Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[sintzu]

Why is there even an ongoing debate on whether Vegeta beat Freeza or not? He didn't.

You're right,he didn't beat Freeza,he humiliated him and made him kneel before him.

[dbzfan7]

I guess you missed the point of their posts. They don't hate Vegeta, they are just unpleased by how people treat Vegeta as a victor in a movie, while he lost to a weakened and exhausted Freeza, and failed to protect the Earth.

The point of their posts is to clearly bait Vegeta fans. That much is obvious. They've been doing it since the spoilers came out and it's both sad and pathetic. They can't handle the fact that some people had an opinion different than theirs and had to listen to it on a daily basis. Guess what? Get over it. That's something that happens on a daily basis in the real world. If you can't handle it then don't bother reading those posts. Ignore them and move on. It's as simple as that. People are allowed to think what they want to think and nobody has the right to tell them otherwise.

And with that, I'm done when it comes to this subject. I have no desire to fill this thread up with more nonsensical crap like this.

I read most of their posts in this thread, and I don't see any baiting. I am Vegeta fan myself, and I don't feel offended in the slightest with what they are speaking about and I totally agree with their point, which is based on facts from the summary.

People may have different opinions from their ones, what they are trying to prove is that Vegeta failed to protect the Earth and defeat Freeza, which was his main goal in this movie. And he failed, regardless from Whis rewinding time, this still happened. We saw it (or at least read it, as for now), Goku saw it, Whis saw it, heck, Vegeta himself saw it. And if it was shown, it means, that it happened. And Freeza who destroyed the Earth, not only accomplished his goal while being weakened and exhausted after the fight with Goku, but also managed to undid seemingly close victory of Vegeta, turning it into the loss. That is the point of their argument, as I see it.

Thank you sir for showing you can be a mature Vegeta fan. One who is a fan of Vegeta, but not a fanboy. We need more posters like you who can tell the difference between being a hater, and making a point. Some of my favourite moments in DBZ are Vegeta moments. Like when he schooled 19. The Final Flash. His sacrifice. Vegeta making the plan to kill Boo. Vegeta saving Goku in prior toei movies. I can name cool moments too and Vegeta knows how to be cool, but I can still see through bullshit.

[Mystic Tien]

If someone else killed the tiger you didn't beat it, Freeza didn't inflict the moral blow to Goku. If you still die while killing the tiger you didn't win, you both died, Freeza didn't survive killing Vegeta.

A win with help is still a win, the tiger is dead and I'm alive, in the game of life and death I won. stop thing of this thing as a game with rules. There are none and the game ends when one of us is dead.

It doesn't matter, Feeza didn't win, he wasn't the one who beat Goku, Sorbet was.

Finally, Goku launches a massive Kamehameha at Freeza, which he attempts to repel with a blast of his own. It is no use, however; the tyrant is utterly defeated. As Goku stands above him, Freeza hauls himself up on the water’s edge, erupting in rage and humiliation… followed by a smirk. Just then, a bolt of energy comes from behind Freeza and pierces Goku straight through the heart: it was Sorbet with his ring. Freeza then takes out his pent-up rage on Goku, kicking and stomping on his chest repeatedly.

[rereboy]

Why is there even an ongoing debate on whether Vegeta beat Freeza or not? He didn't.

You're right,he didn't beat Freeza,he humiliated him and made him kneel before him.

And then Freeza killed Vegeta, his planet, and his family/friends, making it necessary for Whis to turn back time and Goku to be the one to kill Freeza, which humiliated Vegeta since everyone got to know that he let Freeza destroy Earth and kill him despite being much stronger than Freeza and it had to be Goku the one to do what he failed to do (kill Freeza in time).

[sintzu]

TO have a Defeat a finishing blow needs to be delivered.

So getting someone to fall to the ground and scream in fear isn't a defeat ?

[Birusu16]

No Vegeta fan should give a damn about what anybody else thinks, let alone the opinions of a bunch of egocentric Vegeta haters.

You have to admit that it's funny seeing them trying to deny the fact that Vegeta beat Freeza.

Vegeta did not beat Freeza. TO have a Defeat a finishing blow needs to be delivered which Freeza is the one that delivered. Had Whis and Goku not interfered Vegeta loses to Freeza 100 times out of 100.

Once again if this was WWE Freeza would still be champion despite being dominated by both Goku and Vegeta because he found a way to win by outside help.

You can't be champion if you yourself were knocked out as well and, well, Freeza kind of killed himself when he blew up the planet, so while he did kill Vegeta, he didn't kill Goku (who was the one he was mainly after) and also died himself.

Ah why did I bother even going back to this subject!

Well time to definitely move on.

This Blue SSJ still intrigues me. I don't see how it can just be SSJ with godly ki seeing as it serves as a power-up. If it was just SSJ with godly ki then Goku shouldn't be that much stronger than he is in BoGs. Meh, who knows.

[Mystic Tien]

Seeing that Freeza did kill Vegeta and the rest of the Earth then I guess that means Vegeta, Nappa and Kuririn are the only characters in the franchise that got killed by the same person twice (Vegeta killed Nappa twice, both Vegeta and Kuririn died from Freeza). Mr. Satan, Pan and Uub died as well making Kibitoshin the only character not to die in the franchise.

If I am not mistaken, Krillin actually survived.

Only Beerus, Whis, and those near them survive the destruction, thanks to Whis’ barrier

I may be wrong though.

[Lord Frieza]

If your friend beats up someone that beat you up you didn't beat them up, your friend did. Also Freeza blowing up the planet is pointless, even if Whis couldn't turn back time Goku knows where Namek is. Freeza lost no matter which way you spin it and on top of that he was weak compared to them.

Yes and yet with tactic, quick thinking and a little help Frieza was the one left standing while Gokus on the ground and Vegeta got vaparised reversing time dosent change the fact the fact that they still lost. I'm not argueing that Frieza would have one in the end. He couldn't have but in both fights Goku and Vegeta where beaten. Goku by being careless and Vegeta for not reacting fast enough so in a life and death fight with no rules Frieza beat them both.

[TheGmGoken]

Kibitoshin the only character not to die in the franchise.

King Emma, Majin Boo(How would space effect him?), and Monster Rabbit.

[Vidmusc]

Why is there even an ongoing debate on whether Vegeta beat Freeza or not? He didn't.

You're right,he didn't beat Freeza,he humiliated him and made him kneel before him.

In which afterward Freeza beat Vegeta. Stop acting like he won. He didn't. Vegeta killed him when he blew up the planet. End of story.

[WittyUsername]

Kibitoshin the only character not to die in the franchise.

King Emma, Majin Boo(How would space effect him?), and Monster Rabbit.

Wouldn't Monster Rabbit have died when Roshi destroyed the Moon?

[Lord Frieza]

Finally, Goku launches a massive Kamehameha at Freeza, which he attempts to repel with a blast of his own. It is no use, however; the tyrant is utterly defeated. As Goku stands above him, Freeza hauls himself up on the water’s edge, erupting in rage and humiliation… followed by a smirk. Just then, a bolt of energy comes from behind Freeza and pierces Goku straight through the heart: it was Sorbet with his ring. Freeza then takes out his pent-up rage on Goku, kicking and stomping on his chest repeatedly.

and who dose Sorbat work for?

[VegettoEX]

Is your post sarcastic? Consider not making it.

Is your post a single sentence? Consider not making it.

Is your post directed at a single person with an ulterior motive of attacking them? Under no circumstances should you make it.

Genuine conversation. In-depth opinions. Solid reasoning. Making friends. Knowing when agreeing-to-disagree is actually an OK thing that isn't embarrassing or a sign of weakness. That's what Kanzenshuu posts should be. If you're not willing to live up to that spirit, consider sitting things out for a while.

[Vidmusc]

Kibitoshin the only character not to die in the franchise.

King Emma, Majin Boo(How would space effect him?), and Monster Rabbit.

Depends which Buu you mean. In all fairness, Kid Buu was the true Majin Buu, and was killed by Goku. And plus considering he was in hibernation in this movie, I doubt he lived through the explosion.

[dbzfan7]

Kibitoshin the only character not to die in the franchise.

King Emma, Majin Boo(How would space effect him?), and Monster Rabbit.

Wouldn't Monster Rabbit have died when Roshi destroyed the Moon?

Apparently they drifted throughout space somehow....it was in an interview I think somewhere.

[ArchedThunder]

Finally, Goku launches a massive Kamehameha at Freeza, which he attempts to repel with a blast of his own. It is no use, however; the tyrant is utterly defeated. As Goku stands above him, Freeza hauls himself up on the water’s edge, erupting in rage and humiliation… followed by a smirk. Just then, a bolt of energy comes from behind Freeza and pierces Goku straight through the heart: it was Sorbet with his ring. Freeza then takes out his pent-up rage on Goku, kicking and stomping on his chest repeatedly.

Yeah, nothing there says Freeza won, Sorbet beat Goku and Freeza kicked the already beaten Goku.

Yes and yet with tactic, quick thinking and a little help Freeza was the one left standing while Gokus on the ground and Vegeta got vaparised reversing time dosent change the fact the fact that they still lost. I'm not argueing that Freeza would have one in the end. He couldn't have but in both fights Goku and Vegeta where beaten. Goku by being careless and Vegeta for not reacting fast enough so in a life and death fight with no rules Freeza beat them both.

There was no quick thinking of Freeza's part that kept him alive, Sorbet swooped in and saved him and as for the fight with Vegeta the quick thinking resulted in him dying.

[goku the krump dancer]

While I don't feel like this movie is bad.. I'll definitely say it's pretty pointless from reading the synopsis. Unlike BoG that expands the lore, RoF is just pointless fun (for lack of a better way to put it).


I'm still on board to go see it in theaters and even buy the DVD when it comes out.

[TheGmGoken]

Kibitoshin the only character not to die in the franchise.

King Emma, Majin Boo(How would space effect him?), and Monster Rabbit.

Depends which Buu you mean. In all fairness, Kid Buu was the true Majin Buu, and was killed by Goku. And plus considering he was in hibernation in this movie, I doubt he lived through the explosion.

Doesn't it take a lot to kill Boo? It may be easy to knock him out but to straight up kill the pink monster... quite curious on why (if he did) he died? Maybe he didn't finish regenerating.

[Hellspawn28]

Apparently they drifted throughout space somehow....it was in an interview I think somewhere.

I think Toriyama mention that they drifted into space. If they went back to Earth after the Moon got destroyed then they still died from Buu years later. I did forget about King Emma though. If Mr. Buu didn't live then he most likely died from Freeza. Golden Freeza is stronger then Buuhan, so I doubt he lived.

[WittyUsername]

Wait, shouldn't Beerus and Whis count as characters who never died either?