"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

Sonny Strait as Goku Black would be glorious

[sintzu]

How would you take it if one of them turns out to be a Universe with the GT characters ?

If they were to bring in GT it would probably be an alternate timeline for Universe 7.

[THEGOKU]

How would you take it if one of them turns out to be a Universe with the GT characters ?

If they were to bring in GT it would probably be an alternate timeline for Universe 7.

It would just be a perfect setup to use to make GT it's own thing. Plus we could learn something about SSJ4 and SSB and which is better. It could expand a lot. Think of if you will like DC with the different versions of Earth.

[HeroR]

How would you take it if one of them turns out to be a Universe with the GT characters ?

If they were to bring in GT it would probably be an alternate timeline for Universe 7.

It would just be a perfect setup to use to make GT it's own thing. Plus we could learn something about SSJ4 and SSB and which is better. It could expand a lot. Think of if you will like DC with the different versions of Earth.

Why would Toriyama care about GT? Toei barely cares about GT.

[THEGOKU]

If they were to bring in GT it would probably be an alternate timeline for Universe 7.

It would just be a perfect setup to use to make GT it's own thing. Plus we could learn something about SSJ4 and SSB and which is better. It could expand a lot. Think of if you will like DC with the different versions of Earth.

Why would Toriyama care about GT? Toei barely cares about GT.

Well it's not to care about it. It's to shove it into its own universe away from the main canon timeline and do something justifiable to it. Super with the whole universe and timeline stuff can be the cause for that. Also to show that SSB is stronger than Ssj4 things like that. Of course to not cause chaos it would have to be with the GT characters that are there after Goku whatever he did after he killed Omega. Just a concept doubt it will happen. But remember Toei still can make the changes they see fit.

[Luke Groundwalker]

GT can't really take place in another universe since all the universe's have their own Kaioshins and while there are counterparts, those counterparts are very different from each other and only inhabit the universe's that are paired up with each other. GT takes place in Universe 7, though it's likely to be an alternate timeline of some sort.

[Cipher]

GT can't really take place in another universe since all the universe's have their own Kaioshins and while there are counterparts, those counterparts are very different from each other and only inhabit the universe's that are paired up with each other. GT takes place in Universe 7, though it's likely to be an alternate timeline of some sort.

The other universes are supposedly rather dissimilar from 6 and 7, which are the only two to mirror each other (however that works, with all the different events that would happen in a cosmic time scale).

At the same time, GT isn't another timeline for the series in the way, say, Future Trunks' or Cell's are, as there's no in-universe cause for its split. It's simply a different version of events with no fictional connection to current material. Much in the same way the manga and anime versions of Super or the original run are different from each other with no fictional connection.

The systems for multiple universes and timelines introduced in Super are not all-encompassing in a meta sense. In fact, they've kind of established that they can't be.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

GT can't really take place in another universe since all the universe's have their own Kaioshins and while there are counterparts, those counterparts are very different from each other and only inhabit the universe's that are paired up with each other. GT takes place in Universe 7, though it's likely to be an alternate timeline of some sort.

The other universes are supposedly rather dissimilar from 6 and 7, which are the only two to mirror each other (however that works, with all the different events that would happen in a cosmic time scale).

At the same time, GT isn't another timeline for the series in the way, say, Future Trunks' or Cell's are, as there's no in-universe cause for its split. It's simply a different version of events with no fictional connection to current material. Much in the same way the manga and anime versions of Super or the original run are different from each other with no fictional connection.

The systems for multiple universes and timelines introduced in Super are not all-encompassing in a meta sense. In fact, they've kind of established that they can't be.

If you want to take XenoVerse into account (if you want), GT was stated to take place in a different timeline created by Future Trunks' time travels.

[THEGOKU]

Well I guess there goes that idea. It would have been interesting to see.

[Luke Groundwalker]

If you want to take XenoVerse into account (if you want), GT was stated to take place in a different timeline created by Future Trunks' time travels.

Eh, are you sure about that? All I recall is saying it takes place in an alternate continuity. I know aside from that, I think one of the Daizenshuu lists several of the movies as being "alternate stories" as well.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If you want to take XenoVerse into account (if you want), GT was stated to take place in a different timeline created by Future Trunks' time travels.

Eh, are you sure about that? All I recall is saying it takes place in an alternate continuity. I know aside from that, I think one of the Daizenshuu lists several of the movies as being "alternate stories" as well.

In XenoVerse, GT is stated by Trunks to take place in an alternative timeline that was created by his time travels. In the same game, Bardock' TV Special & Movie 10 are stated to take place in (a) different dimension(s) (and not timeline(s) created by time traveling, unlike GT), and Toriyama said in the Daizenshuu that he considers the movies taking place in (a) different dimension(s), with the Daizenshuu stating for a few of them that they place in parallel words.

[Kanassa]

If you want to take XenoVerse into account (if you want), GT was stated to take place in a different timeline created by Future Trunks' time travels.

Eh, are you sure about that? All I recall is saying it takes place in an alternate continuity. I know aside from that, I think one of the Daizenshuu lists several of the movies as being "alternate stories" as well.

In XenoVerse, GT is stated by Trunks to take place in an alternative timeline that was created by his time travels. In the same game, Bardock' TV Special & Movie 10 are stated to take place in (a) different dimension(s) (and not timeline(s) created by time traveling, unlike GT), and Toriyama said in the Daizenshuu that he considers the movies taking place in (a) different dimension(s), with the Daizenshuu stating for a few of them that they place in parallel words.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that the explination for GT i Xenoverse is that it's some strange pocket dimension/anomaly caused by time repeatedly being raped by Trunks, Towa and others.

[Grimlock]

In the same game, Bardock' TV Special & Movie 10 are stated to take place in (a) different dimension(s) (and not timeline(s) created by time traveling, unlike GT).

Where exactly is it said that?

[HeroR]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that the explination for GT i Xenoverse is that it's some strange pocket dimension/anomaly caused by time repeatedly being raped by Trunks, Towa and others.

It sorta have to work that way. Super and GT really cannot be just separate timelines like Future Trunks' time to the main timeline. The same with some of the movies.

One, the way Hell works is different in Super compared to GT. In Super, Hell have you hanging from a tree and powerless, at least Earth's Hell. GT has the free roaming Hell where evil people keep their bodies and it leads to the events of the Super 17 Saga (seriously how the heck did they build mutant 17).

Second, the Shadow Dragon Saga can't happen because the cast of Super made more wishes than their GT counterparts and the Dragon Balls haven't cracked (the GT characters only used the Earth's Dragon Ball once since they erased Buu's memories, while the Super characters used the Dragon Balls to asked about a Super Saiyan God, revived Freeza, and asked about the Super Dragon Balls' location).

The only story arc that can reasonably happened if Beerus never came to Earth and it leds to GT is the Baby Saga.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

In XenoVerse, GT is stated by Trunks to take place in an alternative timeline that was created by his time travels. In the same game, Bardock' TV Special & Movie 10 are stated to take place in (a) different dimension(s) (and not timeline(s) created by time traveling, unlike GT), and Toriyama said in the Daizenshuu that he considers the movies taking place in (a) different dimension(s), with the Daizenshuu stating for a few of them that they place in parallel words.

With it all circling back around to Super having the timelines called parallel worlds and all that.

I think I'm happy enough to say that even if we only have a couple of timelines during the current arc in Super, everything eventually exists at some point down the line. Whether that means the stories in question eventually become part of full timelines, are just Time Fragments/Parallel Quests, or whatever they continue to add to the mix.

[Cipher]

Keep in mind that, to get down to the fine grain, it's not as if GT is just a splintered set of events that can be tacked onto the end of the Boo arc. It picks up on threads introduced in the original anime adaptation that differ from the manga (its interpretation of Hell, the Divine Water from the Garlic Jr. arc, the Tsufuru-jin, etc.). You'd have to have something fictionally causing the differences between the original anime and the manga, which opens a new whole can of worms.

Personally, I think it's more trouble than it's worth to assume all of the franchise's metafiction can be connected with the current system of universes/timelines Super uses. I haven't played Xenoverse, but I wouldn't take it as Shueisha's codified statement on how different elements of the metafiction fit together.

[Bullza]

I really wouldn't mind GT officially being an alternate timeline. At least for me then I wouldn't have to watch it thinking "None of this stuff actually happened" and instead I could think of it as "This stuff happened just not in the main timeline."

I also wouldn't mind a filler saga where maybe GT Goku and Vegeta showed up. You know it'd be fun to see SSJB Goku and Vegeta vs SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta.

[MCDaveG]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that the explination for GT i Xenoverse is that it's some strange pocket dimension/anomaly caused by time repeatedly being raped by Trunks, Towa and others.

It sorta have to work that way. Super and GT really cannot be just separate timelines like Future Trunks' time to the main timeline. The same with some of the movies.

One, the way Hell works is different in Super compared to GT. In Super, Hell have you hanging from a tree and powerless, at least Earth's Hell. GT has the free roaming Hell where evil people keep their bodies and it leads to the events of the Super 17 Saga (seriously how the heck did they build mutant 17).

Second, the Shadow Dragon Saga can't happen because the cast of Super made more wishes than their GT counterparts and the Dragon Balls haven't cracked (the GT characters only used the Earth's Dragon Ball once since they erased Buu's memories, while the Super characters used the Dragon Balls to asked about a Super Saiyan God, revived Freeza, and asked about the Super Dragon Balls' location).

The only story arc that can reasonably happened if Beerus never came to Earth and it leds to GT is the Baby Saga.

Because of how shitty it was written, with faint and forgetable plot lines, people forget that what was happening in hell and Super 17 Arc was thanks to Dragon Balls being broken.
It was stated in GT as I rewatched it recently.

[HeroR]

Because of how shitty it was written, with faint and forgetable plot lines, people forget that what was happening in hell and Super 17 Arc was thanks to Dragon Balls being broken.
It was stated in GT as I rewatched it recently.

I am almost certain that the Shadow Dragons happened because of the Dragon Balls being over used. How was the Dragon Balls being crack lead to the Super 17 Saga?

[Kishido]

I really want to know how they explain Yajirobe being alive in the future... It was told he was killed by 18 in the future.

Most likely they will recton it... Was filler as well