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Post by apex_pretador » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:55 am

Some battles from cell & buu arc:

1. SS goku, SS gohan (Cell games) , SS vegeta (pre majin) , piccolo (buu arc) vs FP PC (no regeneration)

2. SS trunks (buu arc, pre HTC) vs CG future trunks

3. SS goten & trunks (pre) vs 2 Cell Jrs

4. SS gohan (buu arc) vs 2 cell jrs

5. Super bojack vs SS goku & SS Vegeta (post majin)

6. Dabura & SS2 adult gohan vs SS2 kid gohan
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apex_pretador wrote:Some battles from cell & buu arc:

1. SS goku, SS gohan (Cell games) , SS vegeta (pre majin) , piccolo (buu arc) vs FP PC (no regeneration)

2. SS trunks (buu arc, pre HTC) vs CG future trunks

3. SS goten & trunks (pre) vs 2 Cell Jrs

4. SS gohan (buu arc) vs 2 cell jrs

5. Super bojack vs SS goku & SS Vegeta (post majin)

6. Dabura & SS2 adult gohan vs SS2 kid gohan
1. All of them are ants to Cell, they all get squashed.
2. Kid Trunks stomps. I doubt CG Trunks would give any trouble whatsoever to pre-Majin Vegeta.
3. The kids stomp. The Cell Kids are only around CG Trunks and Vegeta.
4. I think Gohan could probably take 3 or maybe even 4 Cell Kids, 2 don't stand a chance.
5. I consider Super Bojack around Perfect Cell, so Goku and Vegeta get squashed once again.
6. Kid Gohan kills Dabra with a single punch, and then easily pounds on his older self.

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apex_pretador wrote:Some battles from cell & buu arc:

1. SS goku, SS gohan (Cell games) , SS vegeta (pre majin) , piccolo (buu arc) vs FP PC (no regeneration)

2. SS trunks (buu arc, pre HTC) vs CG future trunks

3. SS goten & trunks (pre) vs 2 Cell Jrs

4. SS gohan (buu arc) vs 2 cell jrs

5. Super bojack vs SS goku & SS Vegeta (post majin)

6. Dabura & SS2 adult gohan vs SS2 kid gohan
1. It'd be a tough fight, but I'd give it to the Super Saiyans, even if Cell could regenerate.
2. Future Trunks takes it. Even if it was (post RoSaT) Kid Trunks, I'd give Future Trunks a slight power advantage, and a huge advantage in skill, experience, and not f*cking around.
3. My answer to the previous question should make my thoughts pretty clear on this.
4. Gohan's gonna have a tough time, but he'd probably come out on top eventually.
5. By the time of the Boo Arc, Goku and Majin Vegeta wouldn't far off from Perfect Cell in their Super Saiyan forms, so the two of them together would wreck Bojack.
6. Kid Gohan's gonna win, but he'll have to work for it.
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Steven Bloodriver wrote:If Son Gohan had trained with Piccolo following the Cell Games how far could this hypothetical Gohan go if he were to have fought all of the same opposition he had faced after defeating Cell (Perfect Full Power) in canon?
I'd say he'd be significantly stronger than either Goku or Vegeta ended up in equivalent forms. He could take down full-power Perfect Cell with just Super Saiyan, but it would be a tough fight. "Super Perfect" Cell would still require Super Saiyan 2, but the "fight" would be incredibly one-sided.
nickzambuto wrote:Goku vs Yajirobe in the ultimate eating contest to finally settle the score. Who can suck more food down their greedy pig throats before falling asleep?
Yajirobe has an advantage at first, but Goku can just keep going and going long after Yajirobe's full.
mirai.popo wrote:1) PUI PUI vs JEICE and BUTTER
2) Paikuhan vs perfect CELL (before-zenkai boost)
3) a pair of CELL JR vs GOTEN and TRUNKS (without fusion)
4) FREEZA (namek saga) vs ABO and KADO
6) YAJIROBI vs TAO PAI PAI
7) REJJIK (GT) vs Perfect CELL (before-zenkai boost)
8) Guldo vs Para Para Brothers (GT)
1) I usually give Pui-Pui some extra credit as "one of the universe's strongest warriors" as Kaioshin put it. My estimation of his power keeps bouncing back and forth between Oozaru Vegeta and 1st-form Freeza. Either way, he easily picks apart both Butta and Jheese at the same time.
2) If Paikuhan somehow beat "Super Perfect" Cell, then this somewhat weaker version is no match either.
3) The Cell Juniors have a slight power advantage, and the kids probably don't have the fighting skills to make up for it.
4) Depends on which form of Freeza. Avo and Cado are mostly likely around Freeza's 1st form in power, so they could definitely take that form of Freeza down while working together, and possibly his 2nd and 3rd forms too. But I think true-form Freeza at any shown power percentage could beat them both easily unless they merged.
5) ...Uh, no #5, I guess?
6) Yajirobe beats regular Tao Pai Pai, but would probably lose to the cyborg version.
7) By GT logic, as someone strong enough to force our almighty lord and savior Goku to use Super Saiyan, Redgic wins easily against Cell. By normal logic, he's just an abnormally strong space dude and shouldn't stand a chance.
8) I dunno, I don't think the Para Para Bros gave us any real indication of their strength in my memory. GT logic probably dictates they're stronger than most Z characters including Gurd, though.
Hot Rod wrote:Goku and Vegeta beyond Gods (from Dragon Ball Online, moments before they leave Earth for good - Age 801) vs Beerus and Wiss.
Dragon Ball Online was before the new movies and Super's time, and Super doesn't seem to have any intention of including events from it. Even if we tried to force them together, we have no idea how Super will end and how powerful Goku and Vegeta could end up by the time DBO says they departed. So it's very inconclusive.
apex_pretador wrote:FUSION DANCE VS CHARACTER :
1. saibamen dance vs dodoria
2. cell Jr dance vs ultimate gohan
3. krillin goku (BoDB) vs daimao
4. nail - piccolo vs 2nd form freeza
5. roshi - crane hermit vs raditz
6. base gotenks pre vs FP PC
1. Gonna give this to Dodoria. I don't think even the Fusion Dance is going to do much for two little barely-intelligent creatures who are literally just grown on the spot as battle fodder.
2. Gohan. Same kind of deal as with the Saibaimen; I think Fusion has a lot more to do with abstract unification of potential rather than any mathematical boost.
3. Gonna give it to Piccolo. "Gokurin" would be hella powerful but I don't think he'd quite measure up to the Demon King.
4. You mean if their fight had continued? I like to think Piccolo would have prevailed.
5. I can't NOT give this to the merged old hermits. They're even "rivals" like Goku and Vegeta.
6. Gotenks gets his ass utterly whooped. He needs Super Saiyan to have enough power to bring Cell down, and even then he can only do it if he fights seriously and carefully, which isn't likely.
apex_pretador wrote:POTARA VS CHARACTER :
1. SS3 vegetto vs SS3 gokuhan
2. piccolo x nail vs pre death vegeta
3. CG vegetrunks SS vs buuhan
4. cui x dodoria vs 1st form freeza
5. Tenshinhan x krillin vs piccolo , CG
6. ozaru nappageta vs 2nd form freeza
7. GT SS3 vegetto vs beerus
1. I'm thinking victory goes to Vegetto. He was touted as "definitely strongest" even after the prospect of a Goku-Gohan Fusion was discussed, and I presume that would carry over when both of them use Super Saiyan 3, too. Plus, I think Gohan's rearranged power would probably make transformations work a lot differently for "Kuhan" anyway, so his potential strength as a SS3 is kind of a crap-shoot.
2. Hard to say. No real way of knowing how much more effective a Potara Fusion would be than the Namekian merger Nail and Piccolo underwent.
3. If Vegetrunks somehow manages to gain Super Saiyan 2, then he may be able to win. I don't think he's quite strong enough without it.
4. I think Freeza would still win this. I don't think Zarbon and Dodoria would make a very good match for Fusion.
5. Even with Potara the Earthlings don't even come close.
6. Vegeta and Nappa are so dissimilar in size and power that they don't make a particularly good Potara Fusion. Oozaru might let them put up a bit of a fight, but Freeza still wins.
7. Shoot, man, it's GT. I don't know.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Piccolo (Cell Games) with Kaioken x10 runs the gaunlet :
Bonus : Piccolo runs the gaunlet again,except this time,he is now Kaioken x20,will he clear ?
With the Kaio-Ken x10, Piccolo clears the list up to SS3 Goku, who has a massive power advantage over him. With the x20, he's still a little short of SS3 Goku and can't win.
ekrolo2 wrote:Majin Perfect Cell vs Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Cell Games)
The "majin" boost is just Bobbidi bringing out someone's dormant power... and we don't really know what Cell has going for him in that department. But even if it only boosts him a little bit, that would still put him ahead of Gohan and probably guarantee him the win.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Hypothetical Golden Freeza (Namek Arc) vs. 2nd Form Cooler
I don't think Freeza's "Golden" form really has any assignable multiplier or anything... it's just something he developed to help power him up as part of his training. No real way of telling what it'd do for him if he just randomly crafted it back in his pre-death days.
nickzambuto wrote:Saiyans arc: Post-Oozaru Vegeta vs Nappa.
Vegeta might technically have an edge in raw amount of ki/PL... but he's so injured and battle-worn that I'd bet Nappa would be able to beat him anyway. Just look at Vegeta when he was desperately trying to finish off the heroes... his attacks at this point are so relatively pathetic that Nappa could probably tank them and easily counter-attack.
Hot Rod wrote:Post-Saiyan arc Great Ape Nappa vs Vegeta.
Not sure what you mean by "post Saiyan arc" for Nappa... as if he'd been healed from his injuries and reaped a healing boost? As an Oozaru he'd probably be at least 50,000 or so and able to (literally) stomp Vegeta unless he also went Oozaru.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Another gaunlet. SSj Goten vs...
Goten hits an impassable brick wall against Piccolo. They're on the same level of power in my book, but Piccolo is so much more skilled and experienced that he's able to easily win every time.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Genos (One-Punch Man) vs. 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai
Genos decides to participate during the hardest year of the Tenkaichi Budokai. How far does he go?
My gut tells me the absolute farthest Genos would get is taking down his fellow cyborg, Tao Pai Pai (and maybe take down Yamcha too by some fluke). Anyone stronger than that is going to turn him into modern art.
Darkron2151 wrote:SSJ Goten (Post ROSAT) vs. SSJ Gohan (Beginning of Buu Arc)
South Kaioshin (Anime) vs. SSJ3 Goku (Buu Arc/Dead Body)
Hypothetical SSJ Future Trunks (Buu Arc) vs. SSJ Kid Trunks (Pre ROSAT) (What if Future Trunks came back during the events of Buu Arc. Do you all think he got significantly stronger or not at all?)
Mighty Mask (SSJ) vs. Piccolo (Buu Arc) (Is Mighty Mask's Costume that much of a hindrance?)
Hypothetical SSJ3 Gogeta (BOG) vs. SSJ Vegetto (Buu Arc)
— Sparring is one thing, but in a serious fight, Gohan's got enough of a skill, experience, and power advantage to make short work of his little brother.
— Normally I'd say filler South Kaioshin could just hold out until Goku's SS3 gives out on him, but if that's not a factor in this fight then it's a toss-up.
— I say Future Trunks was already about as strong as his Boo-arc kid self during the Cell Games, and definitely became a good chunk stronger between then and when we saw him kill his Cell. Li'l Trunks goes down like a bitch.
— Without the costume, the two Super Saiyan kids working together could beat Piccolo. But with it... no, I think they'd probably be tripping over each other a bit too much.
— Goku and Vegeta's power gains between Boo and Battle of Gods would be moderate, and I think even in the Boo arc Super Saiyan 3 for Gogeta would be overkill against Super Vegetto.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:- Kid Gohan (Saiyan Arc,Battle w/ Vegeta) vs. Bardock (DB Minus)
- SSj Goku (Boo Arc) vs. LSSj Broli (Movie 8 )
- Kibito vs. Yakon
- Goku (Post Healing Machine, No Kaioken) vs. Vegeta (Trunks Arrival)
- Shisami (DBS) vs. Recoome
- Perfect Cell (Surpressed vs.Goku) vs. Kaioshin
- SSj2 Vegeta (Pre Majin) vs. Kibitoshin
- SSj2 Vegeta (Pre Majin) vs. SSj2 Kid Gohan (Cell Games)
- SSj Gotenks (Pre ROSAT) vs. Grey Boo
- Piccolo (Boo Arc) vs. Cell Junior
- Hypothetical SSj3 Gogeta (Boo Arc) vs. Ultimate Gohan
- Hypothetical SSj3 Gogeta (Boo Arc) vs. Bootenks
— For the somewhat-weaker "Toriyama's Bardock," I just chop his power level from the TV special in half. So he ends up packing a power between 4,000 and 5,000. That puts him on par with Nappa, and we all saw just how little Gohan was able to do against that, even when enraged. Bardock might not have Nappa's durability, but he definitely strikes me as a less complacent and more capable fighter. Gohan gets wrecked.
— I consider Movie 8 Broli to be on-par with full-power Cell, and regular Super Saiyan Goku still isn't quite strong enough to match that. He needs Super Saiyan 2, which makes it very easy.
— They're similar in power in my book, but I have doubts about Kibito's fighting skills. I think he loses.
— My gut tells me that Goku still has a bit of a power advantage and wins.
— Unlike in the movie version, Shisami in Super didn't really do anything impressive, so it's hard to tell if he improved at all beyond the "about the same as Zarbon/Dodoria" level. For now I'll assume he didn't and Recoome beats him.
— Kaioshin's a notch weaker than Goku was at the Cell Games, and Cell beats him rather easily.
— Kaiohin has a power advantage, and it might be large enough to make up for Vegeta's definitely superior fighting skills.
— Could go either way. Gohan may have a little bit more power, but Vegeta would be more skilled and tough.
— I think Gotenks would still be a little outclassed in power. He'd fall right between Good Boo and Pure Evil Boo. After the Room of Spirit and Time is a very different case.
— Piccolo's made only moderate improvements. He has a shot at defeating a Junior, but not a very big one.
— Even regular Super Gogeta in my book would be on-par with Gohan-Boo and able to easily smoke Ultimate Gohan. Super Saiyan 3 is massive overkill.
— Ditto. Super Saiyan 2 is all Gogeta needs to claim an easy victory. Level 3 is excessive.
Berserker1921 wrote:1.Super buu absorbed (vegito, gogeta ssj3, ultimate gohan, gotenks ssj3, and piccolo) vs Final form Freeza (RoF)
2. Buuieza vs 70% Beerus?
3. Piccolo (RoF) porta fusion with Paikan (dbz filler) vs fat boo?
4. Hidregann and Janemba vs Buuhan?
1. For the time being, I don't think Freeza shoots ahead to the power range of the gods until he goes Gold. In his normal form, my gut tells me he's in the Evil Boo range. This version of of Boo is insanely overpowered (mostly from Vegetto and Gogeta) and may even be a match for Golden Freeza.
2. Based on the same explanation as above, "Evil Boo + non-Golden Freeza" doesn't yield enough power to contend with the gods.
3. I don't think Piccolo and Paikuhan are quite ideal as Potara Fusion partners (similar races and builds, but big power difference). But perfect match or not, I think they're still safely above Fat Boo when merged.
4. They're all similar in power in my book, so Hirudy and Janemba's numbers give them an advantage. The question is whether either of them are smart enough to figure out how to finish Boo off. Janemba would probably get the idea before long.
ShadowDude112 wrote:Arale Norimaki vs Beerus at 100% power. I feel like my girl Arale would win, but what do you guys think?
BoG Goku pre-SSG vs Perfect Cell. Since Beerus said that Goku would have to go SSJ to beat Freeza at that point, would Goku need to go to SSJ2 to beat Cell still? Or is his regular Super Saiyan form enough?
Abocado vs Final Form Freeza 100% power Namek arc
— Arale has toonforce power backing her... She can beat anyone as long as it's funny. I can see her stalemating Beerus in a hilarious and highly-destructive showdown.
— Super Saiyan Goku MIGHT be able to beat full-power Cell by now, but it's not a sure thing.
— I don't think Aka quite measures up... he's closer to 50% Freeza than 100%. Freeza can beat him easily as long as he does it quickly.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Golden Freeza, with the form mastered, vs. Champa.
Mastering the form itself to get rid of its weakness wouldn't necessarily make Freeza any stronger. He's still outclassed by either Beerus or Champa.
Noah wrote:- Golden Freeza (Super/No stamina issues) x SSGSS Goku (Super) & SSGSS Vegeta (Super)
- Vados x Beerus (Full power) & Champa (Full power)
— If Freeza's any stronger than SSGSS Goku or Vegeta, it's only by a tiny bit. Even without his stamina problems, he can't beat both of them at once.
— The jury's still very much out on what Vados can do. Pass.
Hot Rod wrote:Majin Janemba vs Baby Hatchiyack.
Uh... *flips a coin* Janemba wins.
ShadowBardock89 wrote:Raditz vs. Raspberry
Nappa vs. Appule
If Saiyans are supposed to be stronger than average compared to most races, and Raspberry and Appule are both "average" Freeza soldiers, then I'd say the Saiyans win both of these matches. Raditz might have a bit of a hard time though.
Berserker1921 wrote:Hatchiyack Vs Darbura?
Broly (movie 8 ) and Bojack vs Super Perfect Cell?
Hypothetical baby golden Freeza vs Champa?
Golden Cell vs Ssj blue Vegito?
Golden Freeza, Cooler, Cold vs Beerus?
— Hachiyak probably has the power advantage, but Dabra might be able to make up for it with magic tricks.
— I think Cell's got a bit too much of a power advantage. The duo's chances are slim.
— "Golden Cell" isn't a thing and I'm not gonna try to make it a thing. The "Golden" form is something Freeza specially crafted for himself, not something with a predictable power boost you can just apply to any other character.
— Assuming Coola and Cold likewise improved up to Freeza's level and devised similar "golden" forms along the way, then the three of them together could take down Beerus.
Zombie wrote:Beerus [90% FP] vs Monaka
Beerus [80% FP] vs Golden Freeza [No stamina issues]
Beerus [70% FP] vs SSB Goku [RoF arc]
I'd bet that Beerus squeaks out a win in all three matches.
Berserker1921 wrote:Omega shenron porta fusion with Golden Freeza vs Whis?
Ssj blue vegito vs whis and vados (no time manipulation)?
Piccolo (fuses with young Kami, young piccolo sr, nail, and slug) vs Tagoma after training with Freeza?
Ssj blue Trunken vs ssj God vegito?
Buuieza vs Ssj God Vegito?
Ssj2 vegeta (pre majin) vs super perfect cell?
— Normally I don't touch "GT vs Gods" match-ups with a 9,000-foot pole, but this one seems clear-cut enough. Even if the Potara fusion makes this monstrosity only a few times stronger, it'll be significantly more powerful than Whis. Almost certainly enough to overcome his fighting skills.
— We don't know how compatible Fusion is with god-ki, if it is at all. If it just adds Goku and Vegeta's powers together, the result will be right there on Whis and Vados' level, but not strong enough to defeat them both at once. If it's less, Vegetto gets his butt kicked. If it's more, he probably wins. Can't really make a call on it.
— Well, let's see... I don't know what merging with King Piccolo would do for him, but let's assume it's the same as Kami and just doubles his power. Nail and Slug, as fellow Warrior-types, would grant the really big increases. The problem is that I'm not sure how strong Tagoma is supposed to be, since unlike Shisami in the movie Piccolo was pretty darn helpless against him. No good answer to this one either.
— Again, something we can't really predict. Pass.
— Ditto.
— Ah, finally a straightforward one... I'm going to give it to Cell. He's probably still a tiny bit more powerful, and skilled enough that Vegeta can't really make up for it. Plus there's that pesky regeneration.
apex_pretador wrote:A) Piccolo vs humans (Tenshinhan, krillin, yamcha , chiatzu , yajirobe )
I'll assume these are all at equal points in time... In which case the only periods at which the Earthlings stand a chance are the 23rd tournament and Saiyan arc, and maybe against Old King Piccolo too. Even in all those cases they'd be relying on Tenshinhan and the Kikoho. After Namek, the Earthlings' power growth hit a plateau, while Piccolo shot up into the Super Saiyan leagues of power and totally left them in his dust.
apex_pretador wrote:B) Goku vs humans (Tenshinhan, krillin, yamcha , chiatzu , yajirobe )
Same basic deal as with Piccolo, except Goku's already too far ahead of them when he returns to life and fights Nappa, one notch sooner than Piccolo. Super Saiyan 3 Goku in the Boo arc is so astronomically far ahead of them that even Potara and the Kaio-Ken doesn't let them stand a chance... a Kuririn-Tenshinhan Potara Fusion using a Kikoho fueled by the Kaio-Ken x10 would just make him mildly uncomfortable.
nickzambuto wrote:Create a scenario in which Jheese can legitimately defeat Beerus.
A "most glamorous hair" contest.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Majin Super Hatchiyack vs. [Boo-arc people]
Hachiyak was "stronger than (movie 8) Broli," right? If he gets a decent boost from Bobbidi on top of that, then... I guess he'd probably beat Kaioshin, but anyone stronger than that could beat him. Like others have said, he's an artificially-created being and probably doesn't have a lot going for him in dormant power.
AvatarReiko wrote:LSSJ Broly(Movie 8) vs Hatchiyack, Full Power Bojack
EoZ Pan vs Chi-Chi(23rd) & Videl
Imperfect Cell(Nikki Town) vs SSJ Trunks & Goten(Pre)
Fat Buu vs SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Teen Gohan, Majin Vegeta, SPC
SSJ Majin Vegeta vs SSJ Gohan(25th Budokai), Piccolo
Cyborg 19 & 20 vs 15 & 14
17 & 18 vs Android Saga Z-Senshi (with knowledge e.g. fighting capabilities and etc)
— Broli's against 2 people who are at least on the same strength level as him. He gets crushed.
— Pan's still very young and has barely started her training, but I'm sure she's already got a power level of at least a few thousand. Mommy and Grandma go down quickly and easily.
— The kids are waaaay up there in power, almost strong enough to be contenders at the Cell Games. If 1st-form Cell tries to fight them instead of outsmarting them and fleeing, he's doomed.
— If Boo's combined power and regeneration is too much for three Super Saiyan 2s to have a chance, then a fourth won't make a difference.
— Gohan alone couldn't win, but Piccolo's help MIGHT tip the scales in his favor. Not by very far, though.
— Hard to tell since Toei liked to be so vague about its power-scaling in the old movies. My gut tells me 19 and 20 would win, though.
— Meaning all of them? I think the combined force of Vegeta, Goku, Trunks, and Piccolo, with the Earthlings and Gohan as backup, would probably be just a bit too much for them to handle.
apex_pretador wrote:1. SS goku, SS gohan (Cell games) , SS vegeta (pre majin) , piccolo (buu arc) vs FP PC (no regeneration)
2. SS trunks (buu arc, pre HTC) vs CG future trunks
3. SS goten & trunks (pre) vs 2 Cell Jrs
4. SS gohan (buu arc) vs 2 cell jrs
5. Super bojack vs SS goku & SS Vegeta (post majin)
6. Dabura & SS2 adult gohan vs SS2 kid gohan
1. If Cell was limited to the power he used against SS1 Goku and Gohan, then the team could overpower him and win. But at full power Cell is just too strong. He wipes them all out pretty quickly. Goku and Gohan are the only ones that require any appreciable effort to kill.
2. The two Trunkses are close in power, but Future Trunks is older, more experienced, and more skilled. He quickly dispatches his younger self.
3. Already answered this one above... the kids are just a bit too outmatched in power and don't have the skill to make up for it.
4. Either Goku or Vegeta alone probably couldn't win, but they can as a team.
5. Gohan has a hard time because his skills are so rusty, but he prevails. 3 Cell Juniors might be too much.
6. Kid Gohan easily disintegrates Dabra in one casual blast, then proceeds to outmaneuver and pummel his weaker and rustier older self into submission.
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Post by dbgtFO » Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:21 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote:If Son Gohan had trained with Piccolo following the Cell Games how far could this hypothetical Gohan go if he were to have fought all of the same opposition he had faced after defeating Cell (Perfect Full Power) in canon?
Kid Gohan is apparently close to what the full blooded Saiyans could manage in SS2 and they are adults!
So as an adult, a trained Gohan should easily surpass Goku and Vegeta and I'd have it just be the hidden power he was unable to unleash against Fat Buu, but as we find out, it wouldn't have been enough anyways.

Dabra < Adult Gohan(not trained) < Fat Buu(initial) < Kid Gohan < Goku&Vegeta < Adult Gohan(trained/dormant power not unleashed) < Fat Buu.

To summarize he'd have quashed Dabra with one-punch, but would have still lost against Fat Buu.

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Post by apex_pretador » Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:05 am

dbgtFO wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:If Son Gohan had trained with Piccolo following the Cell Games how far could this hypothetical Gohan go if he were to have fought all of the same opposition he had faced after defeating Cell (Perfect Full Power) in canon?
Kid Gohan is apparently close to what the full blooded Saiyans could manage in SS2 and they are adults!
So as an adult, a trained Gohan should easily surpass Goku and Vegeta and I'd have it just be the hidden power he was unable to unleash against Fat Buu, but as we find out, it wouldn't have been enough anyways.

Dabra < Adult Gohan(not trained) < Fat Buu(initial) < Kid Gohan < Goku&Vegeta < Adult Gohan(trained/dormant power not unleashed) < Fat Buu.

To summarize he'd have quashed Dabra with one-punch, but would have still lost against Fat Buu.
If he did that, buu would never release.
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Post by Khin » Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:20 am

apex_pretador wrote:Some battles from cell & buu arc:

1. SS goku, SS gohan (Cell games) , SS vegeta (pre majin) , piccolo (buu arc) vs FP PC (no regeneration)

2. SS trunks (buu arc, pre HTC) vs CG future trunks

3. SS goten & trunks (pre) vs 2 Cell Jrs

4. SS gohan (buu arc) vs 2 cell jrs

5. Super bojack vs SS goku & SS Vegeta (post majin)

6. Dabura & SS2 adult gohan vs SS2 kid gohan
- My PL list puts Goku around Perfect Cell in Boo Saga with no contradiction.Goku wins alone with high difficulty.
- Kid Trunks wins with mild difficulty.I have him around CG Goku level along with Goten Pre ROSAT.
- Goten alone can beat the two of them.
- I think Gohan is still as strong as he was in the Cell Games.He is just rusty and lost his rage boost.Cell Juniors gets crushed again.
- Goku wins again with high difficulty.
- Kid Gohan gets overwhelmed.

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Post by dbgtFO » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:04 am

apex_pretador wrote:
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Steven Bloodriver wrote:If Son Gohan had trained with Piccolo following the Cell Games how far could this hypothetical Gohan go if he were to have fought all of the same opposition he had faced after defeating Cell (Perfect Full Power) in canon?
To summarize he'd have quashed Dabra with one-punch, but would have still lost against Fat Buu.
If he did that, buu would never release.
Obviously, but the guy didn't ask for a what if, but basically a gauntlet with Gohan versus all the people he thought in the original story post Cell as can be seen in his statement above.

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Post by apex_pretador » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:01 pm

DB battles:

1. Bora vs Nam (21 tb)
2. Tenshinhan (23rd TB) vs Mr popo
3. Gohan vs Master roshi (NOT jacky chun) before starting training AGAIN
4. Tao vs Gohan (dead)
5. Cyborg tao vs Drum
6. Eternal youth kami vs Ma Jr (23rd TB)
7. BoDB Goku , yamcha & krillin vs Majin spopovich
8. Ozaru goku (at pilaf) vs Daimao (old) , goku can control himself
9. Ozaru goku (21st TB) vs Piccolo (super giant, 23rd TB) , goku can control himself
10. 23rd tournament Yamcha & Krillin vs Young daimao & Cyborg tao
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Post by Noah » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:08 pm

New match:

Toriyama vs Toei
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Post by DanielSSJ » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:21 pm

apex_pretador wrote:DB battles:

1. Bora vs Nam (21 tb)
2. Tenshinhan (23rd TB) vs Mr Popo
3. Gohan vs Master roshi (NOT jacky chun) before starting training AGAIN
4. Tao vs Gohan (dead)
5. Cyborg tao vs Drum
6. Eternal youth Kami vs Ma Jr (23rd TB)
7. BoDB Goku , yamcha & krillin vs Majin spopovich
8. Ozaru goku (at pilaf) vs Daimao (old) , goku can control himself
9. Ozaru goku (21st TB) vs Piccolo (super giant, 23rd TB) , goku can control himself
10. 23rd tournament Yamcha & Krillin vs Young daimao & Cyborg tao
1. We see too little of Bora to get a good idea of his strength. That said, I'm betting on Namu
2. Mr. Popo is arguably more power and definitely more skilled.
3. Gohan held his own against a post Karin Goku. He takes down his master with ease.
4. Gohan did better against Goku that Tao Pai Pai did, but that can be chalked up to his familiarity. Even so, Gohan.
5. I have them about equal. I guess Tao Pai Pai could nail Drum with a Super Dodon Pa.
6. The boost Kami would get would from having his youth restored would be peanuts compared to Piccolo's strength.
7. Even if you believe Spopy is weaker, none of the DB characters can fly, and only Goku can use Ki, so Spopy can fire at them from above.
8. Even with Ozaru, Goku loses
9. A bit closer than last time, but Piccolo still wins.
10. You could change this to Kuririn, Yamcha, and Tao Pai Pai vs. Daimao, and he'd still win.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:51 pm

Noah wrote:Toriyama vs Toei
Gohan gets fucked up.

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Post by apex_pretador » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:39 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Noah wrote:Toriyama vs Toei
Gohan gets fucked up.
lol, true
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Post by AvatarReiko » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:05 pm

How big is the difference in power between the Cell that fought Goku and his Full Power against Gohan(Pre SPC)?

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Post by DanielSSJ » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:19 pm

A 1.5x gap.

Here's a question I have. If Vegeta never interfered, who would've won? SSJ2 Gohan or Super Perfect Cell?
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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:47 pm

DanielSSJ wrote:Here's a question I have. If Vegeta never interfered, who would've won? SSJ2 Gohan or Super Perfect Cell?
My brain says Gohan but my heart says Cell. In the end though, Gohan most definitely was shown to have the power to win the beam struggle but was holding back for some reason while Cell, well, never really show he could have won the beam battle did. I mean Gohan did seem like he was struggling, but regardless, then was no major shift in momentum either way until Gohan went all out.

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:59 pm

DanielSSJ wrote:Here's a question I have. If Vegeta never interfered, who would've won? SSJ2 Gohan or Super Perfect Cell?
Gohan conveniently losing his arm right before he got to fight Cell tells me that he still would've won if the two had fought.

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Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P5.1-2
Gohan:"…Do it…I at least know it’s pointless to resist…It…It’s too bad…I wanted to tear you to pieces…"

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:44 pm

Misokutsun vs. Nappa

Who wins?
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Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:49 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Misokutsun vs. Nappa

Who wins?
Misokutsun is stronger and possesses that weird elastic body that resists physical damage.
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Post by ShadowBardock89 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:29 pm

Saiyan Saga Vegeta vs. Tullece (before he ate the first fruit in movie 3)
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