The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Beerus]

Saiyan Saga Vegeta vs. Tullece (before he ate the first fruit in movie 3)

Considering Turles stomped Piccolo, who was stronger than Saiyan arc Vegeta, he stomps Vegeta too.

[Khin]

New Matches:

- Base Goku (BOG Arc,Post God) vs. Final Form Freeza (Post Training)
- Base Goten (Pre ROSAT) vs. Kibito
- SSj Gotenks (Post ROSAT) vs. Pure Boo
- SSj Gohan (Revival of 'F' Arc) vs. SSj2 Vegeta (Battle of Gods Arc,Note: Not the enraged one)
- Base Gotenks (Pre ROSAT) vs. Piccolo (Boo Saga)
- Tagoma (Post Training) vs. Dabra
- Shisami (DBS) vs. Monster Zarbon
- Ginyu Force vs. Yamcha (Cell Games)
- 1st Form Freeza (Namek) vs. Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho)
- Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho) vs. Kuririn (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kienzan)

[Darkron2151]

New Matches:

- Base Goku (BOG Arc,Post God) vs. Final Form Freeza (Post Training)
- Base Goten (Pre ROSAT) vs. Kibito
- SSj Gotenks (Post ROSAT) vs. Pure Boo
- SSj Gohan (Revival of 'F' Arc) vs. SSj2 Vegeta (Battle of Gods Arc)
- Base Gotenks (Pre ROSAT) vs. Piccolo (Boo Saga)
- Tagoma (Post Training) vs. Dabra
- Shisami (DBS) vs. Monster Zarbon
- Ginyu Force vs. Yamcha (Cell Games)
- 1st Form Freeza (Namek) vs. Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho)
- Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho) vs. Kuririn (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kienzan)

1. I only have this Goku as a little weaker than ROF Base Goku. So Goku wins this one IMO.

2. I think Kibito has a slight power advantage with significantly more ki control and skill. He wins.

3. Pure Boo beats him. I only have Gotenks surpassing Fatty.

4. I have Vegeta surpassing Super Vegetto while Gohan doesn't even get to his Ultimate self. Vegeta stomps.

5. I give it to Piccolo by a long shot. I don't take everyone's reactions to heart, especially when Gotenks time and time again fails and proves everyone wrong. Plus I don't see SSJ3 Goku being over 50x stronger than Piccolo.

6. They're equals. Dabura wins due to magic + spit.

7. I have the humans somewhat high. Yamcha beats them along with 1st Form Freeza easily.

8. Tenshinhan decimates. Freeza needs 2nd Form to take him down, and that's if that's enough to get past Tenshinhan's superior martial arts skills.

9. Kuririn still has the advantage. I give it to him unless Tenshinhan has something else up his sleeve (since no kikoho).

[Khin]

4. I have Vegeta surpassing Super Vegetto while Gohan doesn't even get to his Ultimate self. Vegeta stomps.

Maybe the enraged one,there is no way Regular SSj2 Vegeta is stronger than Vegetto.

[Pocket-God]

New Matches:

- Base Goku (BOG Arc,Post God) vs. Final Form Freeza (Post Training)
- Base Goten (Pre ROSAT) vs. Kibito
- SSj Gotenks (Post ROSAT) vs. Pure Boo
- SSj Gohan (Revival of 'F' Arc) vs. SSj2 Vegeta (Battle of Gods Arc,Note: Not the enraged one)
- Base Gotenks (Pre ROSAT) vs. Piccolo (Boo Saga)
- Tagoma (Post Training) vs. Dabra
- Shisami (DBS) vs. Monster Zarbon
- Ginyu Force vs. Yamcha (Cell Games)
- 1st Form Freeza (Namek) vs. Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho)
- Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho) vs. Kuririn (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kienzan)

I'm gonna have to go with Frieza on this one.
Kibito most likely, Goten is weak sauce.
Kid Buu should be able to win without to much trouble.
Vegeta obviously, RoF Gohan isn't even as strong as his super saiyan self during the cell games.
This could go either way really but I think i'll go with piccolo.
Dabura, no contest.
Monster Zarbon ftw!
Anime Yamcha stomps, dunno about manga him though.
If Tien wasn't stronger than at least first form Frieza then i doubt his tri-beam would've done anything to Cell, so I'll go with Tien.
Again, I'll go with Tien.

[DanielSSJ]

New Matches:

- Base Goku (BOG Arc,Post God) vs. Final Form Freeza (Post Training)
- Base Goten (Pre ROSAT) vs. Kibito
- SSj Gotenks (Post ROSAT) vs. Pure Boo
- SSj Gohan (Revival of 'F' Arc) vs. SSj2 Vegeta (Battle of Gods Arc,Note: Not the enraged one)
- Base Gotenks (Pre ROSAT) vs. Piccolo (Boo Saga)
- Tagoma (Post Training) vs. Dabra
- Shisami (DBS) vs. Monster Zarbon
- Ginyu Force vs. Yamcha (Cell Games)
- 1st Form Freeza (Namek) vs. Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho)
- Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho) vs. Kuririn (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kienzan)

- I haven't been watching that much of Super, but my gut goes with Freeza.
- Kibito is almost as strong as base Gohan. Goten loses.
- Gotenks is quite a bit weaker than Pure Boo and lacks the skill to make up for it.
- I imagine that SS Gohan isn't too far off from his Ultimate state, so unless Vegeta can stall him out, Gohan wins.
- Not even close. Gotenks needs Super Saiyan to compete with anything.
- Unless Dabra can spit on him, my money's on psycho Tagoma.
- Their about equal, though I'm betting on red devil guy.
- Even Yamcha would be above the Ginyus by this point.
- 1st Form Freeza. I doubt that any of the humans ever get quite that powerful.
- Kuririn is still stated to be the strongest human, sooooo....

[apex_pretador]

How big is the difference in power between the Cell that fought Goku and his Full Power against Gohan(Pre SPC)?

1.5x at best.
I assume you mean FP cell, who fought SS2 gohan, not the one who fought SS gohan.

Here's a question I have. If Vegeta never interfered, who would've won? SSJ2 Gohan or Super Perfect Cell?

SPC had the advantage IMO ,only due to the fact that gohan's arm was damaged.

Saiyan Saga Vegeta vs. Tullece (before he ate the first fruit in movie 3)

Tullece has every advantage over vegeta, including tail.
Tullece is stronger than piccolo, who's stronger than saiyan saga vegeta.

New Matches:

- Base Goku (BOG Arc,Post God) vs. Final Form Freeza (Post Training)
- Base Goten (Pre ROSAT) vs. Kibito
- SSj Gotenks (Post ROSAT) vs. Pure Boo
- SSj Gohan (Revival of 'F' Arc) vs. SSj2 Vegeta (Battle of Gods Arc,Note: Not the enraged one)
- Base Gotenks (Pre ROSAT) vs. Piccolo (Boo Saga)
- Tagoma (Post Training) vs. Dabra
- Shisami (DBS) vs. Monster Zarbon
- Ginyu Force vs. Yamcha (Cell Games)
- 1st Form Freeza (Namek) vs. Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho)
- Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho) vs. Kuririn (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kienzan)

- Freeza finger flicks, literally
- Kibito most likely has the advantage, but no way to tell.
- Kid buu stomps
- Gohan one - shots
- Base gotenks was implied to be stronger than piccolo. I'm going with him. (It also implies that fusion is a bigger boost than Super saiyan)
- Tagoma gets a nice statue
- Zarbon in a really close battle.
- CG yamcha is well above cap ginyu. I even think that Ginyu force filler from king kai planet was well possible. The only chance is body change, which happens for sure. Ginyu force wins by body change.
- Tien wins with ease. If freeza transforms, then, well, death.
- Krillin with lots & lots of trouble, thanks to no kikoho.

[apex_pretador]

Battles:

- Freeza & Cooler vs Imperfect cell (no absorptions allowed , pre absorptions)
- #13 , #14 & #15 vs #18 (no super 13)
- Broly (M8) vs Base Gotenks & Piccolo (fat buu arc both)
- Broly (M10) vs Majin vegeta & Tagoma
- Fat Janemba vs SS gotenks (pre)
- Hirdugarn (1st form) vs Super buu
- Super Hirdugarn vs Super buutenks
- Turles (one fruit) vs Vegeta (post sleep)
- Slug (young) vs Piccolo (Nailed)
- Giant slug vs Vegeta (pre death)
- Salza (cooler movie) vs 3rd form freeza

[DanielSSJ]

Battles:

- Freeza & Cooler vs Imperfect cell (no absorptions allowed , pre absorptions)
- #13 , #14 & #15 vs #18 (no super 13)
- Broly (M8) vs Base Gotenks & Piccolo (fat buu arc both)
- Broly (M10) vs Majin vegeta & Tagoma
- Fat Janemba vs SS gotenks (pre)
- Hirdugarn (1st form) vs Super buu
- Super Hirdugarn vs Super buutenks
- Tullece (one fruit) vs Vegeta (post sleep)
- Slug (young) vs Piccolo (Nailed)
- Giant slug vs Vegeta (pre death)
- Salza (cooler movie) vs 3rd form freeza

- Cell kills both of them with ease
- 18 might have trouble if all three of them gang up on her, though I'm still gonna bet on her.
- As much as I hate to say it, Broly pulverizes them
- Tagoma's strength is still a bit iffy, but between him and Vegeta, I think they can squeeze a win.
- Pre RoSaT Gotenks is implied to be below Majin Vegeta. Janemba stomps.
- My money is on Evil Boo though he's gonna have to work for it.
- Gotenks Boo has way more power and Piccolo's brains let's him take advantage of Hirudegarn's weaknesses
- Vegeta takes it with moderate difficulty
- Slug is, at best, as strong as 3rd Form Freeza. Vegeta takes it.
- Unless if Sauzer can use his energy blade attack, Freeza wins with zero effort.

[KentalSSJ6]

SSJ4 Z Vegetto VS Beerus and/or Whis

SSJ4 GT Vegetto VS Beerus and /or Whis.

[Lord Beerus]

SSJ4 Z Vegetto VS Beerus and/or Whis

SSJ4 GT Vegetto VS Beerus and /or Whis.

Beerus alone stomps in both of those matches. Throwing in Whis is overkill.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Battles:

- Freeza & Cooler vs Imperfect cell (no absorptions allowed , pre absorptions)
- #13 , #14 & #15 vs #18 (no super 13)
- Broly (M8) vs Base Gotenks & Piccolo (fat buu arc both)
- Broly (M10) vs Majin vegeta & Tagoma
- Fat Janemba vs SS gotenks (pre)
- Hirdugarn (1st form) vs Super buu
- Super Hirdugarn vs Super buutenks
- Tullece (one fruit) vs Vegeta (post sleep)
- Slug (young) vs Piccolo (Nailed)
- Giant slug vs Vegeta (pre death)
- Salza (cooler movie) vs 3rd form freeza

Imperfect cell wins. Humans don't add much power.
13/14/15 lose if vegeta and trunks didn't gain any power. It's hard to tell if it's the same ones who fought 18 being used or it's meant to have a small time of passing.
Movie 8 broly wins. Gotenks would solo win if it was post ROSAT
tagoma's ring wouldn't work on him. It's a plot hole. Movie 10 broly 1 handed a beam struggle with ssj goku +sons. We didn't get to see his full power honestly. But we don't know how much stronger goku woulda been at ssj3 cause anime makes the multipliers seam like nothing at all. It goes either way. Broly most likely.
Janempa wins easily
hirudegarn was trouble for mystic gohan with more training and zenaki while normal mystic gohan owned buu. Hirudegarn.
hirudegarn again easily.
As much as I love Vegeta, tulluce Took on kaioken x10 with ease...Vegeta with sleep is near 2nd form frieza.
Piccolo was nailed in the film and still lost. Slug wins
giant slug
salsa kept up with Piccolo when training for the androids....I say salsa wins.

Good choices. very good

[Pantalones]

- Base Goten (Pre ROSAT) vs. Kibito

Gohan guessed that Kibito would be a tough opponent for him if he didn't go Super Saiyan. Meanwhile, Goten thought Gohan's skill/power were amazing when they sparred and clearly wasn't on the same level as him (...he was just a bit closer than Gohan expected him to be at his age.)

If Kibito would be trouble for base Gohan, he'd definitely beat Goten unless the kid went Super Saiyan.

- SSj Gotenks (Post ROSAT) vs. Pure Boo

Gotenks might be strong enough to win if he thinks of using a full-power blast big enough to wipe Buu out... but chances are he'll screw around instead and the fusion will run out before Gotenks manages to accomplish anything useful.

- Ginyu Force vs. Yamcha (Cell Games)

Dr. Gero thought Yamcha could've been Goku upon first detecting his power and considered his energy to be a significant amount to add to his own, which says to me that he was at least approaching the 1,000,000 mark if not above it (#19 and #20 are certainly well into the millions themselves, so energy that's far below the millions really shouldn't qualify as a significant amount to absorb.) Considering that Goku was pushing into the 30,000s already with Kaio-ken the last time Gero got a power reading from him, it's absurd to think that Yamcha's power would still be in the tens-of-thousands -- Gero is fully aware that Goku got a lot stronger between the 23rd Budokai and the fight with Vegeta so he's going to be expecting Goku's power to continue to rise pretty steadily over time, he just didn't anticipate the 50x boost of Super Saiyan.

So... yeah, the only thing Yamcha has to worry about here is getting his body stolen by Ginyu.

- 1st Form Freeza (Namek) vs. Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho)

Tenshinhan's always been a good bit stronger than Yamcha, so I figure even Android-saga Tenshinhan could easily beat Freeza's first or second forms, and probably even the third (no way he's ever getting anywhere near 4th-form Freeza middle/upper ranges of power, though -- that's just too big of a gap to clear without being able to get any fusion/absorption/transformation/beyond-limits-potential-unlock boosts.)

He also continues training pretty much forever, unlike Yamcha as far as we've seen. So Tenshinhan with years of additional training against such a weak form of Freeza is just overkill. He splits into four bodies and one of them flattens Freeza effortlessly while the other three just sit back and watch.

- Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho) vs. Kuririn (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kienzan)

An epic battle of baldness. I figure it could go either way, especially without Kikohos being involved (I don't think Krillin would use the Kienzan against somebody he didn't actually want to kill, so that would be a non-factor even if it was allowed -- I find a "what if this actually happened?" situation to be much more interesting than some "Death Battle" bullshit where killing the opponent is required to win)... but Krillin is supposed to be the strongest of the humans, so he has at least a slight advantage in raw power even after all these years and would probably be a little more likely to win as a result. Either way it'd be a very close fight, though.

- Freeza & Cooler vs Imperfect cell (no absorptions allowed , pre absorptions)

It's hard to say exactly how strong this Imperfect Cell would be, since all we know for sure is that he was absolutely no match for "Kamiccolo" and used an outdated version of the Kamehameha that didn't have much more than his base power behind it.

He does seem to use a "Super Saiyan-like" transformation after absorbing tons of humans, and this pushes him high enough to clash with #16 and easily beat #17 or Piccolo (rather than being near helpless against Piccolo like before.) So it's possible that Cell's initial state is a whole lot weaker than people might expect, closer to the base Saiyans than the Super Saiyans. In that case, either Freeza or Cooler alone would be able to beat him.

If his "Super Saiyan-ish" state isn't the full 50x boost the Saiyans get, though, there's a chance that he's strong enough to take on both of them at once even without it.

- #13 , #14 & #15 vs #18 (no super 13)

Hmm... #14 and #15 are definitely much weaker than #18, with #14 being significantly weaker than Trunks and #15 slightly weaker than Vegeta. So either one of them alone, or even both together, shouldn't have much of a chance.

But #13 seems to be on a different level than #14 and #15, what with him being the only one who wasn't beaten right away once his opponent went Super Saiyan -- he didn't even seem to be overwhelmed by SSj Goku's power from what I remember of that movie.

So with all three of them fighting her together, they'd probably be able to beat #18 eventually... though #13 wouldn't be able to pull it off on his own if the other two get themselves killed too quickly and #13 is left facing a relatively unharmed #18.

- Broly (M8) vs Base Gotenks & Piccolo (fat buu arc both)

With Gotenks acting as a distraction, Buu Saga Piccolo should probably be able to pull off an attack big enough to seriously injure this version of Broly (if not kill him outright.) He doesn't have Cell's regeneration, so that should be well within the power of a Piccolo who could at least somewhat stand up to a Cell Jr. seven years before that and hasn't really slacked off since then as far as we know.

Fighting him directly probably wouldn't work too well, though. It'll have to be a "Vegeta's Final Flash vs. initial Perfect Cell" sort of situation, with the difference being that Broly can't regenerate.

- Broly (M10) vs Majin vegeta & Tagoma

Hmm... I almost want to say that Majin Vegeta could pull this off on his own considering that he's stronger than Cell Games SSj2 Gohan while Broly only ever fought the weaker 7-years-later version... but even if not, having somebody else with a good amount of strength helping out makes it into a similar situation as the end of that movie with Gohan and Goten both Kamehameha'ing the big guy into the sun. If they both blast him at full power all at once like that, they should be able to finish Broly off.

Worst case scenario, Vegeta blows himself up and absolutely destroys Broly since -- as mentioned above -- he can't grow back when you blow him to bits.

- Fat Janemba vs SS gotenks (pre)

SSj3 Goku seemed to beat up on him pretty easily (I don't think it'd have been quite so easy for him to beat Fat Buu even if he did fight seriously), so I figure even before training Gotenks would be able to pull it off. If he doesn't end up screwing around for half an hour and losing the fusion, anyway...

- Slug (young) vs Piccolo (Nailed)

Slug was said to be even stronger than Freeza at some point, wasn't he? Assuming the Slug movie happens in some alternate universe where Piccolo beat Freeza and thus Goku never transformed until Slug drove him to it during the course of the movie, that would mean Slug is stronger than 2nd-form Freeza at least, since nobody but his family knew about his 3rd and 4th forms before he revealed them on Namek. I'd say a good bit stronger, considering that his minions managed to beat that very same Piccolo by ganging up on him. So Piccolo+Nail (at the level he was at against Freeza) would definitely lose this fight.

Slug surviving being pummeled a bit by Super Saiyan Goku (and no, it's not some inferior form just because the appearance is different... this movie was made before the real appearance of SSj was revealed so Toei pretty much had to guess), then in giant form narrowly surviving a Kaio-ken x100 punch through the chest and only really dying when he was hit by a Spirit Bomb on top of that, says to me that he's actually a good bit stronger than even "stronger than 2nd-form Freeza" would imply. Though it's hard to guess Slug's exact level without knowing just how strong Goku is in this movie... if Piccolo's "fused with Nail" strength then Goku probably has to be at least in the 2,000,000ish range to finish off the minions like he did, which would put Slug pretty damn high (though probably far short of 100% Freeza going by how Slug was injured so easily by SSj Goku, vs. Freeza managing to put up a fight for most of 5 minutes.)

- Giant slug vs Vegeta (pre death)

Vegeta gets crushed, both literally and figuratively. I doubt he'd even be able to do much of anything but be a punching bag for non-giant young Slug. Maybe he'd at least put up a fight against old Slug (just like base Goku in the movie, according to Slug himself), though I don't think he'd win even that one unless Slug randomly dropped dead from a heart attack mid-battle or something.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

SSJ4 Z Vegetto VS Beerus and/or Whis

SSJ4 GT Vegetto VS Beerus and /or Whis.

SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta alone, either one would beat Beerus and Whis 2v1.

When you say Z...do you mean end of Z. Buu saga, battle of gods? Which Vegito do you mean?

BOG ssj4 vegito wins....even if you are just doing the ssj4 over 20x multiplier and not doing the level of power needed to get to ssj4.

Z vegito? No clue. Battle of gods and ROF goku and vegeta should be MUCH stronger through training, but that idea is thrown out the window due to them beign nerfed to keep beerus relevant..... logically they'd win if you go by the training doesn't multiply you weekly like it's supposed to do and has been established.

end of z vegito base is overkill 1 shot.

gt vegito base would 1 should a fusion of whis and beerus even if trained XD

[Darkron2151]

Battles:

- Freeza & Cooler vs Imperfect cell (no absorptions allowed , pre absorptions)
- #13 , #14 & #15 vs #18 (no super 13)
- Broly (M8) vs Base Gotenks & Piccolo (fat buu arc both)
- Broly (M10) vs Majin vegeta & Tagoma
- Fat Janemba vs SS gotenks (pre)
- Hirdugarn (1st form) vs Super buu
- Super Hirdugarn vs Super buutenks
- Tullece (one fruit) vs Vegeta (post sleep)
- Slug (young) vs Piccolo (Nailed)
- Giant slug vs Vegeta (pre death)
- Salza (cooler movie) vs 3rd form freeza

1. You mean when he was in Gingertown? Because he had absorptions there. We don't know how strong he was before that. I'd assume he'd be a bit weaker than Android Saga SSJ Goku (Healthy), to whom of which Freeza and Cooler can't do jack against.

2. It was said by 17 that Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo (I don't count humans) would've been too much for 18. 3 Super Saiyan tier Androids would absolutely wreck.

3. If Gotenks doesn't screw around, he can do this himself. If he does, Piccolo's there for backup, so that should help. Now if this were Movie 10 Broly, that's a COMPLETELY different story.

4. I have Broly and Majin Vegeta VERY close as it is (64 vs. 60 in Broly's favor). Adding Tagoma would make the odds stack much easier.

5. I have Janemba winning, even though Gotenks has a slight power advantage. Janemba's just too unpredictable (coupled with Gotenks' incompetence).

6-7. The only thing I liked about Wrath of the Dragon was Tapion. Pass.

8. I have Tullece having an edge in power. Vegeta may be able to do something if he's crafty. Tullece 7/10 times.

9. Slug was said by Kaio to be stronger than Freeza. While I don't take that too literally, I do have him in a percentage of Final Form Freeza's power, surpassing his previous forms that were revealed. Piccolo has no chance.

10. Same as above.

11. They're around even. If Salza can hit Freeza with a good Sauzer Blade, he can take him out. Otherwise, Freeza has been shown to have far more formidable attacks. Freeza wins 6/10 times.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Battles:

- Freeza & Cooler vs Imperfect cell (no absorptions allowed , pre absorptions)
- #13 , #14 & #15 vs #18 (no super 13)
- Broly (M8) vs Base Gotenks & Piccolo (fat buu arc both)
- Broly (M10) vs Majin vegeta & Tagoma
- Fat Janemba vs SS gotenks (pre)
- Hirdugarn (1st form) vs Super buu
- Super Hirdugarn vs Super buutenks
- Tullece (one fruit) vs Vegeta (post sleep)
- Slug (young) vs Piccolo (Nailed)
- Giant slug vs Vegeta (pre death)
- Salza (cooler movie) vs 3rd form freeza

1. You mean when he was in Gingertown? Because he had absorptions there. We don't know how strong he was before that. I'd assume he'd be a bit weaker than Android Saga SSJ Goku (Healthy), to whom of which Freeza and Cooler can't do jack against.

2. It was said by 17 that Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo (I don't count humans) would've been too much for 18. 3 Super Saiyan tier Androids would absolutely wreck.

3. If Gotenks doesn't screw around, he can do this himself. If he does, Piccolo's there for backup, so that should help. Now if this were Movie 10 Broly, that's a COMPLETELY different story.

4. I have Broly and Majin Vegeta VERY close as it is (64 vs. 60 in Broly's favor). Adding Tagoma would make the odds stack much easier.

5. I have Janemba winning, even though Gotenks has a slight power advantage. Janemba's just too unpredictable (coupled with Gotenks' incompetence).

6-7. The only thing I liked about Wrath of the Dragon was Tapion. Pass.

8. I have Tullece having an edge in power. Vegeta may be able to do something if he's crafty. Tullece 7/10 times.

9. Slug was said by Kaio to be stronger than Freeza. While I don't take that too literally, I do have him in a percentage of Final Form Freeza's power, surpassing his previous forms that were revealed. Piccolo has no chance.

10. Same as above.

11. They're around even. If Salza can hit Freeza with a good Sauzer Blade, he can take him out. Otherwise, Freeza has been shown to have far more formidable attacks. Freeza wins 6/10 times.

No. 17 said she would have trouble. Not lose. Plus there tactics make them a MUCH bigger threat then the 3 droids who are weaker and aren't as good with team work as say piccolo who took on someone 4x his power and one with goku.

I don't agree with some other stuff but I just wanted to point that out because it's easy to agree on.

[Darkron2151]

No. 17 said she would have trouble. Not lose. Plus there tactics make them a MUCH bigger threat then the 3 droids who are weaker and aren't as good with team work as say piccolo who took on someone 4x his power and one with goku.

I don't agree with some other stuff but I just wanted to point that out because it's easy to agree on.

Incorrect. 17 specifically said, "She can't take them all by herself". Not just "having trouble". Plus the Androids in the Super 13 movie showed pretty good teamwork, both against Goku (until Trunks showed up) and before Android 13 showed up. By the time the Saiyans went Super, they were split up. The Z Warriors just rushed in after Vegeta got his butt whooped. How is that in any way tactical as you say they are? There's the Raditz case, but that's really the only thing I see. As far as I see in the match-ups, the droids can't be too far behind the Super Saiyans (especially 13, who showed no damage or fatigue), which would likely allow them to win against 18.

And what else pray tell do you disagree with? Keep in mind, those answers are all opinionated, but have probable cause to assume so.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

No. 17 said she would have trouble. Not lose. Plus there tactics make them a MUCH bigger threat then the 3 droids who are weaker and aren't as good with team work as say piccolo who took on someone 4x his power and one with goku.

I don't agree with some other stuff but I just wanted to point that out because it's easy to agree on.

Incorrect. 17 specifically said, "She can't take them all by herself". Not just "having trouble". Plus the Androids in the Super 13 movie showed pretty good teamwork, both against Goku (until Trunks showed up) and before Android 13 showed up. By the time the Saiyans went Super, they were split up. The Z Warriors just rushed in after Vegeta got his butt whooped. How is that in any way tactical as you say they are? There's the Raditz case, but that's really the only thing I see. As far as I see in the match-ups, the droids can't be too far behind the Super Saiyans (especially 13, who showed no damage or fatigue), which would likely allow them to win against 18.

And what else pray tell do you disagree with? Keep in mind, those answers are all opinionated, but have probable cause to assume so.

Well one of us isn't remembering it right. Then again with manga/ anime/ dubs being different maybe we both recall it right

DBZ isn't consistent. They shoulda used tactics but didn't

I'm not saying they don't have good teamwork, but next to the Z fighters they really don't . They displayed nothing special. After seeing the OG ball you know Goku's friends are creative and skilled. I miss those days.

just things like gotenks pre ROSAT being above broly and stuff like that.

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just things like gotenks pre ROSAT being above broly and stuff like that.

In all honesty, these past few days, I've had Base Gotenks as low as Android 16 to as high as SSJ2 Vegeta. I've decided to shoot for the middle and the Perfect Cell/Dabura/Broly/Bojack range is where I see him most now.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

just things like gotenks pre ROSAT being above broly and stuff like that.

In all honesty, these past few days, I've had Base Gotenks as low as Android 16 to as high as SSJ2 Vegeta. I've decided to shoot for the middle and the Perfect Cell/Dabura/Broly/Bojack range is where I see him most now.

I say pre cell games perfect cell fits, but not broly. Movie 9 broly is above cell before his zenkai from vegeta's final flash and fighting trunks.

I mean gotenks looks strong because he made buu heal, but buu wasn't powered up, he was messing around. Nobody in dragonball is at 100% all the time, not even androids.