Miracles wrote:ZenkaiBoosts wrote:Plot power or plot armor is the reason why Jiren was such an OP character to begin with lol
ssj3kakarot wrote:The thing is, UI needed to occur to even compete against Jiren's plot power in the 1st place. The fact that we have such a weak back story on Jiren and how he got so strong is the real swanky thing. How many rock bottom circumstances have the Z-fighters been in, and they are just recently getting to these crazy power levels that we are witnessing. But they needed a "superman", type character that is such a John Cena, that something like Ultra Instinct becomes the only choice to go toe-to-toe.
Jirens power is definite plot power. I like the concept of U.I. However, I disklike how Goku achieved it. Someone else said it's kinda ridiculous that a form that is suppose to dodge and counter every threat is only achieved by getting your face punched in over and over.
Hold up...Jiren is an already established powerhouse. He came in on the scene stronger than Belmound.
Now, How Goku is surpassing Jiren, is plot power. Through random/friendship power ups. Just like a typical main caster.
BTW, Jiren was only stated to be stronger than Belmound. That does not mean greater than the other gods people. Everyone is so jumpy to fight authority and the power. Just like in real life, too bad.
Everything severs a narrative. Just like Jiren being so OP served the narrative
It's strange to act like "plot armor" doesn't apply to everything. The story drives everything
If Jiren is some how able to compete with MUI Goku, then that's an asspull if anything. That's giving Jiren more "plot armor"
How many times can Jiren say "ok, now I'm really going full power this time"
Your description of Goku's "power ups" is very telling.
Goku was forced to break his limits to avoid being killed by his own spirit bomb. Suprisingly very brutal.
Goku awakened Omen because of an internal struggle from within himself to resist death via his own attack.
That struggle that ripped apart Goku from the seams allowed Goku to fully separate body from mind and start the basics of Instinctual fighting i.e UI
It took every ounce of Goku's soul and will power to resist, and that took Goku to another level
And on top of that, Goku still needed to awaken Omen 2 more seperate times just to get a firm grasp of it.
Goku surpassing his limits is what the arc was about. Goku surpassing his limits and mastering UI was forshadowed again and again. None of it came out of now where, like Jiren being so strong just because.
Toppo even warned Jiren about Goku "Son Goku continues to grow stronger"
Goku then finally achieved MUI through an intense crazy battle where Goku was continually being pushed past his limits again, where the more Goku remained in his 3rd awakened state of Omen, the more Goku kept roaring, the more Goku kept improving, the more heat and energy Goku kept building up from within himself, the more and more Goku entered into a flow state and a total zen state of mind, until it all came to a boiling point as Goku was on the verge of being eliminated again, where the water couldn't boil anymore and Goku just finally erupted into his glorious MUI transformation. It was all handled brilliantly.
It all built up to that point.
In fact, Goku's Omen awakenings and MUI transformation are the best handled, most logically explained, well built up transformations ever in Dragon Ball history.
It's was all so brilliant. Toriyama's writing was flawless and Toei nailed it with perfect execution.
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