stomps effortlessly
10. Majin Vegeta stomps
11. Kid Buu wins due to his regeneration.
12. Super Buu stomps.
13. Gohan Buu wins with high diificulty
14. Vegetto wins with difficulty

[Sandubadear]

13. Gohan Buu wins with high diificulty
14. Broly wins with difficulty

You think Buuhan > Vegetto?

[Dbzfan94]

13. Gohan Buu wins with high diificulty
14. Broly wins with difficulty

You think Buuhan > Vegetto?

Nah but with Buu's insane regeneration I think he could win against any form of Broly. I'll edit my post anyway

[Hugo Boss]

New matches:

- Shisami (DBS) x 2nd Form Freeza (Namek)

- Tagoma (DBS) x Mr. Boo

- SSJ3 Gotenks x 3rd to Final Form Freeza (RoF)

- SSJ Gohan (Boo Arc) x SSJ Goten & SSJ Trunks (Pre RoSaT)

. Shisami is as strong as Zarbon, he can't take even 1st Form Freeza.
. Tagoma's limit is still up to be revealed, but I don't think he is supposed to be stronger than Gohan anyway. And Gohan is nothing more than a regular Super Saiyan now. Boo is comparable to SS3.
. There is no telling about how strong Freeza is in his second and third forms, but assuming his first form became stronger than a Super Saiyan, you could say that his third or final forms are superior to SS3.
. Giving Gohan's performance against Broly, Dabra and Boo, I think he can probably take both the kids at the same time. Not to mention a weakened SS2 Majin Vegeta one shotted them pretty easily.

[Pocket-God]

New matches:

- Super Boo-Piccolo x SSJ3 Gotenks

- Beyond Limits SSJ4 Goku x Golden Freeza

- SSJ4 Vegeta x SSGSS Goku

- Final Form Freeza (RoF) x Super Boo-tenks

Buu

Goku

Vegeta

Buu

[Pocket-God]

And I got some matches too:

1. Tienand Goku (both 22nd WMAT) vs. Yajirobe (1st appearance WITH sword) and Tambourine.
2. SSJ2 Vegeta (BoG - NON raging) vs. Mr. Buu
3. Piccolo (BoG/ RoF) vs. 1 Cell Jr.
4. Piccolo (BoG/ RoF) vs. SSJ Goku (Cell Games)
5. Piccolo (BoG/ RoF) vs. SSJ Gohan (Cell Games)
6. Whis vs. 2 Beeruses
7. Whis vs. 3 Beeruses
8. Whis vs. 5 Beeruses
9. Whis vs. 10 Beeruses

EDIT: More matches!!

10. LSSJ Broly (M10) vs. Majin Vegeta
11. LSSJ3 Broly (M10) vs. Kid Buu
12. LSSJ3 Broly (M10) vs. Super Buu
13. LSSJ4 Broly (M10) vs. Buuhan
14. LSSJ4 Broly (M10) vs. SSJ Vegito

1: Tien and Goku
2: Mr Buu
3,4,5: not Piccolo
6: Whis
7: Whis
8: Beerus
9: Beerus
10: Broly, Mid-Dif
11,12,13, 14: Broly one-shots

[nickzambuto]

Who can take more of a beating before being defeated, Goku or Rocky Balboa?

[Wezenheim]

Who can take more of a beating before being defeated, Goku or Rocky Balboa?

Vegeta

[nickzambuto]

Who can take more of a beating before being defeated, Goku or Rocky Balboa?

Vegeta

Aaahhhh yooooouuuuu

[pacz360]

Buuhan vs super baby vegeta 1
General rildo vs kid buu
Gt pan vs android 18
Gt uub vs fat buu.