Lord Beerus wrote:Noah wrote:Toriyama vs Toei
Gohan gets fucked up.
...Well, I can't come up with a better answer than this.
AvatarReiko wrote:How big is the difference in power between the Cell that fought Goku and his Full Power against Gohan(Pre SPC)?
For future reference, this is more of a question for
the power levels thread than it is a "versus" question.
But for me, Cell gets about 50% or 1.5x stronger
(3.2 billion → 4.8 billion). It's very impressive, and would have spelled doom for anyone he'd fought up to that point. But Gohan's 2x boost from going Super Saiyan 2
(3.5b → 7b) is even better and Cell gets thrashed.
DanielSSJ wrote:Here's a question I have. If Vegeta never interfered, who would've won? SSJ2 Gohan or Super Perfect Cell?
You mean in their Kamehameha clash or in a straight-up fight if Vegeta never went berserk after Trunks' death? Either way... probably Cell, if nobody else interfered either. Gohan's practically always going to need someone else holding his hand to finish a fight.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Misokutsun vs. Nappa
Misokatsun actually has an official battle power, 4,300. That's about the same as Nappa's 4,000-ish, but the big rubbery blob was so resilient that Goku, who was presumably on-par with his trained Saiyan arc self, actually needed the Kaio-Ken to literally burst through him and win. Something tells me that Nappa won't be able to similarly overcome Misokatsun's defenses and is eventually defeated.
ShadowBardock89 wrote:Saiyan Saga Vegeta vs. Tullece (before he ate the first fruit in movie 3)
Piccolo's power level in Movie 3 was the exact same 18,000 as Vegeta's on Earth, and Tullece beat him without too much trouble. The only official number for Tullece is 19,000 which isn't all that much of a power advantage, and Vegeta's probably a lot tougher than Piccolo too. So I'm gonna say Tullece wins after a long and grueling battle.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:- Base Goku (BOG Arc,Post God) vs. Final Form Freeza (Post Training)
- Base Goten (Pre ROSAT) vs. Kibito
- SSj Gotenks (Post ROSAT) vs. Pure Boo
- SSj Gohan (Revival of 'F' Arc) vs. SSj2 Vegeta (Battle of Gods Arc,Note: Not the enraged one)
- Base Gotenks (Pre ROSAT) vs. Piccolo (Boo Saga)
- Tagoma (Post Training) vs. Dabra
- Shisami (DBS) vs. Monster Zarbon
- Ginyu Force vs. Yamcha (Cell Games)
- 1st Form Freeza (Namek) vs. Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho)
- Tenshinhan (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kikoho) vs. Kuririn (Revival of 'F' Arc,No Kienzan)
— The jury's still out for me on both Goku and Freeza's exact strengths in these states. Pass.
— Kibito is on-par with base Gohan, while Goten is a good chunk weaker and much younger and less experienced to boot. If Kibito can fight seriously, he wins.
— Gotenks gets his butt kicked. Going Super Saiyan 2 would put him on equal footing with Boo power-wise and give him a shot.
— The way I've got Gohan figured for now, his "base" form still contains a small but substantial percentage of his Ultimate power
(like a quarter of it or something), and with Super Saiyan he's able to force out more of it. That way his "base" form is well above Piccolo's power and on-par with Tagoma's as Super indicated. So I'm betting it's pretty far above SS2 pre-god Vegeta too. Gohan wins.
— Base Gotenks is all hype and showboating with no substance. Even after the RoSaT session, Piccolo shows him who's boss.
— I'm sure Piccolo has improved in the last 5 years since Boo, and I don't think someone on Dabra's level (below the Boo-arc SS1s) would be able to beat him QUITE as easily as Tagoma was. Tagoma is probably closer to full-power or "Super Perfect" Cell in my book, at least. He beats Dabra pretty handily as long as he doesn't slip up and get turned to stone or something.
— Don't know how much Shisami improved in Super, if at all. Inconclusive.
— I think Yamcha's power level probably capped off at around 50,000. So the best he could do is defeat Recoome, Butta,
OR Jheese one-on-one. If any two of them decide to team up against him, or if Captain Ginyu himself steps in, he's boned.
— Similarly, I think Ten's peak power level was somewhere around 100,000. Without any form of the Kikoho, he can't avoid getting wrecked by Freeza.
— Like it or not, Kuririn is still the strongest Earthling, and in power level terms I think he ended up close to 150,000. Tenshinhan can't overcome that without the Kikoho and gets soundly thrashed.
apex_pretador wrote:- Freeza & Cooler vs Imperfect cell (no absorptions allowed , pre absorptions)
- #13 , #14 & #15 vs #18 (no super 13)
- Broly (M8) vs Base Gotenks & Piccolo (fat buu arc both)
- Broly (M10) vs Majin vegeta & Tagoma
- Fat Janemba vs SS gotenks (pre)
- Hirdugarn (1st form) vs Super buu
- Super Hirdugarn vs Super buutenks
- Tullece (one fruit) vs Vegeta (post sleep)
- Slug (young) vs Piccolo (Nailed)
- Giant slug vs Vegeta (pre death)
- Salza (cooler movie) vs 3rd form Freeza
— Well we don't really know what Cell's power was like "pre-absorptions" since he'd already eaten a bunch of people when we first met him in Ginger Town. But if that's the Cell we're using, then he's already at least on the same level as the Android-arc Super Saiyans and too powerful for Freeza and Coola to overcome.
— It's hard to accurately gauge the Movie 7 Androids' strength, since Toei was so fond of the "pre-transformation warm-up" thing in that film. If they were up against both 17
and 18 then I'm sure they would be doomed, but against 18 alone they may have a small chance.
— Broli dominates. Piccolo doesn't measure up to a full-power Perfect Cell level of power, and base Gotenks' power compared to either of them isn't even worth mentioning.
— Tagoma alone might be able to bring Broli down, but adding Vegeta as backup makes it a sure thing.
— Gotenks gets thrashed. Fat Janemba's even stronger than Fat Boo, who I don't think SS Gotenks was a match for until after his RoSaT training.
— I think Hirudegarn's biggest advantages are his massive size and his intangibility trick, while his actual power level isn't as much as it seems. The force of his massive physical blows aren't going to matter much against a gummy-man who can regenerate. Boo is smart enough to
eventually figure out how to get around Hirudy's vanishing act, but probably doesn't have the power to destroy him during those short moments of vulnerability. So... I'd say the battle drags on for a while, until Boo manages to land a transformation beam and turn Hirudegarn into the universe's largest gingerbread cookie.
— THIS form of Boo, however, probably has the power to eliminate Hirudegarn the old-fashioned way.
— Goku (PL 30,000+) with the Kaio-Ken x10 (300,000+) was easily beaten down by Tullece, which I think puts him around as strong as 1st-form Freeza, if not stronger. Vegeta couldn't beat Freeza, and he can't beat Tullece here either.
— I think Slug is somewhere between 1st- and 2nd-form Freeza in power. Piccolo wins.
— That said, Giant Slug is somewhere a bit above 2nd-form Freeza's power. Vegeta is at least a little stronger than Freeza's 3rd form, and wins this fight without much trouble.
— Sauzer's power level is 170,000, which is probably less than a mere tenth of what 2nd-form Freeza is packing. Sauzer begs for mercy in every language he knows, but Freeza shows him none.
KentalSSJ6 wrote:SSJ4 Z Vegetto VS Beerus and/or Whis
SSJ4 GT Vegetto VS Beerus and /or Whis.
Z Vegetto wins by virtue of an overwhelming power advantage from Super Saiyan 4. GT Vegetto wins by virtue of being a GT character and thus automatically being stronger than every Z character for no clear reason.
Darkron2151 wrote:Base Gogeta (Buu Arc) runs a gauntlet. How far does he get?
Working backwards from where I think Gogeta's strength lies as a Super Saiyan... the strongest listed person he can defeat in base is full-power Perfect Cell, and it's a very tough fight
(4.8b vs 5b). He gives "Super Perfect" Cell a good fight, but just doesn't have enough power to win
(5b vs 7b).
AvatarReiko wrote:SSJ Goten & Trunks (Post) vs 18
A less-than-full-power blast from SS Trunks was enough to demonstrate that the boys were already much stronger than Eighteen. If both boys go all-out without the clunkiness of the Mighty Mask costume, then Eighteen gets easily beaten. Especially after they become somewhat stronger in the Room of Spirit and Time.
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Lord slug young vs Tullece with fruit.
Tullece puts up a good fight but ultimately loses. I think he's on-par with Freeza's 1st form, while Slug is somewhere between the 1st and 2nd.
ekrolo2 wrote:Time to stir up an old bees nest: Base Saiyans vs Piccolo, all from the Boo Saga. No fusions or transformations allowed, each Saiyan gets one round with Piccolo after which Piccolo eats a senzu to replenish his strength.
Forget taking turns. Piccolo demolishes all five of them at once, lets THEM eat the senzu, and then beats them again for kicks. Big Green is strong enough to be a contender at the Cell Games, while the Saiyans in base are all still comfortably below Freeza.
Hellspawn28 wrote:SSj GT Vegeta (Pre-Bebi saga) vs. Ledgic. Who wins?
GT's power-scaling is pretty wonky, but if Goku could beat Redgic then I'm sure Vegeta could too.
apex_pretador wrote:DR Wheelo vs piccolo (nappa battle)
7 cell Jrs vs broly M-8
Super bojack vs SS goku (buu arc)
3 bio-fighters (Movie - 2) vs Tenshinhan & kami(BoZ)
Tullece (1 fruit) & Vegeta (post sleep) vs 1st form freeza
Vegeta (post zarbon) , Monster zarbon , dodoria & saiyan saga goku VS Nail (no spirit bomb)
— Dr. Uiro was able to counter a Kaio-Ken-fueled Kamehameha from Goku, and still kept getting
stronger after that. He's at least as strong as Vegeta, and maybe even on-par with the Ginyu Force trio at his max. Piccolo doesn't stand a chance.
— This isn't much different from the heroes trying to collectively fight Broli in Movie 8. He stomps all of them.
— Bojack is about as strong as full-power Perfect Cell in my eyes, and Boo-arc Goku's not quite on that level yet.
— If Muten Roshi was able to put up such a good fight, then with Tenshinhan joining him they might be able to win. Gonna say it's 50/50. I dunno, just a guess.
— Tullece could probably already beat Freeza all by himself. Adding Vegeta as backup just essentially guarantees it.
— The team has a decent chance of winning but the odds are still somewhat against them.
Angelus wrote:Base Gohan (Start of Buu Arc, pre-25th WMAT) VS Base Vegeta (Cell Games)
Rusty skills or not, Gohan's got more than enough power to win. His base strength probably didn't change all that much, and it was likely about twice as strong as Vegeta's from the Cell Games. Even if Gohan's base power
had dipped in those 7 years, I doubt it went that low.