Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[buutenks]

Allot of Walls of texts.

Incomplete UI Goku is hard to pin because of his dodging ability.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Allot of Walls of texts.

Incomplete UI Goku is hard to pin because of his dodging ability.

UI omen goku, while not beyond hakaishin level, he should be at AT hakaishin level. After all, UI omen is what beerus presumably has, or possibly even less.

[SayianBeyondGod]

Allot of Walls of texts.

Incomplete UI Goku is hard to pin because of his dodging ability.

UI omen goku, while not beyond hakaishin level, he should be at AT hakaishin level. After all, UI omen is what beerus presumably has, or possibly even less.

Beerus also has hakai energy so I don't think UI omen alone is enough to say he rivals some hakaishins. Maybe raw power or full ki control alone if a factor too, I mean Jiren doesn't have MUI or hakai energy.

[Kenneth La Torre]

https://t.co/ICxqr67aTI

Jiren and MUI goku might actually be a very even fight if this trailer is anything to go by

[HeroR]

And Beerus's contradiction does not?

Beerus also isn't very truthful.

On that point about arm wrestling he is. Unlike his dimension altering statement where it was clearly seen he wasn't sure.

Based on what?

[Kenneth La Torre]

https://t.co/ICxqr67aTI

Jiren and MUI goku might actually be a very even fight if this trailer is anything to go by

Theres also a minute long preview on 129. Link in the dbs official discussion thread

[brett wheeler]

so my take on the minute long trailer is this. Jiren is probably stronger than UI omen, but he cant land that many hits all that well due to UI omen hax dodge ability ( witch also implies that jiren is stronger than omen but even being stronger doesnt help agianst gameshark dodge ability atleast not well ) , jiren is stated agian to be the strongest foe implying agian that he is above beerus ( altho his name wasnt brought up its still implied ),jiren smiles due to goku withstanding his full powered attack goku masters UI due to this all out attack by jiren that forced him to break his limits agian , goku threw pushing to his true power and shattering all his limits masters UI from here on the fight will be intense.

[Legion]

''Stronger than Frieza, Cell, and Buu'' seriously? thank you Toei. It's really difficult say if Jiren is>Beerus or universal Zamasu. Z fodder villains are more important

[Kenneth La Torre]

''Stronger than Frieza, Cell, and Buu'' seriously? thank you Toei. It's really difficult say if Jiren is>Beerus or universal Zamasu. Z fodder villains are more important

Only z villains where mentioned. Merged zamasu wasn’t included either despite him being far above him. My prediction is that they are saving up the revelation once jiren goes all out along MUI goku

[Legion]

''Stronger than Frieza, Cell, and Buu'' seriously? thank you Toei. It's really difficult say if Jiren is>Beerus or universal Zamasu. Z fodder villains are more important

Only z villains where mentioned. Merged zamasu wasn’t included either despite him being far above him. My prediction is that they are saving up the revelation once jiren goes all out along MUI goku

Yeah because we really need a statement about Jiren>Z villains. That line is just stupid. There will not be any statement about Jiren and super antagonists, in my opinion.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Oh no. Statements will definitely be made once those two fight it out at full power. That’s a guaranteed

[TheUltimateNinja]

It was already stated that Suppressed Jiren was far superior to Infinite Zamasu, no need to state it again. The only statements we should expect are Whis acknowledging that Goku has surpassed him and Beerus saying something along the lines of, "Holy shit, he'd fodderize me in one shot!"

[Doctor.]

It was already stated that Suppressed Jiren was far superior to Infinite Zamasu, no need to state it again. The only statements we should expect are Whis acknowledging that Goku has surpassed him and Beerus saying something along the lines of, "Holy shit, he'd fodderize me in one shot!"

Why would Goku surpass Whis when he can barely use UI properly?

[Legion]

It was already stated that Suppressed Jiren was far superior to Infinite Zamasu, no need to state it again. The only statements we should expect are Whis acknowledging that Goku has surpassed him and Beerus saying something along the lines of, "Holy shit, he'd fodderize me in one shot!"

This is really a nice headcanon.

[SupremeKai25]

It was already stated that Suppressed Jiren was far superior to Infinite Zamasu, no need to state it again.

Where was this stated?

[Rally 07]

It was already stated that Suppressed Jiren was far superior to Infinite Zamasu, no need to state it again.

Where was this stated?

This was stated in Super episode 109 and 110 in the special. Shin stated suppressed Jiren was different than any enemy they faced before. That Jiren was strong, plain and simple. And Shin's statement shouldn't be negated or neglected at all, due to him being there to witness Infinite Zamas merging with the entire universe.

[SupremeKai25]

It was already stated that Suppressed Jiren was far superior to Infinite Zamasu, no need to state it again.

Where was this stated?

This was stated in Super episode 109 and 110 in the special. Shin stated suppressed Jiren was different than any enemy they faced before. That Jiren was strong, plain and simple. And Shin's statement shouldn't be negated or neglected at all, due to him being there to witness Infinite Zamas merging with the entire universe.

The fact that Jiren was different from Infinite Zamasu doesn't mean that he was stronger. I am searching for the statement that supposedly claims that Jiren is much, much more powerful than Infinite Zamasu.

[Bullza]

There was Vegeta saying suppressed Jiren had greater Ki than anyone he'd ever come across or something like that. I think that's where the idea is coming from.

[HeroR]

There was Vegeta saying suppressed Jiren had greater Ki than anyone he'd ever come across or something like that. I think that's where the idea is coming from.

Problem is, they didn't really fight Merged Zamasu after he fused with the universe. They did their big attacks after they were severely weakened and than Merged Zamasu threw up on them.

[buutenks]

Oh no. Statements will definitely be made once those two fight it out at full power. That’s a guaranteed

Yes i can imagine now, Krillin n Roshi saying: Wow Jiren and Goku got to a whole new level. While everyone else keeps silent.

I guess that will make things more interesting. Imagine all those endless debates with Jiren vs Beerus or MUI Goku vs Beerus. Will be amusing to read.

For me, I'm not that interested in their their exact strength, i just want one amazing fight, especially since Super is ending. So i want to see amazing animation/art/ whatever you call it + epic scenes and moments.