Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[dbzfan7]

Mannnn I can't wait for Summer.

Gotta get inside that theater if only for the Krillin x 18 scene.

I hope Krillin actually has a whole scene dedicated to him catching those criminals. I hope we're not just cut to Krillin already finished his police chase.

[Kamiccolo9]

I really want to see Jaco's drawing of Freeza that he shows Bulma.

[FortuneSSJ]

maybe Toriyama is hinting that goku and vegeta now will fight in team battles ?

Don't know about that, but I'm waiting for MSSJG Gogeta.

[ShadowWolf87]

I really want to see Jaco's drawing of Freeza that he shows Bulma.

Jaco needs more love. He's hilarious.

[dbgtFO]

I really want to see Jaco's drawing of Freeza that he shows Bulma.

I wonder, if Jaco draws Freeza better, than Freeza draws Freeza

[Lord Beerus]

The scene I'm looking forward too quite a bit is the scene where the Pilaf Gang hijack one of Freeza's wishes to get more money and then high-tail it.

I really want to see Jaco's drawing of Freeza that he shows Bulma.

I wonder, if Jaco draws Freeza better, than Freeza draws Freeza

When has Freeza ever drawn a self portrait of himself?

[Mystic Tien]

He should have been more powerful than Whis to become a real threat. He is basically a punching bag for most of the fight.

Nah, I'm glad his trainning didn't made him that OP. Goku and Vegeta have been trainning much harder than him.
Toriyama was smart in doing that way.

This one we don't know.

Mannnn I can't wait for Summer.

Gotta get inside that theater if only for the Krillin x 18 scene.

I hope Krillin actually has a whole scene dedicated to him catching those criminals. I hope we're not just cut to Krillin already finished his police chase.

For some reasons I already totally imagine it being exactly cut to Krillin already finishing his police chase.

[rereboy]

It makes sense just fine. He/They didn't think Freeza was going to be a serious threat this time. So he told #18 to stay back and let him go take care of it. Not because she wouldn't be useful, but probably because he wanted to go fight instead. And someone had to stay back and watch Marron. It's not a case of "Who's more powerful" here.

For Goten and Trunks, as much as I would have loved to see them, that makes sense too. Again, it's not about who is strongest or would more easily take care of Freeza. The people gathered (Aside from being put in to give some of the old cast glory...because a lot of you can't accept that as reason enough) didn't think Freeza would be a threat, and probably saw this as a chance to have some fun/test their skills. As Gohan said that Goten and Trunks were, as fighters, to prone to do something rash. What that is, I dunno. Maybe it was because they were too strong and would ended everything quickly.

I'm all for immersing yourself into a story. But some of you are so immersed that you can't pull yourselves out for a second to look at the real-world reasons behind some of these decisions.

If something doesn't make sense or doesn't feel right in-universe and we are more than tempted to resort to out-of-universe reasoning to justify it, then the writing failed to make it seamless within the story and make it feel natural. This is not people becoming "too immersed" in a story, imo.

As for #18 and Krillin, Krillin can't take care of anything even if Freeza wasn't any stronger, except possibly some goons, while #18 could. If she really doesn't want to go, that's one thing, which is why the dialog I previously presented for the scene could work better in justifying it, but how the scene is presented in the synopsis seems to be another thing entirely.

How the scene is presented in the synopsis seems to be Krillin being aware of how much more formidable than him #18 is but still assuming the traditional male role of protector of the family while the woman stays home hidden with their kid. This is illogical. Like I said before, it's like the a skinny office clerk telling his Navy Seal, expert in hand to hand combat, wife to stay inside in the house with their kid while he is going to expel the man who broke into their lawn, while she tells him that she is much more qualified and better suited to do it, which he ignores and doesn't even admit/suggest doing it together, even though its possible that things will get more dangerous than he realizes. If his Navy Seal, expert in hand to hand combat, wife really doesn't want to help, that's one thing, otherwise that guy is just a fool.

As for Marron, they couldn't just leave with Dr. Brief and his wife or ChiChi or Dende on their way to the battle or any other solution? Of course they could, that's no real excuse, imo.

As for Goten and Trunks, if Freeza isn't a serious threat, then what's the problem of telling or not wanting Goten and Trunks there...? If he isn't a serious threat, then it would also be a nice test for the kids, like the 2008 special went down. Its basically the same thing, those dudes show up, they aren't a real threat, they even let Goten and Trunks handle them. But now, out of the sudden, that's a bad idea...

[ArchedThunder]

Just read the synopsis and I really don't know how to feel about this film... They advertised the wish of bringing Freeza back as the worst wish in history and that there would be despair, but what we instead get is the Z warriors taking down some jobbers and Goku and Vegeta completely humiliating Freeza in two completely one sided fights. It sounds like there is no real tension in the movie and it's an unfun reversal of the last movie where the "bad guy" is far stronger than Goku and Vegeta. It seems the only point to the movie is Goku and Vegeta having their flaws pointed out to them, which could have just been a small part of another film. Hopefully the next film is after the EoZ and has a villain that isn't a joke compared to Goku and Vegeta and there are some real stakes. BoG, if you ignore the EoZ, while not being very serious actually had stakes.

[rereboy]

Big Momma already covered this, but the key point in my example (and the key point in the movie) is that they didn't think there was a real emergency. I was absolutely not implying that "the man should take care of business." I was saying that if I think it's something I can handle, I'm not going to send my wife in to do it for me even if she happens to be stronger.

If the characters knew that there was a serious threat, and they truly wanted to send their best soldiers into the fray, then yes, No. 18 would have made more sense than Kuririn. But that's not what happened. No. 18 and Kuririn outright acknowledge that she's the stronger of the two. But they didn't think there was a real emergency, so Kuririn said "Nah, don't worry about it. I can handle this one. You relax." To the two of them, it wasn't about "keeping her in the kitchen," as so many people have said. It was simply Kuririn offering to do something so that his wife didn't have to. They didn't think anything of it.

Which does raise the question of why Tenshinhan told Yamcha to stay behind if nobody thought there was an emergency...

What if instead of #18, Krillin was talking to Yamcha? Wouldn't Krillin ask if Yamcha was going or if he didn't want to go, even though Yamcha would be less useful than him? He probably would.

However, despite #18 being far more useful than Yamcha or even Krillin, he doesn't do that to #18. Why? Because he is just assuming the traditional male role, even though there's no logic to it and, like I stated, Freeza being as strong as before doesn't justify her staying. Even in that situation she would be more useful than him, and being useful is the whole point of him going since he wouldn't be able to take care of Freeza by himself in any case.

What should happen is Krillin knowing and respecting how much of a formidable warrior his wife is and at least ask if she doesn't want to go kick some bad guy butt with him. Instead, he knows it but still quite literally "treats her as a woman".

So, no, imo, there's no sense to it. Krillin is just doing the man of the family role even though it makes no logical sense. She isn't even really a woman like the others, she is quite literally an cyborg made to conquer and/or destroy the world...

[dbgtFO]

I really want to see Jaco's drawing of Freeza that he shows Bulma.

I wonder, if Jaco draws Freeza better, than Freeza draws Freeza

When has Freeza ever drawn a self portrait of himself?

It was in DBZ Anime Special 2, a pamphlet(?) or some sort of special 14 page magazine, that had quick guides on how to draw certain characters.
Freeza tries drawing himself:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kami_sama ... /lightbox/
But Toriyama doesn't approve.
I think I asked for this translated at some point.

[ShadowWolf87]

Big Momma already covered this, but the key point in my example (and the key point in the movie) is that they didn't think there was a real emergency. I was absolutely not implying that "the man should take care of business." I was saying that if I think it's something I can handle, I'm not going to send my wife in to do it for me even if she happens to be stronger.

If the characters knew that there was a serious threat, and they truly wanted to send their best soldiers into the fray, then yes, No. 18 would have made more sense than Kuririn. But that's not what happened. No. 18 and Kuririn outright acknowledge that she's the stronger of the two. But they didn't think there was a real emergency, so Kuririn said "Nah, don't worry about it. I can handle this one. You relax." To the two of them, it wasn't about "keeping her in the kitchen," as so many people have said. It was simply Kuririn offering to do something so that his wife didn't have to. They didn't think anything of it.

Which does raise the question of why Tenshinhan told Yamcha to stay behind if nobody thought there was an emergency...

What if instead of #18, Krillin was talking to Yamcha? Wouldn't Krillin ask if Yamcha was going or if he didn't want to go, even though Yamcha would be less useful than him? He probably would.

However, despite #18 being far more useful than Yamcha or even Krillin, he doesn't do that to #18. Why? Because he is just assuming the traditional male role, even though there's no logic to it and, like I stated, Freeza being as strong as before doesn't justify her staying. Even in that situation she would be more useful than him, and being useful is the whole point of him going since he wouldn't be able to take care of Freeza by himself in any case.

What should happen is Krillin knowing and respecting how much of a formidable warrior his wife is and at least ask if she doesn't want to go kick some bad guy butt with him. Instead, he knows it but still quite literally "treats her as a woman".

So, no, imo, there's no sense to it. Krillin is just doing the man of the family role even though it makes no logical sense. She isn't even really a woman like the others, she is quite literally an cyborg made to conquer and/or destroy the world...

I think people are also outright overlooking the fundamntal fact that one of them has a connection to Freeza, the other does not.

One wants to get a bit of payback for what happened on Namek. The other just knows this guy existed and that she's stronger.

If anything this is more her conceding that this is, more or less, his fight. He has the right to go.

But by all means, keep trying to read into that. I always find it amusing how easily offended people are over pretty much anything these days.

[Chuquita]

I feel like part of choosing who he chose to be supporting cast was to scratch the itch he never got to in BOG.
Didn't Toriyama have a bunch of scenes where the rest of the cast all got turns to really battle Beerus, and then come to Gokû's aid at the climax? I think Toriyama still wanted to do something like that.

Hoping to see the missing cast members in the next film if when that happens.

[rereboy]

I think people are also outright overlooking the fundamntal fact that one of them has a connection to Freeza, the other does not.

One wants to get a bit of payback for what happened on Namek. The other just knows this guy existed and that she's stronger.

If anything this is more her conceding that this is, more or less, his fight. He has the right to go.

But by all means, keep trying to read into that. I always find it amusing how easily offended people are over pretty much anything these days.

How exactly is me explaining how something in the movie could be better, imo, is me being being offended by the movie?

Like I stated, if #18 really doesn't want to go (since she is not the hero type and Gohan and the others have it under control), even though Krillin asks her if she wants to fight, I think that can work as a justification for her not being there, even though I would prefer that she was there.

But Krillin trying to be the man of the family and really not treating her as the formidable warrior that she is and just treating her "like his woman" and thus not even caring to ask of she wants to fight with him, doesn't make much logical sense to me. Unless Krillin is really that much of a traditionalist, which might make sense but is something that I don't really like.

[ShadowWolf87]

I think people are also outright overlooking the fundamntal fact that one of them has a connection to Freeza, the other does not.

One wants to get a bit of payback for what happened on Namek. The other just knows this guy existed and that she's stronger.

If anything this is more her conceding that this is, more or less, his fight. He has the right to go.

But by all means, keep trying to read into that. I always find it amusing how easily offended people are over pretty much anything these days.

How exactly is me explaining how something in the movie could be better, imo, is me being being offended by the movie?

Like I stated, if #18 really doesn't want to go (since she is not the hero type and Gohan and the others have it under control), even though Krillin asks her if she wants to fight, I think that can work as a justification for her not being there, even though I would prefer that she was there.

But Krillin trying to be the man of the family and really not treating her as the formidable warrior that she is and just treating her "like his woman" and thus not even caring to ask of she wants to fight with him, doesn't make much logical sense to me. Unless Krillin is really that much of a traditionalist, which might make sense but is something that I don't really like.

You outright implied he would have asked if she were a man. You're accusing a character of being overtly sexist without basis. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

[DBZ_Lee]

I cannot wait to see this movie. It has a more "Dragon Ball Z" feel to it than BoG did, I know the former introduced more advances within the Story, with new characters et al, but, this definitely (by the sounds of things anyway) goes more "old school", and I'm more than happy with that.

Hoping Manga UK are hard at work licensing it for release this year in the UK, with a Limited Theatrical run and Home Video.

[rereboy]

You outright implied he would have asked if she were a man. You're accusing a character of being overtly sexist without basis. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

Actually, Krillin being a traditionalist in this regard would actually serve as a justification for what is apparently presented. I don't really like it, but it serves. If he's not, then we are back at not making much sense.

And wouldn't he treat her differently if she was one of the guys?

If Tenshinhan was there, wouldn't he say "hey, Tenshinhan, aren't you coming to the fight?".

If Yamcha was there, wouldn't he say "how about you, are you coming to the fight?".

#18 would be far more useful than both of them, but apparently he doesn't make the same question to her. Why? Krillin cares about Tenshinhan and Yamcha, so, obviously, its not because he cares about #18 and doesn't care about Tenshinhan or Yamcha.

(Also, yeah, "hilarious if not sad", great passive aggressive insult, it was really impressive and all that and so on).

[Lord Frieza]

I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.

This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.

[RandomGuy96]

I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.

This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.

No he doesn't. The true villain of the film, Sorbet, takes down Goku.

[ArchedThunder]

I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.

This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.

He's a joke because he can't land a hit, also he doesn't take them out. Sorbet takes out Goku with a cheap shot and Freeza "takes out" Vegeta by blowing up the planet really quick in a suicidal way because he isn't a match for him.