The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Silkman3003]

Whose the strongest Z character, Anime Krillin(from the end of Buu saga) can beat?

[Saiga]

I really have no idea, but I'd say First Form Freeza, maybe.

[Pantalones]

Depends on how high you think Krillin got by the end, I guess. Some people still have him absurdly, unrealistically low (like "not even surpassing Ginyu by the end" low) by that point... others have him probably a bit too high, I've seen guesses as high as the tens of millions (and I'm sure someone's put him even higher than that, though I haven't personally seen anyone do it in any of the power level lists I've seen.)

I'm guessing he probably at least reached the single-digit millions in the Androids/Cell saga, though he may have slipped a bit in the Buu saga due to not training much if at all in the seven-year gap. I doubt he ever got anywhere near strong enough to have a chance at beating full-power Freeza, #19, or #20 in a fair fight, though (in other words, not just chopping them in half with a sneaky Kienzan. Though Freeza has shown that he can survive being cut in half depending on how he gets cut in half, and it might not work at all on #19 or #20, considering that they're fully mechanical and Gero could survive as just a head...)

I'd say he at least got strong enough to completely embarrass first-form Freeza and beat second-form Freeza without much (if any) trouble. I don't know exactly how strong I would make Krillin during the Androids/Cell saga, but I figure if he could easily beat second-form Freeza he'd probably be strong enough to beat third-form Freeza, too (though depending on exactly how strong he is, that one might be a real fight.) And even if he didn't quite get that far, he should've at least been close enough that he could've gotten beyond that point if he didn't settle down and give up on fighting after Cell.

[dprez]

I see manga Kuririn at being around 200-300 thousand by the cell games. At the end of the boo saga I have him around the same level of power really, since he lived with 18 and Roshi, who I think wouldn't just let him completely let himself go, so I'm sure he stayed in shape over the ten years.

For the anime it's really anyone's guess. I think since 2nd form Freeza impaled Kuririn back on namek, that if they fought again, end of boo saga Kuririn would stomp this over 1,000,000 form of Freeza, but 3rd form would probably be to much for him.

[FNF]

Well Krillin/Goku only discover that Krillin's of no use against Babidi's men after Dabura's introduced and remember they were already expecting the henchmen to be stronger than Freeza. Going by that Krillin's already implied to be able to beat 100% Freeza.

[Silkman3003]

In the anime, didn't Krillin tie with Yamcha in the other world? The same Yamcha who had no trouble with Olibu? The same Olibu who wasn't doing too badly against base pikkon? The same base pikkon who ROFL stomped frieza and king cold?

Sorry about repeatedly mentioning "the same". I wont mention Cell since that's another can of worms lol

He also survived this. But take it for what you will lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0gcNPrs ... re=related

[In Brightest Day]

A few years ago, I was fairly militant on the side of humans absolutely, unequivocally being in the low millions by the Android arc. Now days, I don't really mind so much. I don't think theirs enough proof to definitely say where the Earthlings ended up getting power wise. My only rules I have for them is that Yamcha, the third strongest of the three main Earthling Z-Fighters is at least at Recoome's level after his training with King Kai, and that Krillin surpassed Tenshinhan after Namek.

Well Krillin/Goku only discover that Krillin's of no use against Babidi's men after Dabura's introduced and remember they were already expecting the henchmen to be stronger than Freeza. Going by that Krillin's already implied to be able to beat 100% Freeza.

Not quite sure how that makes Kuririn > Freeza?

[CatouttaHell]

Well Krillin/Goku only discover that Krillin's of no use against Babidi's men after Dabura's introduced and remember they were already expecting the henchmen to be stronger than Freeza. Going by that Krillin's already implied to be able to beat 100% Freeza.

Agreed, broseph. All four Earthlings except for maybe Chaozu are probably above 100% Freeza at this point in time as insane as that is IMO.

Kuririn > Tenshinhan is implied to still be in effect, and Tenshinhan himself has powered up so much that his Kikoho went from knocking down Second Form Cell, to making him comparable to SSjin 3 Goku in Gotenks-Boo's mind...

[Saiga]

Well Krillin/Goku only discover that Krillin's of no use against Babidi's men after Dabura's introduced and remember they were already expecting the henchmen to be stronger than Freeza. Going by that Krillin's already implied to be able to beat 100% Freeza.

Agreed, broseph. All four Earthlings except for maybe Chaozu are probably above 100% Freeza at this point in time as insane as that is IMO.

Kuririn > Tenshinhan is implied to still be in effect, and Tenshinhan himself has powered up so much that his Kikoho went from knocking down Second Form Cell, to making him comparable to SSjin 3 Goku in Gotenks-Boo's mind...

Bootenks never compares him to SS3 Goku, that's ridiculous.

[Son_Gohan]

Well Krillin/Goku only discover that Krillin's of no use against Babidi's men after Dabura's introduced and remember they were already expecting the henchmen to be stronger than Freeza. Going by that Krillin's already implied to be able to beat 100% Freeza.

Not quite sure how that makes Kuririn > Freeza?

It's the same logic that would have you believe that the humans were stronger than 100% Freeza because they came along with the others to fight an enemy that Trunks had hyped 3 years prior as being stronger than him.

[Nineteen]

Less a versus debate and more an attempt to get everyone's opinion on a certain power set:

Dr.Gero/Android 20 manages to get the drop on Garlic Jr. post-Makyo Star visitation. He wraps his hands around Garlic's mouth and uses his overwhelming power advantage to stick to him like a fly on a gluetrap.

Then he begins to drain Garlic's power.

Will Garlic Jr. eventually die? Will Gero explode from overconsumption? Will he just drain Garlic to '0'? What happens next?

[Saiga]

Less a versus debate and more an attempt to get everyone's opinion on a certain power set:

Dr.Gero/Android 20 manages to get the drop on Garlic Jr. post-Makyo Star visitation. He wraps his hands around Garlic's mouth and uses his overwhelming power advantage to stick to him like a fly on a gluetrap.

Then he begins to drain Garlic's power.

Will Garlic Jr. eventually die? Will Gero explode from overconsumption? Will he just drain Garlic to '0'? What happens next?

Garlic passes out from lack of energy and Gero stops, I presume. He's immortal, so he won't die, but I don't think he would have infinite energy.

[dario03]

Less a versus debate and more an attempt to get everyone's opinion on a certain power set:

Dr.Gero/Android 20 manages to get the drop on Garlic Jr. post-Makyo Star visitation. He wraps his hands around Garlic's mouth and uses his overwhelming power advantage to stick to him like a fly on a gluetrap.

Then he begins to drain Garlic's power.

Will Garlic Jr. eventually die? Will Gero explode from overconsumption? Will he just drain Garlic to '0'? What happens next?

i've been wondering about something similar to this. What would happen if a immortal like Garlic Jr used a attack that drained life energy or self destructed. How powerful could the attack be? Could he kill himself?

[Kaboom]

Garlic passes out from lack of energy and Gero stops, I presume. He's immortal, so he won't die, but I don't think he would have infinite energy.

I agree. Garlic doesn't die, but he does eventually run out of energy for Gero to absorb.

[dbgtFO]

Yet Vegeta says that they could've easily taken care of Dabra, since they apparently could tell his full power just by looking at his movements outside, but then calls Kibito a bumbler. Even though Kibito would've been killed either way. Wouldn't Vegeta have acknowledged that?

They couldn't tell his full power and Goku was the one who suggested Dabra might have been holding back(which he was right about). Vegeta simply based his claim on what Dabra had shown so far, which turned out to be far from his actual abilities, but Vegeta didn't know that.

The quotes for reference:

Vegeta: “Hmph…The way things are going, this ‘Majin Boo’ guy isn’t going to be anything special, is he? Just like that ‘Dabra’ jerk…[ ] I’m saying that this ‘Dabra’ guy doesn’t seem as bad as you two feared. Looking at his attacks and movement outside earlier, it seems that if we just watch out for his spit, then we should manage something. I can’t call Kibito anything but a bumbler for getting done-in like that…”
Kaioshin: “…Is-is that true, Son Goku?...”
Goku: “Yeah…Well, even if that wasn’t him at full force…I think that before he would have been a frightening opponent, but…7 years ago there was a guy called ‘Cell’…[Dabra]’s probably about as strong as him…”

[Piccolo Daimao]

Right, well, I concede my point, then. I was basically arguing for argument's sake, and trying to point out that a lot of lines in the Boo arc don't make sense, due to its piss-poor writing.

[CatouttaHell]

Bootenks never compares him to SS3 Goku, that's ridiculous.

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P7.1
Context: talking to Goku after knocking out Tenshinhan
Boo: “…That guy just now was apparently quite a master, but he was reduced to that state in just 1 one kick…You’re making some worthless boasts…Frankly, no matter what you try, you absolutely won’t be able to even inflict damage on me.”

To me that sounds like he's basically saying "that guy was a master and I took him out in one hit, what could YOU possibly do considering that?"

Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho must've been absolutely beastly for Gotenks-Boo to brag about K.O.'ing him to Son Goku IMO.

[Piccolo Daimao]

You really do over-analyze the fuck out of some statements, don't you?

[CatouttaHell]

You really do get touchy over every other thing I post for some reason, don't you?

[VegettoEX]

Knock off the snippy responses, you two -- not how you agreed to conduct yourselves.