"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[perucho1990]

I have a feeling they're all going to be reappearing in the next tournament arc. If this plays out like a video game, they'll all have power-ups too. Hit will be able to use his assassin moves, Magetta may not be easily offended anymore, Frost *shudders* may have a golden form, etc.

Well Champa told them to better show up in the upcoming tournament Arc, their powerups would be easy to predict.

Botamo: Time-Space related technique?
Magetta: Becomes mentally stronger.
Frost: Golden Form(In the Manga Goku told him to train and reach Golden form iirc)
Cabba: SSJB
Hit: Improved timeskip like Dio Brando from JJBA.

But for the best we better get an Universe 6 Arc before the Omniverse Tournament, to develop them...

[Esfír Dedragón]

I can't believe this hate, and I mean HATE over Goten... I wonder how few people would miss him if he died and stayed dead, besides me and a certain other user on here.

I may have an "Unpopular Dragon Ball Opinion" on this...



Anyway, I heard about this so-called "Super Saiyan Rose"...

Well, then. I can see it now. Titanic-related jokes will soon arrive.

The guys at Toei or Toriyama should really lay off the idea of using more color palettes to signify such great change.

[kinisking]

I can't believe this hate, and I mean HATE over Goten... I wonder how few people would miss him if he died and stayed dead, besides me and a certain other user on here.

I haven't really seen much true hate, just apathy. I'm one of those people that don't really care for the character. His design is goku, and his personality shares a lot of traits with kid Goku. His childish enthusiasm and love for things like Gohan, flying and his dad are heart warming but he hasn't had any defining moments that make me like him.

[Bullza]

He's always just played second fiddle to Kid Trunks. I ain't particularly that fond of either but Kid Trunks was always the better character out of the two.

[Chiki]

Goku said it was similar, but different.

Yes, since Black is more evil their ki isn't the same.

Even Whis had to admit that the ki wasn't exactly the same

Yes, since Black is more evil their ki isn't the same.

Evilness can fundamentally change how one's ki feels.

Zamasu not being evil like Black was only part of it.

No other difference was mentioned when it would have been.

And why would an evil Zamasu look like Goku?

It's possible that Zamasu changed his mind partially on mortals after getting his ass kicked, now he at least respects Saiyans and their power to some extent.

And that still wouldn't explain how he knew Vegeta and why did he say, 'So, you're Son Goku', like this was the first time he personally met him.

You're right, and that is an interesting problem to solve, but I'm sure there is a solution coming up soon. It could be that some of Future Goku's memories are mixed with Zamasu's personality or something.

Also, if 'Evil Zamasu' is like Piccolo or Kami, he can't kill his good half since that would also kill him.[

That's a good point too.

[Pannaliciour]

Btw doesn't Toei make Goku very childish deliberately so that Black characterization looks better?

[Noah]

Btw doesn't Toei make Goku very childish deliberately so that Black characterization looks better?

I don't think this is the case. Goku was being portrayed as a retarded way before Black was introduced, mate.

[Dbzfan94]

I can't believe this hate, and I mean HATE over Goten... I wonder how few people would miss him if he died and stayed dead, besides me and a certain other user on here.

You rang?
But seriously why is he so hated? He's really likable as a kid and as a teen he has one of the best 'base' designs in all of Z imho. From what little we've seen of him in EOZ, Goten or Pan should've been the one that Goku trained, not Uub.

Anyway back more on topic, I actually liked Botamo and Magetta. Frost is a cheater so fuck him, and Cabba is fine but I really hope he doesn't have SSJB by the next Tournament.

[Anime Kitten]

Botamo needs more fighting skill instead of his now basically nullified invulnerability.
Frost will be more interesting since I doubt he'll cheat again.
Magetta might stand up to insults now, so hopefully he'll actually fight.
Cabba actually better have Super Saiyan Blue, at the very LEAST Super Saiyan 2.
Hit... we all know he'll be awesome.

[Xeztin]

I can't believe this hate, and I mean HATE over Goten... I wonder how few people would miss him if he died and stayed dead, besides me and a certain other user on here.

You rang?
But seriously why is he so hated? He's really likable as a kid and as a teen he has one of the best 'base' designs in all of Z imho. From what little we've seen of him in EOZ, Goten or Pan should've been the one that Goku trained, not Uub.

Anyway back more on topic, I actually liked Botamo and Magetta. Frost is a cheater so fuck him, and Cabba is fine but I really hope he doesn't have SSJB by the next Tournament.

I like Goten and actually still have hope that somehow he is made relevant with a connection to Black. I'm guessing all the hate comes from him not being a fighting maniac.

[Anime Kitten]

I like Goten and actually still have hope that somehow he is made relevant with a connection to Black. I'm guessing all the hate comes from him not being a fighting maniac.

It's always the same old, "He's a clone of Goku" and "He has no character" stuff. Which pretty much sickens me.

[fadeddreams5]

Not only will Goten never be relevant again, but Toei or whoever forgot what his personality even is. He's being treated like Kid Gohan if Kid Gohan never participated in anything, and he's noticeably smarter than in DBZ. They sapped him of what little he had.

[Nejishiki]

Wouldn't his intelligence just be development? Chi-Chi is currently educating him now that she has extra money. Yes, she didn't place priority over it at first, but I imagine Gohan moving out and having one success made her quite greedy for another. Just as Goku is never satisfied with his overall strength, Chi-Chi won't be satisfied with one genius. They're quite the couple for each other. It would appear that she fails as indicated by the ending, or at least he doesn't make it obvious he's above-average in intelligence. In either case, isn't this what we want? That is, characters not remaining stagnant?

[fadeddreams5]

Wouldn't his intelligence just be development? Chi-Chi is currently educating him now that she has extra money. Yes, she didn't place priority over it at first, but I imagine Gohan moving out and having one success made her quite greedy for another. Just as Goku is never satisfied with his overall strength, Chi-Chi won't be satisfied with one genius. They're quite the couple for each other. It would appear that she fails as indicated by the ending, or at least he doesn't make it obvious he's above-average in intelligence. In either case, isn't this what we want? That is, characters not remaining stagnant?

I mean, it could be development...if we actually saw him develop or witnessed Chi Chi having some sort of epiphany. When a character just abruptly changes, I don't view that as development. We can make theories like Chi Chi saw Gohan's success and wants Goten to replicate him, but that's never stated or implied. She simply went from training Goten and being lenient with him in other areas (hence why he was a bit of a dimwit) to forcing him to study non-stop... out of the blue.

In reality, this is just an excuse to keep him off-screen.

[Nejishiki]

We didn't see much of Chi-Chi training Goten either nor her decision to take it easy with his childhood in times of peace, so I don't see the harm in connecting the dots in their change of behavior. That also just happened off-panel/screen. Toriyama is notorious for leaving specific details out of sight for the reader/viewer. Does it have to be an excuse and not simply the direction writers wish to take?

[Xeztin]

Goten being giving the cold shoulder in this arc makes me think he's going to be used somehow someway. Like Chi-Chi pulling him down when he tried to go after Trunks and such. Trunks seems to be a bit taken back by his Future counterpart, he may even start taking training seriously just to impress Mai. I really hope Goten has a major role or at least is a key to something in this arc. I'm really hoping they do something like this and shatter the EoZ possibility.

[dbzfan7]

Not only will Goten never be relevant again, but Toei or whoever forgot what his personality even is. He's being treated like Kid Gohan if Kid Gohan never participated in anything, and he's noticeably smarter than in DBZ. They sapped him of what little he had.

Again? He was relevant before? He always seemed to be just the second half of Gotenks, and nothing else. Even Trunks struggles and he has screen time. They're essentially poorly utilized child surrogate characters.

[fadeddreams5]

Not only will Goten never be relevant again, but Toei or whoever forgot what his personality even is. He's being treated like Kid Gohan if Kid Gohan never participated in anything, and he's noticeably smarter than in DBZ. They sapped him of what little he had.

Again? He was relevant before? He always seemed to be just the second half of Gotenks, and nothing else. Even Trunks struggles and he has screen time. They're essentially poorly utilized child surrogate characters.

Well, there were the Broly movies. : )

[Dbzfan94]

Goten being giving the cold shoulder in this arc makes me think he's going to be used somehow someway. Like Chi-Chi pulling him down when he tried to go after Trunks and such. Trunks seems to be a bit taken back by his Future counterpart, he may even start taking training seriously just to impress Mai. I really hope Goten has a major role or at least is a key to something in this arc. I'm really hoping they do something like this and shatter the EoZ possibility.

I really like EOZ Goten, so I'm kinda hoping that stays. He isn't shown to be dim witted there so it could just be subtle development. Also I'm holding out for Goten playing a role (even just meeting Black or something) but i doubt it

[Anime Kitten]

Again with the "second half of Gotenks" thing. I've never seen this much hate over a good (by which I mean affiliation) character. Jaco is irrelevant now. Monaka is irrelevant now. Hercule is unfortunately almost as relevant as Goku, Vegeta, and Bulma.